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Sustaining civic action: towards a global movement for respectful partnership and responsible exit - Shared screen with speaker view
Richard
01:32:23
Important to emphasise role of CSOs in noting and objecting to corruption
Andy Egan
01:33:48
Hi Cathal. Is the % of ODA going to CSOs in global South changing? Are there year on year figures? Are funds available via the Paris Climate Agreeement e.g. Green Climate Fund included in thes figures? Who is tracking this? Thanks, Andy, International Tree Foundation
CMoberly
01:35:00
The focus on service delivery is often a function that this is the only way to hold open some space in restrictive environments. Or is this just collusion!!
Sarah
01:35:15
which funders adapting ?
Rachel Smith-Phiri
01:35:17
post from arjun: CSOs as a vehicle for service delivery is quite a nice statement thanku
Esther Meester - Wilde Ganzen Foundation
01:35:54
Good to reflect on the role of iCSOs and the importance on channeling funds to grassroots organisations. At the same time, we feel it is crucial to stimulate local resource mobilize to strenghthen the sustainability & legitimacy of southern CSOs. Especially in the context of shrinking space.
k.reich
01:36:05
Cathal, thank you for the excellent presentation. As Civicus is tracking threats to civic space, have you started to track the prevalence of state actors using disinformation campaigns to attack CSOs?
CMoberly
01:36:14
OECD data does not give accurate picture because of the way it compiled. Does not track multi donor funds
Richard
01:36:30
from Richard - the more CSOs are funded internartionally, the less will be the trust and sense of ownership of them by local people.
Elias
01:36:47
Time is up for civil society to work on how to mobilize resources locally and implement projects that has locaaly available resources
Esther Meester - Wilde Ganzen Foundation
01:37:03
@Richard, agree.
Andy Egan
01:37:47
Thanks Cathal
Rosie Westerveld
01:38:29
Thanks Cathal, that was very interesting and raising loads of questions/comments. Hopefully there will be further opportunities to take this discussion further...
Koenraad
01:38:51
In the relief world, the Grand Bargain has as a target that 20% of globally available humanitarian funds should go 'as directly as possible' (the cop out clause) to 'national/local actors' - which includes governmental ones. From a current 0.2-0.5% (about 2013). The indications a year after the World Humanitarian Summit are not encouraging that it will happen.
Cheryl
01:41:00
This is definitely what I have experienced within Africa
Richard
01:41:22
from Richard - the second session is focussing on international grants - lets get beyond this.
asna
01:41:34
CSOs need to discuss alternative resource mobilization strategies to do away with donor funding. Encourage them to build relationships with private sector.
arjun
01:44:34
hi
Richard
01:44:59
Richard - add "shared risk" to principles
Rachel Smith-Phiri
01:45:31
Hi Arjun - you are now posting to the whole group
arjun
01:45:55
yeah Richel thanku
Richard
01:46:01
Please help me to post to the whole group - Richard
Rachel Smith-Phiri
01:46:23
Hi Richard, you are already posting to the whole group
Rachel Smith-Phiri
01:46:48
we can see your messages
arjun
01:46:50
hi richard just you close the webinar and try once again
Richard
01:46:56
THanks
Esther Meester - Wilde Ganzen Foundation
01:47:07
Highly agree on the importance of starting to focus on local private sector, Richard. At the same time, unrestricted funding can help CSOs to develop their organization and local support base and helps to diversify funding sources.
arjun
01:47:08
oh okay
Koenraad
01:51:27
A growing bone of contention and source of concerns for many southern NGOs is the growing fundraising of international NGOs among the new middle classes in aid-recipient countries. Sometimes by creating a 'national chapter' of their international federation/alliance.
Richard
01:51:45
effective governance does not emphasize gender equality as it stands - Richard
Brian Pratt
01:53:52
Surely the biggest challenge in areas such as human rights is to get support from the local middle clases in the global south rather than rely on external support. to do otherwise is to weaken the constituency in-country and strengthen local governments accusation that NGos are just driven by foreign interests and local grant eaters ....
Richard
01:54:24
Too right, Brian.
Sarah
01:54:32
was Canari in partnership with local CSOs.
Esther Meester - Wilde Ganzen Foundation
01:54:39
@Koenraad. Yes, our partners are highly critical on this as well. Good to reflect
Sarah
01:55:04
how long was it before you felt there was "trust" between all collaborators?
Esther Meester - Wilde Ganzen Foundation
01:55:28
sorry. Sorry good to reflect on what the (changing) role of iNGOs should be. Is this what we mean by localisation?!? (rethoric question)
arjun
01:55:35
CSOs and NGOs by nature are evolved to support the Government Organizations (GOs) but what special governing mechanism do one needs to have a good as well as leading governance body so that Government organization could replicate in the future and grow?
jennyhodgson
01:55:56
@koenraad - you refer to hugely important - and perhaps deeply uncomfortable - conversation that needs to happen around this. INGOs will always “win” the local fundraising race because they bring such well-resourced machinery to the game. It’s deeply problematic
Cheryl
01:56:04
Nicole, thank you for articulating the model of advocacy capacity building that I model. It is so wonderful to hear of your success
Elias
01:56:08
great presentation canari
asna
01:56:21
INGO should'nt impliment project/programe rather support local CSOs initiatives. Do away with call for proposals for project specific to programme/strategy suppport. Formulate joint learning objectives and reflect on those.
asna
01:57:05
Good presentation Canari
Koenraad
01:57:06
If anyone is interested in the -difficult- conversation about 'localisation' in the relief world, see our paper on this at www.gmentor.org / localisation on 'Understanding the Localisation Debate'.
Tracey
01:57:38
Great and clear presentation Nicole. I agree that southern CSOs should lead on partnerships and be clear about what they want. Would be good to see this as an element of capacity building for local CSOs
jennyhodgson
02:00:24
Thanks @nicole. The IIED report you mention is a really important one
Karin
02:00:58
do you have the title of the IIED report? I missed out on noting it down.
Rachel Hayman, INTRAC
02:01:40
we will share the link to the IIED report on the online Forum
Karin
02:01:50
thank you!
Nicole
02:02:09
IIED reports: https://www.iied.org/supporting-organisations-facing-disruptive-change
jennyhodgson
02:02:51
Disruptors were 1. donors 2. shrinking space…
Cheryl
02:03:02
The major challenge I find with some CSOs is a culture of corruption where some staff or board members use partnerships/funding grants to benefit personally. This creates difficulties in truly capaciting local agents and impeding progress. How do we deal with this type of challenge?
Richard
02:03:50
richard to everyone: this point oif Cheryl^s is very important. Do many face this problem?
Koenraad
02:04:21
That is correct. But there is also quite some corruption in the UN and INGOs, which simply is kept out of the media spotlight, and typically solved -discreetly- between the institutional donor and the local organisation. Corruption is indeed a challenge, but not just for NNGOs.
Nicole
02:04:24
CANARI has a Board Conflict of Interest Policy and we use it!
Tamim Amijee, Tanzania
02:04:31
Cheryl, Richard - privatise partnership
Cheryl
02:05:00
Yes, I have experienced it with INGOs as well, especially within the localized staff
Koenraad
02:05:09
There is also an interesting development among some Bangladeshi NGOs to come up with a. A Charter of Expectations from international agencies, but complemented by b. A Charter of Accountabilities, where they underscore their responsibility for good stewardship.
Tamim Amijee, Tanzania
02:05:15
Partnership does not necessarily have to be with local CSOs/NGOs, but private firms - specialising in development work - can do the job too
Esther Meester - Wilde Ganzen Foundation
02:05:21
Fundraising within the own community / ecosystem asks for credible and accountable organisations.
Tamim Amijee, Tanzania
02:06:25
Private development firms are more accountable and work to contract, as in any other work such as consultancy contracts
Cheryl
02:07:22
Agreed, that is why I became a consultant so I practice what Nicole spoke about
Tamim Amijee, Tanzania
02:07:28
There is definitely a wrong perception about local CSOs/NGOs that seems to presume that they provide some legitimacy to INGOs
asna
02:07:39
I agree with power inbalance as a challenge, who have money have power.
Nicole
02:08:22
@Jessie: Have you seen where CSOs get accused of becoming too "business like" as they get "better in the office". Do CSOs question credibility? Is there some unwritten perception that "real" southern CSOs are not good at management?
Tamim Amijee, Tanzania
02:09:20
I have known INGOs who when failing to find a reputable established local CSO/NGO, actually support any local CSO/NGO that appears legitimate, just in order to get the project underway
Koenraad
02:09:28
Or, vairation on Nicole's point, where INGOs seek to remodel the national one into a copy of themselves.
Tamim Amijee, Tanzania
02:10:34
It is these types of local CSOs/NGOs where issues with leadership, board, good governance become an issue - because few people see an opportunity and grab it and the INGO is desperate to find a ‘local’ CSO/NGO
Jenny Pearson
02:11:10
Totally agree about governance.
Tracey
02:12:42
Should INGOs be aiming to work themselves out of a job - i.e. local civil society takes over this role - or should they transform themselves into something different? Is it realistic to expect they will do either of these things?
Richard
02:12:44
Richard to everyone - need to be much clearer about what capacities a CSO needs before "buiolding capacity"-
Judith Greenwood
02:12:59
agree that technology is leveling the playing field, as it is helping to put accountability to communities on the agenda and not just to donor govt/organisaiton
Tracey
02:13:55
@Richard - agree. Lots of resources wasted on 'training' to make local CSOs look like INGOs - need to look at what they need to survive, thrive and be effective in their local context
Tamim Amijee, Tanzania
02:14:48
Tracey, what you say is exactly the ‘big’ problem - the fear of phasing out their own work, hence INGOs (more specifically, their staff) sustain the present way of doing things
Sarah
02:14:59
is there a contradiction emerging between the high value partnerships and sustainability or exit ?
Richard
02:15:22
Richard to everyone: yes, there is.
Jenny Pearson
02:15:34
On the current comments from Jessie - I don’t disagree with a lot of what she is saying but I think there is a real danger of mixing up the INGO - it’s policy, approaches, etc. and the behaviour of individuals who work in the local office. I have seen the great work of really ethical INGOs crumble away in an instant when there is a change of personnel. We have to face up to the fact that some expatriates don’t know wha they are doing, and don’t always behave well in their relationships with local people and organisations. Huge issue!
Andy Egan
02:17:15
I am keen to link with anyone engaged in capacity building activities with small rural grass-roots CBOs
arjun
02:17:39
the way the UN/USAID and other bilaterals donors have good governance and the control over the NGOs and CSOs, can't we have the same mechanism so that all of the donor NGOs make sure of their control for ultimate good governance for any of the awardees
richardsona
02:20:02
Andy Egan, All We Can works in that exact way, we work with small nascent organisations to build their capacity and support their strategies for long term change.
Brian Pratt
02:20:52
On Jesse's ideas for a changed role of INGOs, I thought that these were what I was doing in Oxfam some 30 years ago,, we acted as a donor to local CSOs/ NGOs, occasionaly helped them network or identify local capacity builders, we did not compete with or replace local agencies . So what changed such that INGOs became "actors in their own right ??
nomvula
02:21:07
To Andy: in one of our rural provinces in South Africa there is a strong CBO network/coalition - these organisations are supported by DDP one of the NGOs
Tamim Amijee, Tanzania
02:23:12
Brian, Oxfam’s partnership model is noble in thought, but did not always deliver to expectations precisely because selection of credible local CSOs/NGOs became a serious challenge
Brian Pratt
02:24:42
I realise that perhaps it was different in latin america where the identification of local groups was nevere a problem if you looked hard , starting sometimes with tiny amazonian groups which with support grew to be internationaly recognised leaders for indigenous rights .
Helen Mealins, INTRAC
02:30:29
I hope we can get back to Kathy's comment about building the ecosystem over the long term. All sectors and organisations are evolving over time, and perhaps the challenge is to look for the points of alignment in particular contexts, points in time, and capitalise on those.
Sarah
02:31:27
is the Build approach being used with USA NPOs as well ?
Cheryl
02:31:37
Helen, that is definitely the most effective message that we can deliver
Nicole
02:31:52
Very exciting leadership being shown by Ford
Nicole
02:32:18
@Cathy - how are other donors responding?
Tracey
02:32:21
Great to see funder working to influence other funders and start to look at the systemic issues that stop funding going to southern CSOS and indeed, reduce its effectiveness
CMoberly
02:33:49
INTRAC did a study of strategic funding which suggested that it was most usefully used for organisations on the verge of a step change in their operations.
nomvula
02:34:12
In South Africa FF has identified 3 sectoral streams, what happens if my organisation does not fall within these streams?
Esther Meester - Wilde Ganzen Foundation
02:34:18
Great to see this example of a grant facility putting the grantee in the driver's seat.
arjun
02:34:56
how an NGO from third world can get the fund from 501(C)3
Brenda Lipson
02:35:20
@Kathy - great to hear about BUILD. Much of your description reflects issues and ideas raised in conferences faciliated by INTRAC and others in the 2000's - good donor practice on capacity building. A question - is Ford investing in building a local CS support capacity too?
k.reich
02:36:39
Excellent questions all in the chat! I don't think I can answer them all here while also following the Q&A, but if it is ok with you I will cut and paste them into the online Forum and answer them there. Please look for answers later today.
Andy Egan
02:37:07
Can people introduce themselves briefly when they speak please?
Nicole
02:38:40
@Kathy - We have seen where core funding can create dependency. Does BUILD have a mechanism in place for beneficiary CSOs to put sustainable funancing schemes in place so that at the end of 5 years there is a smooth exit/ transition?
Brenda Lipson
02:39:17
@Kathy - thank you for your answer
Tracey
02:39:35
no fine thanks
Richard
02:40:35
How do i raise a question?
Nicole
02:42:15
yes I can
Richard
02:45:51
Richard to everyone: have you seen an old Pact book called "Exit Strategies"?
Nicole
02:46:15
Thanks @Kathy - love Ford's commitment to a long-term relationship and flexibility within this to learn what works :)
Andy Egan
02:48:23
At ITF we have been looking to facilitate peer to peer capacity building of smaller grass-roots CBOs through the setting up of in-country (community forestry) peer-to-peer networks and are seeking to identify other funders and partners who share a similar approach to join us. This does appear to be a gap at present.
Jenny Pearson
02:50:25
Yes please
Rosie Westerveld
02:50:42
@ Richard - you an find the book you mention “Exit strategies” here: http://www.richardholloway.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Exit-Strategies.pdf
arjun
02:52:54
thanku richard for sharing exit strategies
Nicole
02:53:21
CANARI policy brief on how southern CSOs can be great intermediaries delivering small and micro grants to national and local CSOs: http://www.canari.org/wpdm-package/pb23-effective-grant-making-to-csos.
Nicole
02:54:43
Great point by Jesse! How can we shift from committed individuals to building organisational cultures and systems for positive partnerships?
Tamim Amijee, Tanzania
02:57:48
Nicole, the question you pose is I believe the greatest challenge in the south in building long-term sustainable CSOs/NGOs and even public bodies.
CMoberly
02:58:18
One challenge with in country philanthropy and domestic resourc mobilisation is that it tends not to want to fund more challenging end of the cs work e.g. advocacy and challenging power holders
Jenny Pearson
02:58:20
I think the reality of middle class fundraising needs to go under the examination of a very intense political economy/social context analysis.
Elias
02:58:25
can i cheap in
CMoberly
02:58:54
Maybe it is about diversifying sources of funding not removing outside funding
ek441
02:59:15
My own research findings reflect the point raised by Richard. Domestic resources in the short-term is not a sustainable source of funding for CSOs
nomvula
02:59:36
very good point Elias
Tamim Amijee, Tanzania
02:59:36
Local fundraising is possible and to some extent practised. Just that it has been too easy so far to get funding from abroad
Brian Pratt
02:59:54
many of the restrictions by governments tend to be on the human rights end of the spectrum , som it means that local middle class funding isnt just a option but esssential if HR is to survive in many countries
nomvula
03:00:06
Hi Anabel ... greetings from Cape Town
ek441
03:00:41
I think we tend to over emphasis the role of domestic resources as something which is a sustainable mechanism for funding CSOs but such assumptions are problematic especially in contexts where enabling environment is absent
CCOM
03:01:04
fully agreed with Brian about funding
Tamim Amijee, Tanzania
03:01:42
ek441 - I am not too sure. Issues with funding also happen in the West and some NGOs have folded due to lack of funding
CCOM
03:02:53
in Laos, funding for CSOs become pressing issues due to more severe ristriction policy from the Gol
Esther Meester - Wilde Ganzen Foundation
03:03:23
Yes. Very crucial in the context of shrinking space (although challenging in some contexts to raise for HR issues indeed). Looking forward to further discuss the topic of domestic resource mobilisation in the online debate and share experiences.
Rosie Westerveld
03:03:41
I am interested by the funders’ values and ethics and strategies to align funders’ rationale and support with local constraints - the role in awareness raising from CSOs towards private funders!
Tamim Amijee, Tanzania
03:03:45
It also depends on what the activity is - political CSOs tend to suffer the most when a govt is not happy
Anne-Marie Heemskerk
03:04:12
Partos will have a workshop on new effective partnerships at the ICSW on the 5th of December. Please join us!
Sarah
03:04:13
jsut tried the link given by CANARI about funding CSOs - can Nicole check it again please
nomvula
03:04:25
i agree with Tamim - organisations doing social justice advocacy work struggle for funding
k.reich
03:05:01
Thank you all!
Brian Pratt
03:05:02
it is precisekly because it is diffiecult to raise funds locally for justic organisations that the future must include local groups and constituerncy