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emilywilliams
11:05
Emily here from LevelK đź‘‹ ^_^
Ryan Noble
11:16
For those joining after, just keep your mics muted during the presentations and feel free to chat on hereRyan from Protea btw! :D
Simon de la Rouviere
12:39
Please mute if you aren’t presenting. :)
Simon de la Rouviere
24:26
oh that’s nice. proper milestones vs arbitrary “vesting dates”.
Spencer Graham
25:36
is the price for each token he sells p(m)?
Ryan Noble
26:12
The farther the milestone from the initial the lower the potential impact on collateral from the initial owner exiting, nice security there
luke
28:06
P3D model works nicely because it incentivizes holders of last resort and discourages front-running. However, PoWH3D serves as a base layer for bonding curves to be built on.
emilywilliams
28:06
A date could be better because it gives people a specified time to see whether progress is being made on their “investment”. Could be easier to scam with a value milestone than a time period? But the impact argument is solid too -—^
Simon de la Rouviere
28:50
Thanks guys!
Arthur Röing Baer
28:58
Thank you guys!
paul@linumlabs.com
28:59
Great work guys! Thanks
Billy Rennekamp
30:02
the pre-mint doesn't really pose a security risk. bancor formula uses phantom tokens for calculating prices. these could be allocated without risk of draining collateral pool. (same as slava's spec)
Ryan Noble
32:03
In theory you could allow for only a certain percentage of the tokens to be available to sell at a given milestone, instead of all of the tokens
Simon de la Rouviere
33:17
awesome! :)
Larry
36:56
thanks guys
Matt Lockyer
37:03
what happens if trigger points are not reached? doesn’t this ultimately hamper liquidity in favour of protection against excessive speculation? a bonding curve trade off comparison would be nice, this may include dilemmas or trilemmas. Great work thanks guys!
Simon de la Rouviere
43:06
that’s awesome!
ainsley (enigma)
48:09
;)
ainsley (enigma)
49:09
Seems also like question applies to “improvable” / editable posts
ainsley (enigma)
49:29
cool
Simon de la Rouviere
50:13
oh wow
Kostas -
50:15
interesting
Spencer Graham
50:21
that is fascinating
Simon de la Rouviere
50:21
ww3 through FOAM
trentonvanepps
50:47
proxy wars through mapping
ainsley (enigma)
51:02
Ryan can you share one of those contested points? I’d like to see how they label nationality
ryan@foam.space
51:14
yeah ill look now
Spencer Graham
53:14
its really hard to align short-term reward incentives with long-term value incentive. if somebody figures that out it'd be super important
Kostas -
54:16
^ Also, could you elaborate on some of the Nudge techniques you are looking to incorporate? Interested in how you see soft challenges effectively altering metadata
ainsley (enigma)
54:33
No worries! thanks
Kostas -
55:18
đź‘Ť
trentonvanepps
56:57
OSM has no incentives but people still participate as hobbyists
trentonvanepps
57:12
*no monetary incentives
ainsley (enigma)
57:29
I would take foam branded socks
trentonvanepps
57:33
Same!
Devon Krantz
57:35
same
paul@linumlabs.com
57:35
I would love some FOAm socks
Larry
57:41
that's awesome
ryan@foam.space
57:50
Ahh yeah need to get Gnosis like ones
Ryan Noble
57:51
#socksMaximalisim
emilywilliams
58:10
I wear my gnosis socks very often :)
trentonvanepps
58:18
who was the last caller / what projecvt?
Simon de la Rouviere
58:27
Thanks Ryan!!
paul@linumlabs.com
58:31
https://convergent.cx/
ryan@foam.space
58:34
https://blog.foam.space/foam-map-overview-of-the-tcr-design-and-incentives-3a26603d3bab
ryan@foam.space
58:45
Our thinking against direct rewards for participation
ainsley (enigma)
58:53
Thanks Ryan!
trentonvanepps
58:55
sorry i meant who asked the question to ryan about incentives
trentonvanepps
59:08
Moshe?
luke
59:22
Push back
Simon de la Rouviere
59:27
Push back yes++
j
59:27
hahahaha
Kostas -
59:30
heh
paul@linumlabs.com
59:32
Push back
James Todaro MD
59:33
Yes, Moshe and myself
luke
59:47
Yes
j
59:49
Where should I find them
mikerah
59:50
yes
achill
01:01:21
+1 for slava
James Todaro MD
01:01:28
My concern is that an incentive scheme that is based largely on altruistic behavior isn’t a full incentive scheme
Kostas -
01:01:48
^
j
01:02:27
Hmmm, internal vs external motivators
trentonvanepps
01:02:51
intrinsic vs extrinsic!
j
01:03:21
Sure, just trying to avoid jargon
Kostas -
01:03:40
Altruistic behavior seems to dominate short-term with the users having an immediate connection with the project
trentonvanepps
01:03:51
personal economeme ;)
James Todaro MD
01:04:31
For sure, like with Bitcoin, miners were motivated for the success of the network early on and probably acting altruistically. Today, there is no way the community would rely on altruistic miners.
j
01:05:08
I believe Status is using no incentive to rank apps
j
01:05:16
Because it incentives gaming
Kostas -
01:05:18
yes, that’s one of the primary problems with drawing conclusions/modeling off of the short-term results
James Todaro MD
01:05:49
We actually just released a blog post on a TCR designed specifically for objective content where all parties are incentivized and requires no altruistic behavior.
James Todaro MD
01:06:05
https://medium.com/medxprotocol/a-tcr-protocol-design-for-objective-content-6abb04aac027
trentonvanepps
01:06:07
link if you have it
trentonvanepps
01:06:10
oops
j
01:07:08
Hmm, now you mention it there’s probably something between intrinsic motivation and objective TCR’s and extrinsic motivation for subjective TCR’s…
achill
01:07:13
https://medium.com/convergentcx/the-convergent-billboard-6594b933648e
Simon de la Rouviere
01:07:20
Thanks!
ainsley (enigma)
01:07:21
I have to go. Thanks everyone this was a great workshop!
Devon Krantz
01:07:43
Thanks for joining!
James Todaro MD
01:07:50
Thanks for hosting!
Simon de la Rouviere
01:07:59
Great!
mikerah
01:08:02
Thanks for holding these calls. I really enjoy the format.
Simon de la Rouviere
01:08:02
Thanks
Kostas -
01:08:08
great discussions, thanks for hosting!