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Evolution of Governance Model Webinar - Shared screen with speaker view
Eleeza Agopian
01:29:29
Hello. My name is Eleeza Agopian and I will be monitoring this chat room. Please note that chat sessions are being archived and follow the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior: http://www.icann.org/en/news/infocus/accountability/expected-standardsWhen submitting a question that you want to ask, please provide your name and affiliation if you are representing one, start your sentence with <QUESTION> and end it <QUESTION>. When submitting a comment you want me to read out loud, please provide your name and affiliation, if you have one, and start your sentence with <COMMENT> and end it with <COMMENT>. Text outside these quotes will be considered as part of the “chat” and will not be read out loud. Alternatively, you can raise your hand in the Zoom room and enable your audio to provide your input.As a reminder, this webinar is being recorded and the recording will be posted to this page: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance-plan-improve-multistakeholder-model-2019-04-08-en,
Eleeza Agopian
01:30:35
Hello. My name is Eleeza Agopian and I will be monitoring this chat room. Please note that chat sessions are being archived and follow the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior: http://www.icann.org/en/news/infocus/accountability/expected-standardsWhen submitting a question that you want to ask, please provide your name and affiliation if you are representing one, start your sentence with <QUESTION> and end it <QUESTION>. When submitting a comment you want me to read out loud, please provide your name and affiliation, if you have one, and start your sentence with <COMMENT> and end it with <COMMENT>. Text outside these quotes will be considered as part of the “chat” and will not be read out loud. Alternatively, you can raise your hand in the Zoom room and enable your audio to provide your input.As a reminder, this webinar is being recorded and the recording will be posted to this page: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance-plan-improve-multistakeholder-model-2019-04-08-en,
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:37:49
I'm not able to see who else is on this call. Is this a problem my end?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:38:16
No Donna it is the way this webinar is set up
Annaliese Williams
01:38:20
I also can't see, Donna
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:38:56
Well, I now know there are three Australians on the call.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:39:05
:-)
herb.waye
01:39:10
and one Canadian
Annaliese Williams
01:39:15
Nice to be here during daylight hours :)
avri doria
01:40:07
sound like a bunch of vampires
Yvette Guigneaux
01:40:16
Hi All - we apologize, in a webinar format we have here the attendees are not able to see the participants list - there are about 26 of you on the call, so you’re not alone - we’re in search of a workaround for this - again apologies
pamlittle
01:40:41
+1 Annaliese
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:41:38
Very true observation DOnna
Yvette Guigneaux
01:42:23
Tom Dale - hand up in the cue next
Yvette Guigneaux
01:42:42
Pam Little - following Tom
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:42:49
Four Australians!
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:43:05
Five, this is awesome.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:43:05
its an AU take over ;-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:44:46
Umm the implementation is with the Board but the Report went through in a recent Board Meeting in terms of releveance as the CHair of that group way back then it is still relevant @Pam
Yvette Guigneaux
01:46:34
Donna Austin - hand up next
Yvette Guigneaux
01:46:57
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - after Donna
pamlittle
01:48:59
Thanks, Cheryl. I am happy to be corrected but I still think 10 years is far too long for that exercise. Look at how much has changed in the last 10 years.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:49:22
No argument from me on that @Pam
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:50:14
of course the Policy Exercise did NOT take that time either a LOT of time with the Board on that one
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:54:30
Scoping is another Critical control point IMO
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:54:31
a review of the call for public comments is illustrative in terms of the work that is going on at any one point in time.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:55:05
and yet they just keep äppearing"and not only out of formal PDP processes either @DOnna
Donna Austin, Neustar
01:55:57
Agree on scoping Cheryl, we seem to be keen on boiling the ocean on every single issue.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:56:15
yup >>> *SIGH*
Tom Dale
01:56:19
The “shiny new thing” point from Donna can be characterised as the Toy Story syndrome
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:56:48
I already spoke on these at the last webinar
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:57:08
sitting on my hands now (or trying to)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:57:27
and the CCWG as well Yes @Donna
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
01:58:45
However even ccNSO has representativemess managed but it is not built as Equal (the equal of course is often only the seats not the expertise and or actual contributions possible or made)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:00:54
and that also links to how consensus os developend as well Donna if groups fear being 'outvoted'or 'outweighed' that pushes for the seats at the table balance in my view...where effectiveness of voice is important as well
Donna Austin, Neustar
02:04:28
That's a really valid point Cheryl, and something that is topical at the moment with the CCT RT recommendations.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:04:45
yup
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:05:12
ALL COsts Yes @Pam I was not restricting that to ICANN Budget
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:05:43
dare I say end users and consumers have costs as well
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:05:52
as as you say the volunteers
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:06:39
there IS a body of work on "costs"re volunteers @Pam often an unrecognised costs in many processes
Eleeza Agopian
02:06:54
Hi Mark — thanks for your comment. It was only posted to the panelists. Would you like to post it to the attendees?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:06:55
the flip side of 'valuing volunteers'
Donna Austin, Neustar
02:06:56
Its a good point raised by Pam--the community cost of time and resources is not captured or factored into efforts.
pamlittle
02:10:01
Volunteer burnout vs Fear of missing out?
Donna Austin, Neustar
02:10:04
Sebastien is correct. We have hundreds if not thousands of volunteers in the community, but the usual suspects doing the work.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:10:25
Avri and I do that and we are far from burnt out SeB but it goes to volunteers have known and bound expectations put upon them and met
avri doria
02:10:35
interesting notion: burnout as FOMO
Tom Dale
02:10:38
Re timing of decision-making: If an issue takes a very long time to reach concrete outcomes, maybe it wasn’t (objectively) all that important in the first place?
Chokri Ben Romdhane
02:10:38
Totally agree with Sébastien same people are doing a lot of things
Mark Datysgeld
02:11:33
In one of ICANN's presentations they characterized it as "Core Volunteers" of 300 people vs. Broad Community 1600 people. Why are we not reaching those other 1300?
Donna Austin, Neustar
02:11:34
Agree with Tom. How important is the topic in the first place.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:12:26
I have yet to be involved in an activity where new people are not encouraged or welcomed even in the more restricted ccNSO PDP process we had new people as Members and they obviously required more support of some sort to effectivly engage... Hopefully much ICANN has been done recently might change that
Donna Austin, Neustar
02:12:40
I disagree on recruitment--I think we are bringing a lot of people in, but we're not doing a good job of keeping people involved and engaged.
Tom Dale
02:12:45
Re complexity: If everyone (not just experienced data hunters) could find things on the ICANN website…
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:12:50
and don't forget the value of giving peer support to other volunteers
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:13:16
last time I checked we old hands are (or should be) well equipped to do that.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:13:59
Indeed Donna there is another critical control point somewhere in there
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:16:05
Sitting on my hands again (trying to ;-)
Donna Austin, Neustar
02:16:32
On 14, 15 and 16: we need to use the face-to-face time at ICANN meetings to break down some of these issues. We tried through the meeting strategy working group to provide more opportunity for cross commnity engagement but we've largely failed. We need to get more from the 16 days we have face-to-face each year.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:16:52
Makes perfect sense to me @DOnna
Annaliese Williams
02:18:10
Agree Donna - better use of meeting time so that groups can engage and actually work through some issues (rather than just via a PDP) would go a long way, I think
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:19:05
Some aspects of that might change @Tom once implementation of recommendations out of WS2 Accountability CCWG perhaps
Tom Dale
02:20:47
I actually think ICANN meetings make more progress than the remote inter-sessional processes simply because it is easier to empathise face to face with a bit of time and humour. But things can revert to entrenched positions over a phone/zoom call.
Chokri Ben Romdhane
02:23:11
Thank you all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:23:58
Yes there is a point where experience also counts
Annaliese Williams
02:24:18
@tom -I agree, but I also think that more time to discuss an issue face to face is necessary e.g. the gac and the gnso meet for about an hour each meeting - I think more time actually working through issues would be useful, better understading of each others concerns early in the discussion of an issue would go a long way
Donna Austin, Neustar
02:24:48
On the consensus issue, I don't recall the slide, I don't think consensus is workable or we need to find a formula that's acceptable.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:24:52
back to making optimal use of the F2F time @Annaliese
Donna Austin, Neustar
02:26:47
To Jim's point about meaningful participation: it's very hard to commit to an effort that doesn't have a drop dead timeframe. As an effort starts to go past the deadline folks start to drop off.
Tom Dale
02:28:00
There are deadlines and deadlines. The ones for the EPDP could be seen as dysfunctional. The ones for IANA transition seemed to work.
avri doria
02:28:16
I have very much appreciated sitting in on both of these webinars. A lot of really good points made.
Chokri Ben Romdhane
02:29:20
Could you put link in the chat?
Donna Austin, Neustar
02:29:35
@Tom, didn't the IANA transition deadline slip by 12 months?
Eleeza Agopian
02:29:45
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance-plan-improve-multistakeholder-model-2019-04-08-en
herb.waye
02:29:49
very interesting session, thank you
Cheryl Langdon-Orr
02:29:51
Thanks again for a *very* useful Webinar @Brian... Bye for now...
Eleeza Agopian
02:29:55
This is the link to the page with the slide deck and relevant materials.
Tom Dale
02:30:01
Thanks