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Connecting the Dots: History of Policing with Andrea Ritchie - Shared screen with speaker view
Dan Lythcott-Haims
24:10
Yes, both!
Daniel Portis-Cathers
25:32
So much more power with DA’s than I ever knew
Clarissa Rogers
25:56
Another great resource for that kind of learning is Kristin William’s Our Enemies in Blue
Promise Partner
26:36
Police roots in militias who served as slave catchers
Monique Hosein
26:42
Before reading The New Jim Crow, I assumed that middle class Black people were as aware of police corruption as poor Black people. I also assumed that corruption was something isolated to problem departments LA, Chicago, New Orleans, and not endemic
Dan Lythcott-Haims
26:51
I grew up (white, Jewish) believing that the PURPOSE of the police was stop protect everybody. Now I know that it was designed for something else entirely, and that explains the systemic inequities.
Noah Thompson
26:59
I was aware that mass incarceration was a huge social problem, but didn't know how heavily funded or how lucrative of a "business" it was. (I've seen 13th, haven't read New Jim Crow yet)
Joy McConnell
27:35
Before seeing “13” twice, I had not remember the exclusion clause. I now understand how Jim Crow laws allowed for policing anyone on almost any pretext.
Shawn Fischer
27:40
I knew i didn't like the police for a myriad of reasons, but i had no idea exactly how prison and policing are such direct extensions and continuations of the slave state. .
Carla F Wallace
27:42
Understand more deeply how many layers to it all, and how critical it will be to build broadly to challenge.
Julia Roberts
27:47
I learned just how pervasive injustice is, at all levels of the system
Soo Hyun Han-Harris
28:00
I have not read or seen either, but coming from a working class immigrant family that has experienced police violence, the writing is on the wall!
kate gilbert
28:50
Now see more clearly that historically and now policing is state/ government sanctioned enforced.
Jonathan Horton
30:34
I hadn’t understood the extent to which communities of color are over-policed in comparison to white communities.
Promise Partner
31:07
Technical question: Andrea, can you use video so we can see you?
Meredith on Tech
31:26
Andrea's camera is not working.
Monique Hosein
31:31
Was the plantation justice derived by the Barbados Slave Code
Robyn Isaacs
31:57
is Andrea's voice coming in and out for everyone?
Monique Hosein
32:11
OK I see that this is different. Got it.
Jonathan Horton
33:54
@Robyn I’m getting audio pops and stutters too. Also, hi!
kaitlynreinan
34:32
I’m not having any audio issues.
Daniel Portis-Cathers
34:47
be sure you’re not too close to the mic
Soo Hyun Han-Harris
35:23
Is this webinar being recorded so that others can view it?
Anne, SURJ-Faith (she/her/hers)
35:30
Yes it is.
Carla F Wallace
36:07
Yes. This is being recorded, and will be available.
Nichola Torbett
41:34
Makes me think about how as neighborhoods in Oakland gentrify, the newer residents have called police to report choir practices in Black churches that are too loud, disruptive. SMH
Dana Bowden
41:34
During this time, how was crime by whites handled? Was there any system of investigation or law enforcement?
Katie Wang
42:07
Reminds me of policing at schools, how in some schools with a lot of police and surveillance and with more students of color - students aren’t allowed to leave classrooms without passes, couldn’t go to bathrooms without passes, and students could be arrested for being late for school, not being in school (I’ve heard of this happening in Los Angeles a lot)
Shawn Fischer
42:31
Resistance!
Monique Hosein
42:32
Dissertation intro re-write needed. Thank you. Totally fell for the Sir Robert Peel story as the whole story.
Jennifer Raviv
42:35
surveillance of Black neighborhoods by police cameras and patrols
Anne, SURJ-Faith (she/her/hers)
43:24
We'll send out a resource list with lots of this history with the recording
Jennifer Raviv
46:51
thank you
Noah Thompson
47:48
Angela Davis also has a chapter in her book Are Prisons Obsolete that talks about the gendered nature of incarceration!
Monique Hosein
49:43
Curren prison labour!
Monique Hosein
51:13
Playing golf too slow
Monique Hosein
51:29
Being on the wine train
Jennifer Raviv
52:12
maybe even moreso
Anne Jones
53:54
Self-imprisonment: Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl, in her attic, in men's clothing. More empowering than imrisonment by the system . . . . .
Joy McConnell
55:45
I recently read McGuire book which I found heartbreaking and horrific. We lived in total innocence during the civil rights movement. We knew none of this.
Anne, SURJ-Faith (she/her/hers)
57:09
brb
Kris Long
57:49
Routing interstates through low-income and African American neighborhoods?
Joy McConnell
58:47
“We” being well-meaning white women.
Anne, SURJ-Faith (she/her/hers)
01:02:39
Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz :-)
Monique Hosein
01:03:39
Laws throughout the centuries re “cross dressing” etc and raiding of gay bars in the modern era and current profiling of (especially Black) trans women as sex workers
Monique Hosein
01:03:54
Much of this in your book.
Jennifer Raviv
01:04:16
tormentors of ??
Jennifer Raviv
01:04:19
formenters
Anne, SURJ-Faith (she/her/hers)
01:04:29
fomentors of disturbance
Jennifer Raviv
01:04:47
ty
Anne Jones
01:05:07
foment
Jennifer Raviv
01:05:35
ty
Anne, SURJ-Faith (she/her/hers)
01:06:10
YES. Thank you!
Monique Hosein
01:06:24
‘Kill the “savage”…’ here in California where the state was involved in genocide of indigenous peoples
Jennifer Raviv
01:07:44
wow
Anne Jones
01:08:05
Cf. "civilize" and "Christianize"
Cj Meushaw
01:09:40
I understood that she was hit in the head by an auger weight but I wouldn’t be surprised if the information in the state / federal funded museum to here here on the Eastern shore may not be completely acurrate
Jim Best
01:13:41
(advance the slides?)
Cj Meushaw
01:15:18
no
Jim Best
01:15:19
good!
Noah Thompson
01:15:28
nope, i see a group of border agents
Monique Hosein
01:15:30
still on border patrol
Jim Best
01:15:39
same with me BP
Karen Blumenfeld
01:15:51
I’m seeing border patrol too
Jennifer Raviv
01:15:56
see book now
Karen Blumenfeld
01:16:02
Got it now
Monique Hosein
01:17:12
OK that’s too easy
Kris Long
01:17:53
So in a way this is all about supporting aggressive capitalism and the preservation of a wealthy aristocracy.
Jennifer Raviv
01:19:09
all tied to christian hegemony as well
Anne, SURJ-Faith (she/her/hers)
01:19:15
Yes.
Monique Hosein
01:20:48
Criminalization of homelessness
Lena Rothman
01:21:21
“ugly laws”?
Carla F Wallace
01:21:51
Continued criminalization of so called ‘vagrancy’, loitering, begging, homelessness.
Monique Hosein
01:21:53
Hold on - still on conquistadores
Marty Jaye
01:21:59
Slides stuck on riot photo
Jennifer Raviv
01:22:00
which book speaks on this?
Lena Rothman
01:22:27
white women that dressed as men were beaten and raped.Lets not cover that over please
amoriya amoriya
01:23:25
can you read the subtitle of Arresting Dress?
amoriya amoriya
01:23:38
and author
Lena Rothman
01:23:42
true
Monique Hosein
01:24:44
Not quite yet
kaitlynreinan
01:24:51
Still on Arresting Dress
Meredith on Tech
01:29:05
ok I think we're caught up.
Anne Jones
01:32:46
I recall that, in the American South of the 50s+, white men of power and privilege crossdressed, displaying, e.g., large breasts, in public performances to much applause. Now it feels like blackface,
Jessica Friedman
01:35:08
can save this question for the end if time: am thinking about the criminalization of parenthood and child protective services - any resources to read more about this?
dayna rozental
01:35:52
we're only getting audio
Meredith on Tech
01:36:11
yes, we know. we appreciate your patience.
Anne, SURJ-Faith (she/her/hers)
01:36:24
Thanks so much for your patience everyone!
Andrea Ritchie
01:36:51
We can send video link out after too!
Monique Hosein
01:39:13
It was based on one small study on car theft. The Atlantic article introduced the broken windows as “concept” — nothing but a convenient metaphor (about broken windows on building) run amuck
Monique Hosein
01:39:38
Completely evidence-free
Monique Hosein
01:40:55
Offer meals to people experiencing homelessness
Virginia Vogts
01:42:53
Will the recording include the slides?
Monique Hosein
01:43:41
Courts ignore statistics or any evidence of systemic or structural oppression - they are only interested in one bad actor who is explicitly racially abusive. BTW Molly Crabapple also has a feature on War on Drugs and militarization, narrated by JayZ
Monique Hosein
01:46:55
Patienty listening and enriched! Thank you!
Lena Rothman
01:47:17
what are the alternatives to the police in domestic violence situations? I was hoping to hear more about that rather than the history which we’ve been learning about.But,what alternatives?
Monique Hosein
01:48:06
Black women experiencing violence when asking about their rights in traffic stops e.g. Sandra Bland
Noah Thompson
01:48:22
Re: sex work: some folks, especially black transfem folks, have been arrested because they had condoms in their possession - they used this as evidence of intent to participate in sex work
KA Cameron
01:48:36
yep
Shawn Fischer
01:50:15
coffee with cops
Monique Hosein
01:50:48
Training in police legitimacy
Anne, SURJ-Faith (she/her/hers)
01:51:22
This is on our resource list! Really great resource.
Kris Long
01:51:51
Do you have any knowledge of how our policing is similar or not to Western Europe, in particular England? Just wondering how closely they track despite not having slavery on their home territory.
Jennifer Raviv
01:52:28
@ Kris - critical resistance has a substantial historical timeline of policing that is connected to some European “policing"
Monique Hosein
01:53:18
Also there was no nieghborhood watch in that neighbourhood
Kris Long
01:53:40
Thanks - I was just thinking that policing in Europe was connected to sustaining the white aristocracy and money, and to their innate racism.
Jennifer Raviv
01:53:40
is it ok to say here that cop watching / monitoring police behavior is the main thing we need community policing for at this point
Stephanie Ballard
01:54:26
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Anne, SURJ-Faith (she/her/hers)
01:56:25
1st Scenario: Break-ins in your neighborhood.2nd Scenario: you witness domestic violence3rd Scenario: impending sexual assaulthow do you respond without involving police
Anne, SURJ-Faith (she/her/hers)
01:56:39
we'll send the link to the resource list out wtih the call recording.
Anne, SURJ-Faith (she/her/hers)
01:57:36
and also that list is here (I'm about to add a bunch of stuff that Andrea spoke about):https://drive.google.com/open?id=15Kwfd0JDSOh32t8d_4HKdWmvnu9Psy2FqyoJ978z50I
Stephanie Ballard
01:57:41
In the case of DV and SA, get a group to surround the victim, protecting them and signaling to the perpetrator that it’s not ok.
Monique Hosein
01:58:02
Nieghbourhood meetings and restorative justice practices as well as economic development and addressing poverty and homelessness - sorry to be so broad.
Lena Rothman
01:58:10
possibility-community coffee claches with women neighbors protecting one another in groups? women neighbors in my old neighborhood apartment building usually intervened together.Usually drove off abuser-but if drunk and already physically violent-too scary and dangerous
Katie Wang
01:58:11
3rd scenario: I often imagine myself approaching the person who is drunk and ask if they are ok? I’m often scared to do this, but if I was with more people, maybe it would be less scary!
Stephanie Ballard
01:59:18
Hold men (vast majority of perpetrators) accountable for reining in their violent friends.
Katie Wang
01:59:22
2nd scenario: Hopefully when talking to the person who was hitting the other person, asking them about what happened, say that I was worried, ask if the other person is ok?
Anne Jones
01:59:41
1st scenario: Wow, what a great opportunity to build a neighborhood. All three suggestions for ways to approach the problem should be implemented, eventually. For me, one important thing is PROCESS. How to go about it all?
Susie McClannahan
01:59:53
For DV/SA, meet separately with each person to discuss what's been happening and how it relates to patterns within the relationship. Have a discussion with the person primarily experiencing violence about what they want and how they want their partner held accountable.
Monique Hosein
01:59:56
Real training - from Critical Resistance for community members
Jennifer Raviv
01:59:57
police culture teaches us NOT to talk to one another but to fear each other
Noah Thompson
02:00:42
with the break-ins: try to assess what your community is missing in terms of resources. is there nowhere to get free food? clothing? medication? maybe assess what's been taken during the break-ins and try to fill gaps in community resources.with both of the latter two, gather a group as quickly as you can to handle the situation in the immediate present, and afterward see if both parties need medical or psychological help - including the perpetrator, because they may need tools to better themselves as a person and stop doing whatever it is that theyre doing
Anne, SURJ-Faith (she/her/hers)
02:01:05
Know your neighbors!
Anne, SURJ-Faith (she/her/hers)
02:02:26
Z! Given the time I think I'm going to do quick "surj is owrking on this everywhere" and then do the fundraising pitch. sound ok?
Anne, SURJ-Faith (she/her/hers)
02:03:26
great. also everyone can see this apparently, ha!
Monique Hosein
02:05:57
Another student researcher told me that SWAT teams are now deployed for CPS related calls
Z! Haukeness
02:10:07
You can buy Andrea’s great book here: http://invisiblenomorebook.com
Monique Hosein
02:10:27
If you will please pardon my informal language — all the snaps to you and SURJ for this highly illuminating webinar
Z! Haukeness
02:10:35
Another call coming up: SURJ Network call on Organizing Against PolicingTuesday February 5th 8 PM ET / 7 CT / 6 MT / 5 PTThis is a call for folks within the SURJ network who are doing work around policing or wanting to get started in this work.Register here:https://zoom.us/meeting/register/fe75b45e6204c6634ac87b605f06faf5
Lena Rothman
02:12:07
glad you brought up social services and sw
Karen Blumenfeld
02:12:30
Brilliant lecture. Thank you!!
Joanna Kane
02:12:41
I second what Karen said! Thank you so much!!
dayna rozental
02:12:52
thanks for everything!
Lena Rothman
02:12:53
Thank y’all
Noah Thompson
02:13:35
thank you so much, this was so informative and helpful!! (im doing my undergrad thesis on incarcerated trans sex workers, so the sources on the history of policing of trans folks and sex workers was super helpful!)
Stephanie Ballard
02:13:42
Looking forward to the next one!
Anne Jones
02:14:10
Will we get a copy of the Chat? I tried to copy and paste it but failed :-(.
Anne, SURJ-Faith (she/her/hers)
02:14:50
https://secure.actblue.com/donate/m4bl-surj
Shawn Fischer
02:15:52
thank you!
kaitlynreinan
02:16:20
Thank you!
Monique Hosein
02:16:30
One love!
Holly Bise
02:16:33
Thank you!
Z! Haukeness
02:16:39
two other future callsFeb 26th call on Anti-Semitism with JFREJ 8 ETMarch 13th Call on Racial Capitalism with Robin DG Kelley 8 ET
Caitln Sullivan
02:16:40
Thank you!!
Kelly McCall
02:16:41
thank you
Noah Thompson
02:16:43
Z! Haukeness
02:16:43
Thanks so much!!!
Anne Jones
02:16:48
Thank you so much and good night!
Z! Haukeness
02:16:48
So great!!
Jim Best
02:16:50
Good night to you and thanks so much to all who put it on!