Fannie's July Learning Cafe Zoom Meeting - Shared screen with speaker view
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It was very powerful!
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How easy it is to give in to hatred
I thought it was a powerful message!!!
It was amazing how quickly the children bought into the sterotypes.
I think the fact that their opinions of themselves changed right away
The way it affected their learning
Children looked at the teacher as an authoritive figure and concluded Jane's thought was true.
It was surprising that once they were told they were superior or inferior how their behavior changed.
how easy it was for this teacher to get her point across
I was shocking how quickly they turned on eachother.
One of my staff actully participated in this experiment 6th grade - siad it was a very powerful lesson.
I've used this video in my classes for years. The first time I was concerned about the responses I'd received but each and every time there was an ah-ha moment. It's very powerful and I've actually found videos of Jane Elloit doing this same exercise in prisons. Extremely moving.
i was more intrigued by the Oprah video clip because of the age of the audience
It was eye opening to see how easily swayed we are as a human race (both children and adults), how messaging is so powerful, the extreme power of those who control the messaging.
It was very eye opening to see how much it impacted their accademic performance.
I actually use Jane Elliot's experiement in conjunction with theClark Doll experiment.
It shows us how much impact and influence we have on those around us, and how we treat others. We have a lot of power to change the community we live in.
It was amazing how the children's confidence in themselves was diminished when they were in the non-dominate group. Says a lot about how successful or unsuccessful kids can be based on how they are treated.
Conditioning people is much easier in a controlled environment.
Great point Fannie
The children who were the target of the hatred believed the lie that they were inferior, that they are the problem, that they are less worthy. This is called internalized oppression.
It shows how we need to be building and encouraging self esteem in the classroom.
So many people feel badly about themselves that it becomes easy to be influenced to treat others badly. Much of this comes from how we are taught to look at ourselves.
After I showed this video in one of my classes one of my students shared that as a black person his mom prepared him from a young age that he will have to learn to accept that he will be judged and not traeted fairly based on his skin color.
I will make sure my children see this tonight!
I have seen the the real life effect of how discrimination affects black people and what it does to my 4 black children (now grown) self esteem and how they perceive the world and their place in the world. Try as they may, they still can't get those collars off.
our country needs this now more than EVER!!!
No question. It should be a requirement.
It's worth noting that this exercise did lead to a confrontation (violence?) amongst some of the children and YES
I am curious to see the long term affects on what the experiment had on the children.
That's an excellent book. Better than the movie.
I look forward to continually being an agent for change for social equality
One of the biggest takeaways could be how fragile self-esteem can be, and I think of bullying, too, especially in schools and on social meida
If you treat someone with dignity, even if they have made bad choices, it is amazing how it helps them to begin making positive choices
I also foud it interesting that the teacher mentioned American Indians often and now a days they are rarely mentioned.
i think this training should be mandatory as sexual conduct trainings
I think that the main reason tat I use these videos in my class is because I see the prejudism.
The behaviors happpen all the time. We have to confront negative behaviors and educate for change.
work at not falling in to the trap of the negative attitude. Find a way to say something postive or they give a differt way to look at things..
I use my white priveldge to asdvocate for my children abd I try to educatw people who do not understand
I like that the parents were actually there to see the experiment. I think that teaching children about racism is important but having the parents engaged will have a greater impact on the children learning.
Sometimes when someone is in an authoritative position they are more unaware of their behavior and actions, and how it truly affects others.
The adults are harder to teach! The children behave what they see and learn how to behave based on the adults around them
if you teach the children they will teach the parents
I think this opens up awareness of not only racial prejudice but biases against many other groups; gender, abilities, etc.
just like the no smoking
One of the best ways of helping children and adults to change negative attitudes is to help them build their own self-esteem. It always comes down how we feel about ourselves. Unfortuantely we are taught from a young age that happiness comes from the external, and not from within ourselves.
in the workplace, i think the dynamic is different, it's really sensitive because youre livlihood could be at stake, or your job may be threatened if your seen as not conforming or challenging the current system (power structure)
if you choose to speak up at work you are often seen as rebellious
if you confront someone on the treatment not being across the board
Yes Fannie...at work you can simply just focus on the work and put your emotions/perceptions aside
there are still power dynamics that exist
but not everyone can do that
I too was taken back by the difference in the adult's action- righteous indignation as opposed the children's reactions- more like the light bulb going on. I supposed because the children have not experienced as many interactions.
I would love to do this in person.
they have no filter
Unfortunately fear is powerful, and paralyzes, and most people are afraid to rock the boat, and that is what negative people count on.
I would also like to continue exploring these issues
It's difficult to change negative people... you can only change the way you react to them. Sometimes that is easier said than done. Especially in the work place
Rocking the boat is important because that is how we begin to change our perspective, pain is great motivator
Sometimes a conversation is necessary and can make a change / better understanding. Keep the environment postive!
I don't think such a place exists. And rocking the boat can be a good thing.
Those people live in a dream world. It is difficult, but it is learning how to communicate. It is not WHAT is said, it is HOW it said.
Thanks Fanny! This was fantastic!
Thank you Fannie!