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JEA-USCJ Webinar: Taking the Leap - The Shabbat School Alternative - Shared screen with speaker view
Tova Schreiber
34:16
I'm having trouble hearing. Can you remind everyone to mute themselves again?
Steve Kerbel
35:52
Steve Kerbel, shkerbel@gmail.com, JEA, www.jewisheducators.org
Ayelet
38:54
Kids who don't come from a Jewish background are exposed to Jewish community
RSafman
38:54
It encourages those family members not takingpart in the school to be present at services
Penina Alexander
39:02
I think people often feel like they need to choose one day to come to shul: Shabbat or Sunday
Lisa Stein
39:09
We ask them to come on Shabbat anyway. Maybe having them come more often would be more productive
gfass
39:20
Please mute- EVERYONE bc the screen switches when there is noise at a computer, etc..
cantorbatsarah
39:40
most of the unmuted people are on their phones and can't see this chat
Tova Schreiber
39:41
One challenge: It might be seen as "working" on Shabat. People may see Shabat as a day off and not want to work then.
cantorbatsarah
39:58
ALSO - sometimes the Cantor/Director is in services.
rnelson
40:03
Hard to get teachers who are not shomer shabbat
gfass
40:28
another challenge- finding a space for families outside of main sanctuary.
Ayelet
40:46
Another benefit is the kids get to learn prayers and services through hearing and experiencing them rather than having to sit and learn them without any kavanah or context
rnelson
40:47
also incorporating day school students
Linda Zimmerman
40:52
Hard for Rabbi to participate in school programming
CSilver
40:55
How do we mute out line?
Tova Schreiber
41:01
Another challenge: Shabat school might take away from the down time/spiritual rest of staff and administration
CSilver
41:31
We require our kids on Shabbat already. Most skip because they have to be here the next mornig.
janis
42:22
I run a Shabbat program, too. I find that it plays hell with my personal Shabbat practice.
CSilver
42:45
HOw much leway does a community have l'shem chinuch when it comes to the melachot?
janis
42:51
BUT...I find the educational benefits outweigh that consideration for me.
Ayelet
43:52
on shabbat, we also don't have to deal with kids on their phones. it makes a big difference.
Penina Alexander
44:25
I think it's actually a challenge with Day School families
rnelson
45:51
I agree with Day School dilemna - meant it as a potential problem
Steve Kerbel
45:54
People who have dialed in can't see the chat box, so as an accommodation to them I will keep reading as many as I can for Sue.
cantorbatsarah
47:08
Kids on their phones?? I have to deal with that on Shabbat... my whole 7th grade comes every Shabbat, and they manage not to be on their phones in the sanctuary.
RFoonberg
48:07
Phones are no longer allowed in our school, no matter what day of the week it is. Parents have thanked me.
Linda Zimmerman
48:14
Can sue put her powerpoint on full screen. That will help with the space used by the videos.
Rabbi Suzanne Brody
48:15
l'shem chinuch doesn't trump the laws of Shabbat...
rnelson
48:57
Day Schoolers are probably not on the same level as our congregational school students. So what you plan for your congregational school might not be relevant or interesting to the Day schoolers.
Miriam Lichtenfeld
49:19
I also believe that being creative in what we can and can’t do because of the laws of Shabbat is educational in and of itself.
Rabbi Suzanne Brody
49:24
but any halakhic decision should be made by the mara d'atra for your community (most lkely the senior rabbi)
Tova Schreiber
50:04
My understanding of the driving-on-Shabat ruling was that it was just for going to Shul. Could it be extrapolated to include Shabat school? I am not against the idea. I think it's very interesting...but don't know how to make it workable.
Miriam Lichtenfeld
50:52
That is correct, but if they are observing Shabbat and doing some prayer, isn’t that in line with the intention of the Yeshiva?
Miriam Lichtenfeld
52:38
I meant teshuva (stupid auto-correct)
CSilver
54:56
When we think about "Shabbat School", we are using language in a limiting manner. If we think about having a day of community building, celebrating Torah, and studying holy texts, etc. then we are moving in the right direction. Maybe we need a different term than "Shabbat School" - Torah School? Kehilah Kedosha?
Tova Schreiber
55:27
Kehilah Kedoshah is an amazing name for a Shabat school :)
cantorbatsarah
55:53
It's what my Mormon neighbors do... spend all day "doing" the Sabbath.
Ayelet
56:41
It's definitely important to seperate the idea of school from shabbat communityy learning
Ayelet
58:22
What people said above here
Ayelet
58:27
about calling it something else
Ayelet
58:36
and looking at it through a different framework
Ayelet
58:48
right, exactly
Ayelet
58:49
yes.
rschatz
59:31
Our Religious School is called "Kesher" and so our once a month Shabbat program is called "Kesher Shabbat" using the play on words for connection to our larger Shabbat community with the religious school community (happy to elaborate for those who are interested)
rnelson
59:45
I am planning a shabbat school (do it twice a year) with a station based program - one of which is Tefillah- so the grades will go together through the stations - did something similar on the HHDs. It allows it not to be a "school" based program
Miriam Lichtenfeld
01:01:11
Has anyone done this in a joint religious school between 2 or more synagogues?
Sarah-Rachel
01:02:00
Our program is is called JoLT...Jewish Learning Together.
Julie Schwarzwald
01:02:12
I have a monthly Shabbat School. Since several teachers won't come, and because it is Shabbat, it needs to be a different piece of curriculum. We focus on middot through a Mussar lens, plus youth services.
Tova Schreiber
01:02:21
Miriam, I direct a joint religious school (Conservative and Reform). I don't know what a Shabat school program would look like, since we utilize two buildings and two synagogues.
ngorod
01:02:25
Another question: does anybody present a choice for families to chose between a Sunday or a Shabbat for the entire school year?
cantorbatsarah
01:02:49
And Salt Lake City is dual-affiliated!!
Ayelet
01:03:19
The program for our younger students (through age 8/9) is on Tuesdays and then they move up to our Shabbat program
Ayelet
01:03:48
But we also have a junior congregation for our Tuesday program on shabbat, which is twice a week.
rnelson
01:03:53
thinking about that option
Ayelet
01:03:56
So it's not an option, but it's a combined / moving up program.
doriceh
01:04:05
We have a small school and we do the first shabbat of the month followed by the rest of the sundays. The question is: should we move it completley to saturdays? or is a mix a good compormise?
Ayelet
01:04:09
**twice a month
Ayelet
01:04:40
I think a mix can make sense if htey are learning about different kinds of Jewish practice
Tova Schreiber
01:04:54
I like the idea of "trying out" Shabat school by only doing it sometimes (once a month, maybe?), and seeing if it succeeds, before making an actual transition from Sunday to Shabat.
Marc Israel
01:05:34
Adath Israel in Lower Merion does have a choice - 2/3 do Sunday;1/3 on Shabbat. contact Na’ama Yarden
rschatz
01:06:43
Josh, is there a way you could send us a breakdown of these schedules so we could see them after the call?
Miriam Lichtenfeld
01:06:51
How big is your school?
Penina Alexander
01:06:54
Yes, I'd like to see that too.
Rabbi Suzanne Brody
01:07:00
What about those who celebrate Bar/Bat Mitzvah in 6th grade?
Marc Israel
01:09:33
120
CSilver
01:09:40
I am considering rolling this out for a "trial" period in 5779 for the first 6-8 weeks. This will help with the HiHo scheduling issues and show folks how great this can be. Thoughts?
doriceh
01:09:57
can you ellaborate more on the dance/shira from a conservative prespective? how do you do it?
Mindy Gold
01:10:14
What are some examples of the Shabbat appropriate art?
susiet
01:10:25
and pls. elaborate about the art projects
Lisa Stein
01:11:14
Do these students come on another day during the week as well?
doriceh
01:11:55
Thank you Josh!
CSilver
01:12:20
Say again who comes mid week = 2 - 6?
doriceh
01:13:01
Do you have famililes that resisst coming on shabbat because of sports....
doriceh
01:13:17
and how do you handle it?
janis
01:13:44
We certainly have that problem with our sports loving families. We tell the kids to come in cleats if they have to and come whenever the game is over or leave for it.
Ayelet
01:14:24
Some of mine just miss when they have sports. debate / etc
Ayelet
01:14:29
But they are overall committed
Ayelet
01:14:34
and they learn about making choices
Ayelet
01:14:37
and trying to do both
rnelson
01:14:46
That's a problem no matter what the day is.
Ayelet
01:15:25
But the kids who miss class, sometimes they will come to services even when there is no class
Ayelet
01:15:33
Because they are used to being there
cantorbatsarah
01:15:45
In Salt Lake, everyone wants to ski on Sunday because the Mormons are not on the slopes on their Sabbath, so it's not so crowded. They would love me to move Religious School.
rnelson
01:16:03
You have a unique situation.
Ayelet
01:16:06
Haha that's great!
doriceh
01:16:12
then you should do it!!
Linda Zimmerman
01:16:18
What percentage of your parents stay for the main service versus drop off and go shoppipng.
Ayelet
01:16:31
I think one of the challenges of the Shabbat program is that it can be self selecting
Ayelet
01:16:35
Almost all my parents stay for services
Tova Schreiber
01:17:21
CantorBatSarah, by moving school to Shabat you will also help cement Shabat as a "Jewish" day and showcase Jewish identity (as it contrasts with Mormons, maybe :) )
Ayelet
01:17:50
Does anyone have shabbat programming post bar/bat mitzvah?
Julie Schwarzwald
01:18:41
My parents very quickly figured out that they could drop off and not stay. Still working on how to convince them that Shabbat services have value.
doriceh
01:19:06
Thank you Rabbi Josh! I would love to see your breakout of the grades and themes. Todah!
Josh Foster
01:19:32
Happy to share with Sue and Ed who can distribute it
rnelson
01:19:39
Thank you Rabbi Josh - looking forward to getting more materials - as much as you can share!
Linda Zimmerman
01:19:47
Julie, I am worried about that and the message it sends to the children about how their parents feel about Shabbat
Cantor Alexis K. Sklar
01:20:51
That is a problem that we have - all the parents drop and go on Shabbat...
Ayelet
01:22:01
if you can't get them to stay, maybe match the kids int he shabbat program with the elder members. have them do some kind of project together. So they have a model for adults staying, have an older member that they feel close to, something like that
Ayelet
01:22:05
That's something we are working on
Tova Schreiber
01:23:07
Maybe the students could use "Sidra Scenes" as a course at Shabat school...reenacting the parashah as a way to learn about it
rnelson
01:24:09
Grades 3 and up - younger mostly don't have the reading skills - but they can improv
Cantor Alexis K. Sklar
01:25:51
I am curious how other Shabbat Schools structure the Tefilla/service component
Cantor Alexis K. Sklar
01:26:21
especially with the youngest kids who don't know what is going on yet
rnelson
01:26:42
Shabbat buddies? Older and younger paired together?
Julie Schwarzwald
01:26:54
First hour on middah, second hour in fairly traditional youth services - preK through 3rd grade (open to everyone, not just school students) and 4th-7th grades
Julie Schwarzwald
01:27:37
"Fairly traditional" meaning ruach-filled, upbeat tunes, led by students as possible - but more or less basic jun cong
Josh Foster
01:27:59
once every 6 weeks or so we pair our older student "buddies" with younger students to read a Shabbat story or work on an activity together
Julie Schwarzwald
01:28:16
Followed by going into main sanctuary for adon olam and maybe a song we learned - and yes, major kvelling to see 50 kids on the bimah
Penina Alexander
01:29:45
My mic isn't working but Rabbi Rebecca Rosenthal ran a camp style multi grade Shabbat program at IKAR in LA. It is also a smaller community that built up Shabbat attendance, among other things, through the program. It also made Shabbat its own thing, not totally tied to the weekday program. She would have a lot of advice and recommendations.
rschatz
01:33:06
We are thinking of moving to a full Shabbat model (instead of our Sunday morning program) and so this year we began with once a month Kesher Shabbat, easing our families into this type of programming, showing our teachers that they have the creativity and ability to do this successfully and to have our shabbat community along with our parents feel the importantance and excitement around what a Shabbat program brings to everyone
janis
01:34:22
Thank you!!
gfass
01:34:28
Thank you Susan and Ed!
Mindy Gold
01:34:30
Thank you!
cantorbatsarah
01:34:33
Will you email the Powerpoint to all of us? It will help me to understand my scribbled notes.
Sheryl Eskowitz
01:34:40
Thank you!!
Miriam Lichtenfeld
01:34:40
Thank you!
Josh Foster
01:34:42
Thank you!
rnelson
01:34:47
Thank you for organizing this - very helpful
Tova Schreiber
01:34:49
Thank you! This was terrific.
ngorod
01:34:53
THANK YOU!!!
RFoonberg
01:35:17
Thank you!
Miriam Lichtenfeld
01:35:24
Can you also send us the chat?
noreenleibson
01:35:27
Thank you. I hope you will share the power points.
Ayelet
01:35:31
Thank you!
rschatz
01:35:34
I think for those of us excited to try and move to this model something that would be most useful is activities or curriculum that people have used for shabbat-friendly learning
CSilver
01:35:49
How about a couple of focused calls - one on how to unroll, one on Kosher ideas, one on Tots to teens?
ngorod
01:35:58
I am interested in the process of changing over - the challenges, the steps, the message, communication, buy-in, etc.
rnelson
01:36:38
Interested in hearing more from Ayelet how her "moving up" program works
janis
01:36:40
And you!
doriceh
01:36:40
Thank you!
Betty Golub
01:36:43
Thank you. I would like to continue the conversation. We had initial success the first year, but not so much the second year. This year we are trying Kabbalat Shabbat School
Tova Schreiber
01:36:44
Chag sameach and Shabat Shalom!
Ayelet
01:37:12
When we first started our hebrew school programming it was with a Shabbat program