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WJ RUMs Townhall - Shared screen with speaker view
Marie Kuch Stanovsky
02:10:45
Western Jurisdiction Workgroups: https://dscumc.org/moving-to-something-new/
Izzy Alvaran
02:11:58
Bishop Karen has joined us and will speak after Marie
Marie Kuch Stanovsky
02:12:56
Liberation-focused Wesleyan church documents: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qo6lu1qsjo5kgwt/AADyUEsJUcoejU6W6XldI4ZUa?dl=0
Frank Bailey
02:16:37
How can the WCA claim to be Methodist can not use the Weslian Quadrilateral (using only Scripture and not Experience, Tradition, and Reason.
Mariah Hayden
02:17:24
I love it -- 54 people all muting at once...or not ;)
Joel Bullock Dayspring UMC, Tempe AZ
02:17:33
YAYS!
Izzy Alvaran
02:31:00
Please start typing up your questions here for all the other speakers
Frank Bailey
02:31:47
How can the WCA claim to be Methodist can not use the Weslian Quadrilateral (using only Scripture and not Experience, Tradition, and Reason)?
Mariah Hayden
02:33:55
I'd like to know what qualifications were under consideration for choosing these groups.
Mariah Hayden
02:34:05
How is diversity being considered.
Joel Bullock Dayspring UMC, Tempe AZ
02:34:35
Excited about the UM Forward to hear voices that are marginalized to inform and shape our future as a new church. Concerned about the UM Next not hearing the marginalized voice. What is the possibility of the Western Jurisdiction of moving forward and separating into a new expression with legislation for this annual conferences.?
Cedrick Bridgeforth
02:35:09
Response to Mariah’s question: The UM-Forward event and movement is open and everyone self-selected to come to be apart of this effort. NO selection process except those that folks made to be here or not
Mariah Hayden
02:36:27
I think 'self-selection' is part of our problem. The privilege that comes with main stream voices includes economic privilege, etc. Who's not at the table? They're not coming to the table just because they're invited.
Frank Bailey
02:37:12
Is Bishop Karen going to be removed? She was elected prior to the General Conference.
Randall Miller
02:38:32
No but she wiill undoubtedly be brought up on charges.
Izzy Alvaran
02:40:15
Raise your hands if you want to speak so we can have a stack of people who want to speak or ask a question.
Joel Bullock Dayspring UMC, Tempe AZ
02:41:48
YEs
Joel Bullock Dayspring UMC, Tempe AZ
02:42:03
So thankful for our laity!
Epworth - Berkeley
02:43:52
/what is best way or possible ways for lay people to have conversations with the bishops? Or our bishop? And second question is how will info get back to local churches after the UMC Forward and UMC Next meetings?
Carrie Portis
02:44:23
While I realize this is a question for further in the future, is there anything we can be thinking about now to secure our local church assets (building, funds ….) if our church leaves the United Methodist Church?
Izzy Alvaran
02:44:45
I get this question a lot: when is the hard stop for progressives in engaging the general church and just plan on forming a new denomination? 2020? 2024? Before the year is over?
Joel Bullock Dayspring UMC, Tempe AZ
02:45:34
thank you Izzy! This is what my congregations is asking. They are done with the establishment and are ready to start something new.
Mariah Hayden
02:45:45
I appreciate this distinction. We're lumping centrists and progressives and that's a stretch some times.
Epworth - Berkeley
02:46:03
How do we continue the work of GBGM. UMCOR, and other amazing global mission work in "a new expression of Methodism"?
Izzy Alvaran
02:46:28
The labels centrist and progressive can be really a binary way of labeling people and groups…
Joel Bullock Dayspring UMC, Tempe AZ
02:48:47
What about the Western Jurisdiction Conference to elect Bishops in 2020? Will we still have 5 Bishops?
Sharon
02:49:49
To Epworth---There may be alternatives to our general boards and agencies that are more suited to the 21st century---eliminating the high cost of staff and buildings to a great degree. Imagine a Church that is run through Advances.
Marie Kuch Stanovsky
02:53:00
looking into disaffiliation can be a great way to show your bishop you are serious about progressive movement!
Jessie
02:54:16
Don't the churches also have to pay 12 months prior and 12 months forward in their apportionments to be able to disaffilate? And according to the GCFA document, church conferences or annual conferences could vote NO to allow a church to disaffiliate, correct??
Mariah Hayden
02:55:27
I want to really evangelize this -- affiliate with WJ. Blow conference lines out of the water.
Marie Kuch Stanovsky
02:56:10
https://bit.ly/2VRNiZ6
Mariah Hayden
03:00:31
Marie posted a link for Baltimore...
Epworth Berkeley
03:03:47
Nominate yourself to serve on conference boards and agencies
Janet Gollery McKeithen
03:06:19
WEre those petitions ruled constitutional by the
Joel Bullock Dayspring UMC, Tempe AZ
03:06:22
Praying for a spirit of urgency across the connection. The harm must stop. My daughters don’t want to be part of the UMC because of our current church law.
Janet Gollery McKeithen
03:06:35
I agree Joel
Mariah Hayden
03:06:55
Yes Joel...my kids are confirmation age. Not going to UMC confirmation... So very sad.
Brenda Wills
03:06:56
high bar for south east who have not been paying apportionments...in the west most of us have paid apportion ments in the past year.
Ben Roe
03:07:14
Here is a link to tons of info about the post-GC movement: http://jbenjaminroe.com/jbr/gc-2019
Deborah Maria -- Oregon
03:08:04
Thank you again, Izzy and Randall, for leading this discussion and to each who briefed us on initiatives -- and Bishop Karen.
Mariah Hayden
03:08:58
Bedtime here in East.
Joel Bullock Dayspring UMC, Tempe AZ
03:09:15
Thank you all! Appreciate you all. Stay healthy. Praying for God’s Spirit to move among us in a miraculous way.
Marie Kuch Stanovsky
03:09:38
Thank you so much for your leadership Izzy and Randall
Mariah Hayden
03:09:48
Thanks all!
Deborah Maria -- Oregon
03:10:11
Amen........and God Bless!
Brenda Wills
03:10:11
remind us ofd FBB live
Janet Gollery McKeithen
03:10:14
Thanks all!
Carrie Portis
03:10:15
Thanks for all your doing! It is a tremendous service. And I’m sure a lot of time and energy drain for you.