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Pride Month & Queer Theory - Shared screen with speaker view
Susan McKinney
05:30
I am connected but I have no camera or mic so just watching and listening. :)
James Alexander
08:03
This is Jim (James on the screen). I have no video/mic today. I will just be listening in. Thank you all for making this happen.
Alexis Waggoner
08:46
Hi everyone - thanks for being here! I manually muted everyone to keep things relatively under control :D
James Alexander
08:50
I am in Arizona
James Alexander
09:02
110 degreet today.....
Susan McKinney
09:03
Oxford, WI
Melodie Selby
09:48
Walla Walla, WA but I don't have a camera.
Ralph Henn
10:06
Says I can't unmute myself because host has muted me. Minneapolis.
June Blau
10:18
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada, hi Everyone!
Alexis Waggoner
10:19
Yes, I muted everyone :D
River Willaredt
17:18
Hi sorry I’m late
Jordan Miller
22:14
Freudian slip...
Jordan Miller
23:06
19th century Germany
Melodie Selby
48:51
I was interested in the description of the clobber texts. Do you have ideas on what to help my college students say when they are getting hit with the clobber texts by parents or friends?
Jo .
50:46
Thank you for your presentations! Brandy mentioned Lev 20:13 as a clobber passage. What was the original meaning of this passage? How is it redemptive in Ancient Near Easter culture? The penalty is death, which seems like the writers perceived it was very wrong. What was ethically wrong with what the verse is mentioning?
Brandy Daniels
50:53
Melodie, I can definitely send you some resources! There’s a lot of good stuff out there!
Nathaniel Mahlberg
52:15
Question from Terry: How does queer theory and queer reading of biblical texts contribute to the greater conversation of sexual ethics?
Jo .
52:17
Romans 1 is the hardest passage for me to understand. Can you help me understand how to interpret what Paul is trying to say here? The word "unnatural" that Paul uses trips me up the most.
Whitney Bauman
52:57
Fish out of Water is a great documentary; maybe a little dated now, but still good and goes through all the passages brining in scholars and religious leaders to comment…..
Whitney Bauman
54:08
It works well with my students at least....
Brandy Daniels
55:01
Yes! Also, For the Bible Tells Me So is another good (also dated) documentary that addresses Bible stuff a bit, though less so than Fish Out of Water
Melodie Selby
55:25
Thanks, everyone!
Alexis Waggoner
55:27
https://www.westarinstitute.org/store/family-empires-roman-christian/
Perry Kea
55:43
Walter Wink was one of Westar's scholars until his death.
Leora Stutes
55:50
As an almmost 94 year old trying to be an Ally, the scholarly approach of the university setting, the vocabulary and quotes seems like a discussion apart from the man/woman on the street. It seems as if I need to begtin a deep study of the subject in order to understand what the speakers are getting at.
Leora Stutes
56:26
By the way, I have been interested in Westar for at least 20 years.
Melodie Selby
57:43
Yeah, Leora, I don't teach this in class. I'm an engineering teacher. But I am a sponsor of an unofficial support group for kids who are struggling.
Elli Elliott
58:16
Thanks, Alexis. The comments on the whole context of relationships is important and complex. For example, sexual morality as a "hierarch of penetration" rather than the moral criteria that are disputed currently affects how we read early Christian texts. The issues were not about gender or even age but about being in the appropriate position that corresponds to one's position in the social hierarchy. "Natural" means something different in this context.
Perry Kea
58:36
Paul also thought that a man's hair was short by nature--see 1 Cor. 11:14
Brian Wyatt
59:31
The language of 'natural' and 'unnatural' raises the question, too, of what is 'natural' for a particular person. For someone who identifies as LGBTQ+, heterosexuality is not 'natural' (Maybe this approach doesn't honor the intent of Paul's writing in Romans 1, but as a pastor, I've found this a helpful approach to this particular text for church members who struggle with this).
Perry Kea
01:00:31
Resources for Christian communities who are trying to support LGBTQ persons are important. Some of these have been mentioned. But would be good to post them after the webinar.
Linda Maloney
01:01:52
I am lead author on the commentary on Acts for the Wisdom series (Liturgical Press). One of my contributing authors is Sean Burke, author of “Queering the Ethiopian Eunuch,” and he’ll be writing on that passage. Instructed by him, I am noting places where the author of Acts “queers” some characters in subtle ways that would have spoken to listeners of his time. For example: Jesus is described as suffering “pangs” on the cross; the word is the same one used for women’s pangs in childbirth. Likewise, Acts is the only biblical book that refers to Paul as “Saul,” and “Saul” could be used slangily in Greek for a man who is, let us say, “swish.”
Elli Elliott
01:01:55
Yes about the "queer" Jesus. Check out the work of Ally Kateusz. She has a lot of images of transgender Jesus's .
Linda Maloney
01:02:13
Thanks, Elli!
Jordan Miller
01:02:14
And don’t forget Marcella Althaus-Reid
Elli Elliott
01:02:37
Thanks, Linda, for the comments on Acts!
Perry Kea
01:03:46
When we think about the passage in Romans 1 and other NT passages, we need to take into account the practice of pederasty in the Greco-Roman world.
Brandy Daniels
01:03:56
Hey y’all, I have to leave right at 7pm, but if I can be of help in any way/offer further resources, my email is brandydaniels@gmail.com
Alexis Waggoner
01:04:10
https://www.westarinstitute.org/westar-on-the-issues/
Alexis Waggoner
01:04:16
https://www.westarinstitute.org/resources/organizations-and-resources/
Linda Maloney
01:05:46
For Romans 1 there’s nothing better than Bernadette Brooten’s “Love Between Women.”
Kimal James
01:06:44
Have you seen this article? It seems very helpful. https://www.forgeonline.org/blog/2019/3/8/what-about-romans-124-27
River Willaredt
01:07:03
sorry why are they called ‘clobber’ passages?
Melodie Selby
01:07:24
Because they are used to clobber people over the head.
Elli Elliott
01:08:07
Thank you, Brandy, Jordan, Whitney, and Alexis!
Jo .
01:08:29
Thank you for the resources - very helpful!
Melodie Selby
01:09:13
Thank you for this!
River Willaredt
01:09:22
ok cool thanks. sorry I’m jewish and so don’t actually encounter religious based anti lgbtqai+ and am here more to understand it’s existence in christianity
Nathaniel Mahlberg
01:09:42
Thank you
Whitney Bauman
01:09:45
thanks for listening everyone!
Jordan Miller
01:09:54
Thanks!
River Willaredt
01:09:58
thank you!
Eric Hendry
01:10:01
Great discussion folks!
Brian Wyatt
01:10:01
Thank you to everyone. Jordan - looking forward to hosting your JSOR in September. Thanks!
Barry Holtslander
01:10:03
Thank you for this. Looking forward to the rest of Pride month
Perry Kea
01:10:11
Thanks!