Pride Month & Queer Theory - Shared screen with speaker view
I am connected but I have no camera or mic so just watching and listening. :)
This is Jim (James on the screen). I have no video/mic today. I will just be listening in. Thank you all for making this happen.
Hi everyone - thanks for being here! I manually muted everyone to keep things relatively under control :D
I am in Arizona
110 degreet today.....
Walla Walla, WA but I don't have a camera.
Says I can't unmute myself because host has muted me. Minneapolis.
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada, hi Everyone!
Yes, I muted everyone :D
Hi sorry I’m late
19th century Germany
I was interested in the description of the clobber texts. Do you have ideas on what to help my college students say when they are getting hit with the clobber texts by parents or friends?
Thank you for your presentations! Brandy mentioned Lev 20:13 as a clobber passage. What was the original meaning of this passage? How is it redemptive in Ancient Near Easter culture? The penalty is death, which seems like the writers perceived it was very wrong. What was ethically wrong with what the verse is mentioning?
Melodie, I can definitely send you some resources! There’s a lot of good stuff out there!
Question from Terry: How does queer theory and queer reading of biblical texts contribute to the greater conversation of sexual ethics?
Romans 1 is the hardest passage for me to understand. Can you help me understand how to interpret what Paul is trying to say here? The word "unnatural" that Paul uses trips me up the most.
Fish out of Water is a great documentary; maybe a little dated now, but still good and goes through all the passages brining in scholars and religious leaders to comment…..
It works well with my students at least....
Yes! Also, For the Bible Tells Me So is another good (also dated) documentary that addresses Bible stuff a bit, though less so than Fish Out of Water
Walter Wink was one of Westar's scholars until his death.
As an almmost 94 year old trying to be an Ally, the scholarly approach of the university setting, the vocabulary and quotes seems like a discussion apart from the man/woman on the street. It seems as if I need to begtin a deep study of the subject in order to understand what the speakers are getting at.
By the way, I have been interested in Westar for at least 20 years.
Yeah, Leora, I don't teach this in class. I'm an engineering teacher. But I am a sponsor of an unofficial support group for kids who are struggling.
Thanks, Alexis. The comments on the whole context of relationships is important and complex. For example, sexual morality as a "hierarch of penetration" rather than the moral criteria that are disputed currently affects how we read early Christian texts. The issues were not about gender or even age but about being in the appropriate position that corresponds to one's position in the social hierarchy. "Natural" means something different in this context.
Paul also thought that a man's hair was short by nature--see 1 Cor. 11:14
The language of 'natural' and 'unnatural' raises the question, too, of what is 'natural' for a particular person. For someone who identifies as LGBTQ+, heterosexuality is not 'natural' (Maybe this approach doesn't honor the intent of Paul's writing in Romans 1, but as a pastor, I've found this a helpful approach to this particular text for church members who struggle with this).
Resources for Christian communities who are trying to support LGBTQ persons are important. Some of these have been mentioned. But would be good to post them after the webinar.
I am lead author on the commentary on Acts for the Wisdom series (Liturgical Press). One of my contributing authors is Sean Burke, author of “Queering the Ethiopian Eunuch,” and he’ll be writing on that passage. Instructed by him, I am noting places where the author of Acts “queers” some characters in subtle ways that would have spoken to listeners of his time. For example: Jesus is described as suffering “pangs” on the cross; the word is the same one used for women’s pangs in childbirth. Likewise, Acts is the only biblical book that refers to Paul as “Saul,” and “Saul” could be used slangily in Greek for a man who is, let us say, “swish.”
Yes about the "queer" Jesus. Check out the work of Ally Kateusz. She has a lot of images of transgender Jesus's .
And don’t forget Marcella Althaus-Reid
Thanks, Linda, for the comments on Acts!
When we think about the passage in Romans 1 and other NT passages, we need to take into account the practice of pederasty in the Greco-Roman world.
Hey y’all, I have to leave right at 7pm, but if I can be of help in any way/offer further resources, my email is firstname.lastname@example.org
For Romans 1 there’s nothing better than Bernadette Brooten’s “Love Between Women.”
Have you seen this article? It seems very helpful. https://www.forgeonline.org/blog/2019/3/8/what-about-romans-124-27
sorry why are they called ‘clobber’ passages?
Because they are used to clobber people over the head.
Thank you, Brandy, Jordan, Whitney, and Alexis!
Thank you for the resources - very helpful!
Thank you for this!
ok cool thanks. sorry I’m jewish and so don’t actually encounter religious based anti lgbtqai+ and am here more to understand it’s existence in christianity
thanks for listening everyone!
Great discussion folks!
Thank you to everyone. Jordan - looking forward to hosting your JSOR in September. Thanks!
Thank you for this. Looking forward to the rest of Pride month