Slow Fish 201: Building Accountability in Seafood Systems
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Kevin Scribner
46:59
If you click on Participants, you will see, on the right, who is on board
Taylor Witkin
01:00:53
If you have questions or comments, please post them here and we will try to address them during our Q&A session
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:01:10
Thanks. M-A
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:07:48
How much gov’t resources are being put towards staffing to help with inspections for fraud. Is there a plan being looked at for more consultants and experts are being hired for this issue?
Lauren Parnell
01:08:52
What about fisheries workers in the U.S.? Which federal or state agenc(ies) have authority to investigate and enforce fair pay, safety, etc. for U.S. fisheries and seafood processing workers?
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:12:56
Awesome Patty!
Colles Stowell
01:15:35
two minutes to JH
Sarah Shoffler
01:15:40
RE:Labels. What about labels that incorporate relationships? Are there any? It’s also worth considering that just b/c a seafood doesn’t have a label doesn’t necessarily mean that it isn’t “sustainable.” Many labels are “pay to play” which many artisanal fishers may not have the ability to pay for, even if they meet the standards….I think Patty/Colles just talked about this :)
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:20:01
Three questions: Where it’s from; what it’s fed- if farmed: best practices.
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:22:22
That is funny but telling Patty
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:24:43
Thank you Patty- very enlightening.
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:25:15
No audio yet
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:25:34
He may have to tweak his audio input button
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:26:59
There we go!
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:27:29
Yes!
Amy Grondin
01:27:40
There isn’t a mute button on my screen so perhaps he doesn’t have one either.
Rasha Barbar
01:28:13
Many labels, at least initially, necessitate consumers develop familiarity with the message being communicated. e.g. MSC-cert. Why not tap into attributes everyday consumers can easily relate/connect to, and likely support on a broader level? I cannot speak to feasibility but would think "Caught in US Waters" carries some weight. American catch not immune to IUU, but something to think about?
Kendall Dix
01:29:21
Nobody can hear me, but I'm cheering wildly.
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:31:16
Love that- Yes to support US fisherman
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:31:39
Especially trading tainted fish for our incredible fish we export
Damion Bolick
01:34:04
We need to work on caught in the US and processed in the US and not outsource to overseas processors. Lower carbon footprint and better for US.
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:34:23
How can we help you in your mission congressman?
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:34:59
Thank you!
Taylor Witkin
01:38:25
LocalCatch.org and our partners who are putting on this webinar series are actively working to incorporate our Core Values https://localcatch.org/core-values/ into this movement. While a lot of the businessess use MSC and Seafood Watch as a baseline of sustainability, it's important to include them in the discussion and elevate the value of community-based seafood in the market and discourse
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:38:58
Love the Jes
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:39:05
Love that.. -:)
Taylor Witkin
01:39:39
"What fish should I eat?" is not the most important question. We also need to teach consumers to ask "Do I know my fisherman?"
Colles Stowell
01:41:30
Know your fishermen/fish harvester. Know your fish. Ask questions. Get answers. We own the relationship to the seafood we eat.
Kevin Scribner
01:42:04
Pacific Coast Federation of Fishermen’s Association
Amy Grondin
01:42:56
I have been a long time proponent of having latin names on seafood labels, placed under the market name of a species. This would go a long way towards transparency at least as far as one fish having several market names. Make sense?
Colles Stowell
01:42:58
And Institute for Fisheries Resources.
Kendall Dix
01:44:02
A lot of the inspections and certifications and shortening of the supply chain have the potential to increase the cost of wild, domestic seafood. While tariffs have been discussed as a remedy, I hear few fishermen and chefs discussing why working class Americans can't afford American seafood. Should we as seafood advocates also begin to introduce economic justice into our discussions? Will we ever be able to develop broad support for wild seafood if it is seen as unaffordable or a specialty product?
Jes Hathaway
01:44:19
Yes, Amy!
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:44:27
In my seafood cooking classes, I always push the consumer to ask, ask, ask. No matter where you are. Where is it from? Push the person at the counter, the person serving you to find out.
Rasha Barbar
01:44:30
Abolutely. What happens if I'm in land-locked with no access to CSF shipping blast-frozen from a fisherman I know long-distance?
Amber Mae Petersen
01:45:10
Yes Amy. I'm from the Great Lakes and Lake Whitefish IS the commercial harvest. It is it's own species seperate from other fish termed whitefish. Latin names is awesome.
Kelly Harrell
01:45:24
Rasha- there are CSFs that ship nationwide: www.localcatch.org
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:46:56
Love this idea: Should we as seafood advocates also begin to introduce economic justice into our discussions?
Amber Mae Petersen
01:48:29
Rasha you bring up a good point---- I'm from Michigan and totally understand what you are talking about.
Kelly Collins Geiser
01:48:29
Good Question! You brought up a good point. Yes, Economic Justice is a very important topic.
Jes Hathaway
01:48:57
Why not just define the term?
Lauren Parnell
01:48:59
Heck yes! on educating seafood consumers. Couldn't agree more.
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:48:59
Thanks Noah
Rasha Barbar
01:49:05
Thanks Kelly. But most people will not get to that resource. Being devil's advocate. It took me 4 years.
Jes Hathaway
01:56:56
Very tight. I think they might all be for Patty!
Michael-Ann Rowe
01:57:57
Thanks Kevin
Noah Oppenheim
01:58:12
Greg it’s a categorical difference that we choose to highlight as an organization… it’s more correct than ‘small boat’ or ‘catcher boat’ and less alienating than ‘non-CP/non-trawl’ ‘open access’ or ‘non-catch share’. I don’t know of a better term to describe the approach PCFFA members take.
Michael-Ann Rowe
02:02:15
Just as we have restaurant inspectors show up at no notice, it would be good to inform these practices across the US with Seafood specific inspectors who would inspect on the spot; for grocery stores as well
Kelly Harrell
02:02:35
The Odeum question brings up a good point about which part of the supply chain to focus on, and restaurants are the #1 place where consumers purchase seafood I believe.
Michael-Ann Rowe
02:02:37
…’meant enforce these practices…"
Kirk Hardcastle
02:03:09
Great Kevin - I truly feel that the Supply Side Harvesters really need to be involved in these Seafood Community Accountability Program & Social License to Operate. There is a great lack of participation on the fishermen side in these conversations, and most of what we are discussing is directly linked into their professional well being. I’d like to see how we can get the fishermen more deeply involved to help solve these issues.
Michael-Ann Rowe
02:03:34
there is a great question here as to where the fraud starts-
Michael-Ann Rowe
02:04:03
everyone should be accountable
Maureen C. Berry
02:04:14
The seafood supply chain representatives can share webinars/speeches/presentations at the culinary organizations, culinary memberships and schools to educate chefs.
Michael-Ann Rowe
02:04:42
Measure success with learning where and when the Congressmen has put what we want into real ACTION
Taylor Witkin
02:05:34
Maureen- Great point. It's important to educate the next generation of chefs so the idea of "know your fishermen" comes more naturally when they are running restaurants
Maureen C. Berry
02:06:27
Thanks Taylor!
PETER FLOURNOY
02:06:33
IN San Diego we have started (in its 5th year) Tuna Harbor Dockside Market, which is run by fishermen and aquaculturists (shell fish). Fishermen sell directly to the public and chefs off their vessels every Saturday under a State law for fishermen’s markets.
Kendall Dix
02:06:54
Two areas to focusing on when measuring success from my point of view: 1. consumer satisfaction and 2. economic stability for fishers and deckhands
Michael-Ann Rowe
02:07:41
San Diego is a nice model of community support and awe ness; fish from the dock!
John Clarke
02:07:46
Fisherman owned CSFs seem to embody a lot of these values we are discussing. They are great stewards for the resource, keep money local, and know that building trust is imperative and hold each fisherman and processor accountable, rising tide raises all ships, they have every incentive to do the right thing to build trust as they will feel the impact first from activities that erode consumer trust.
Joe Salmon
02:07:53
No bad news among us right now. Do we let the press expose our hypocrisy, or do we clean up our own act?
Joe Salmon
02:08:44
How do we deal with the operators in our own group that are making false and fraudulent claims about being “Sustainable” and having SlowFish values?
Rasha Barbar
02:08:51
Success = consumer purchase habits trending in the right direction in the very communities/markets where you focus effort? Measuring purchases? Return customers? Testimonials?Consumer storrytelling vs. fishermen/chef stories. All can be measured.
Jes Hathaway
02:09:19
Yes, Joe. We have to clean up our own act.
Michael-Ann Rowe
02:09:25
I love that idea. Economic justice. Part of feeding low income and hungry people and yes, have access
Joe Salmon
02:09:42
Rasha, go to localcatch.org to find many CSF’s that will ship to you.
Joe Salmon
02:10:29
Rasha, also check out the Alaskan League of Direct Marketers Facebook group
Taylor Witkin
02:11:10
Joe- a community acountability model can serve as a guide for how to clean up our act
Jonathan Gonzalez
02:11:40
It's very encouraging to hear from multiple panelists that support the idea of drastically enhancing marketing of domestic seafood! My question is do the panelists think this should include enhancing marketing of ALL US-caught seafood, or only seafood caught by small or medium sized vessels?
Michael-Ann Rowe
02:11:56
Jess- what was that you were referencing?
Amber Mae Petersen
02:12:03
YES Jes----- eat what is being caught not just what makes a nice fillet.
Rasha Barbar
02:12:33
Hi Joe - I don't need a CSF where I live (Portland), I'm fortunate. I'm simply speaking for others who expressed that to me.
Michael-Ann Rowe
02:13:21
I will continue to do my best in educating consumers about all of this through my own seafood education campaign: Put Your Best Fish Forward. Thank you- great panel!
Noah Oppenheim
02:13:38
I believe so Jon… marketing challenges are felt across the board. The approaches will be vastly different across sectors of course
Kirk Hardcastle
02:14:04
Fantastic Yes - Thanks for opening the conversation table and getting us to engage. Looking forward to greater and bigger success …. Hope you all catch a bunch !!
Tyson Rasor
02:14:30
Thank you, Everyone!
Joe Salmon
02:14:34
Cool Rasha, see you in September in PDX at the Local Catch Summit.
Jonathan Gonzalez
02:14:40
Thanks, Noah and all! I appreciate all you do for our great industry!
Joe Salmon
02:15:04
Thanks all you all from Wild Salmon Nation!!
Scott Echols
02:15:21
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