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Changes to assessment in 2021: How will colleges be affected? - Shared screen with speaker view
Cheryl Thompson
24:50
morning everyone Cheryl Thompson Peterborough College
Matt Shough
25:12
morning Cheryl!
Cheryl Thompson
26:00
Morning Matt
Antoinette Pennington
26:06
Good morning from Sunny Bromsgrove near Birmingham :D
Cath Sezen
26:23
Do type in any questions into the chat box. We will aim to answer as many as possible.
Amanda Redman - AoC Event Team
27:02
Good morning everyone and welcome to the Changes to assessment in 2021: How will colleges be affected? webinar
Susan
27:14
Why is there an expectation that students must sit FS exams when GCSEs are going to be TAG?
Mandy Goodwin
27:16
I have never used zoom, I can not hear anything
Susan
27:40
Is there likely to be any movement from QAA regarding Access to HE?
Mandy Goodwin
28:06
yes
James Moncrieff
28:18
Will universities make their offers on 10 August? So the results day is a 'normal' structure of uni offers (often received before results)?
James Moncrieff
30:03
Will we be able to charge a refundable admin fee for appeals?
Cath Sezen
30:51
Thanks James for kicking us off with a question. We will ask.
Eddie Playfair
31:02
Could everyone ensure they stay muted please. Thank you
Matt Shough
33:31
Functional Skills Maths and English are not short qualifications - they are similar to GCSEs - why are they looked at differently
Monica Marongiu
34:17
Are all AO allowing teacher assessment for functional skills if necessary?
Hilary Johns
34:36
I agree, these students have been through exactly the same challenges and are often lower ability learners, making sitting exams after so much disruption really hard for them.
Susan
34:41
Students on FS have lost as much learning as those studying GCSEs. Requiring them to sit an exam that covers the full syllabus surely disadvantages them compared to GCSE students?
Helen Lillie
35:00
Can you explain why there is not a consistent approach to Functional Skills exams - some AOs are allowing remote exams and some are not, some paper-based and some not?
Ben Houlihan
35:37
Can we confirm that T level employer set project is also eligible for a TAG as the slide only referred to the written exams. Thank you.
Monica Marongiu
35:47
Yes I agree with colleagues. Making students sit FS exams puts students at disadvantage. Any chance of reviewing this?
Gary Phillips
35:49
Agree with Matt's comment above and would welcome a response to this. The comment re: VTQs not being considered as less than GCSEs does not hold when assessment/'lost learning' is considered.
Chris Gilbert
37:06
What will the centre assessed grades look like for FS? Will centres be able to put through their whole cohort for centre assessed grades? I agree with comments above that FS learners will be hugely disadvantaged through lost learning.
Mandy Goodwin
38:42
Sorry, I cannot hear much it is very glitchy, please can I be sent a copy of the video?
Fi Taylor
38:50
When will we the dates/details by AO, are Ofqual going to suggest a deadline to inform centres by?
Sam Clarke
39:06
Many adults who are now being expected to attend site to sit F/Skills are still very nervous about attending due to health concerns, would these circumstances qualify a student for an assessed grade?
Karen Coombs
39:09
FS students have been let down.
Ian Mathieson
39:53
I would like to echo the question above from Sam Clarke please
Cath Sezen
40:03
So far I have spotted questions on FS, T Levels, Access, UCAS. We will cover these. Any other VTQ question topics?
Ben Houlihan
40:43
I think the language used around appeals needs to be carefully managed to give parents and students confidence in the process that teachers are undertaking. On first reading the initial communication could be seen to encourage students to appeal even if they are ‘not happy’ with the grade that have been awarded. This could cause large amounts of work for providers later this year.
Helen Lillie
40:44
It appears that some AOs are asking for samples of work and some are not - is there going to be any change to this for consistency
Hollie Wainwright
40:54
cannot hear much
Monica Marongiu
41:22
Cath, also ESOL. Again, why are we not allowing results to be teacher assessed? Same arguments brought forward for FS students.
Lynette Leith
41:25
How will AOs work to ensure consistency
Julia Surman
42:13
Why the early result release dates for GCSE/GCE and similar VTQ's? This impacts on everyone in College. All Staff will have their Summer leave impacted as will need to be available for admission enquiries and provide evidence in event of appeal - It feels like this is to support University admissions only.
Angela Crabtree
42:17
How long will the consultation take and be decided on - we need to plan and inform to ensure we have the valid evidence for TAGs
Hollie Wainwright
42:30
agree with Angela
Fiona Barclay
43:46
Sound quality poor for me too
Ian Mathieson
43:48
I agree with Angela too
John Crockford
44:24
Yes the evidence collation for VTQs was significant last time, and required a lot of thought…
MB
45:38
how will students with Access Arrangements be assured fair grading if they cannot access their normal supplies mechanisms - what is expected as evidence by the AB
Helen Gibson
46:41
There seems to be a lack of clarity within the AO about the moderation of work for VTQs already and the evidence needed to be submitted.
Monica Marongiu
48:26
They are not shorter courses in colleges. the same hours are dedicated to teaching these subjects
Ross C
48:43
At college, FS courses are not shorter. The delivery programme is the same as GCSE
Matt Shough
48:50
They are not shorter courses - this disadvantges these learners - this should be reviewed
Monica Marongiu
48:50
in schools that will be the case but not colleges
julia Melson
49:14
Thank you,
Monica Marongiu
49:34
Actually GCSE are delivered over 32 weeks and FS over 36 weeks in colleges
Cheryl Thompson
49:48
what is the latest date students can sit FS exams ?
Helen Lillie
50:20
If students have to sit FS exams do we need to meet the 18th June date for sending in results or having results confirmed from the exam
Helen Gibson
51:48
As a College we are most disappointed about the approach to Functional Skills - we offer them as an alternative to GCSEs and for Apprenticeships - yesterday's advice from DfE was to swap awarding organisations if we need to to get an approach most suited for our learners - that would suggest different approaches by awarding bodies
Helen Lillie
51:52
In the main, 55 glh delivered across the academic year for college learners
Chris Gilbert
52:25
We have found that, in general, FS learners have struggled the most with the online learning and have experienced the greatest level of disruption. I worry that this approach will disadvantage the most vulnerable learners the most.
Antoinette Pennington
52:44
There appears to be no equality of assessment between FSQ and GCSE..
Matt Shough
52:54
FS learners have had lost learning as much as GCSE learners - they are being disdvantged
Susan
52:55
FS learners are being hugely disadvantaged. What is the Equalities Impact of this decision?
Antoinette Pennington
53:06
Therefore this disadvantages learners.. agreed Susan
Antoinette Pennington
53:42
Absolutely Cath S!
Lynette Leith
54:18
FS learners are doing FS for a reason. At the end of the day these are examined quals. I appreciate the rational around size however proportionality disruption to these learners in regards to content is no different. A significant % of there learning has been disrupted.
Antoinette Pennington
54:20
So why not the same with GCSE?
Helen Lillie
54:45
If the AO does not give the option for remote sittings and the learners cannot come in to college to sit the exam then surely the only alternative would be a TAG
Antoinette Pennington
55:25
Good one Helen L! Lovely to see you on the air - discuss later at our AOC
Susan
55:36
If this is due to a policy decision then can the AoC not take this back to the DFE>
Angela Crabtree
55:42
So TAG for FS is not the 'potential' of the student to date but where they are at by the end of their course. Understand the need for evidence but across the country there has been low levels of engagement particularly for lower level and practical courses.
Lynette Leith
56:28
Agree Angela - this cohort struggle
Antoinette Pennington
56:36
Agreed Angela many of our adults in digital poverty and from BAME backgrounds and looking and after children and elderly parents and they are often shielding too!
Matt Shough
56:49
It is clear form the comments that the majority of the sector finds this decision re FS wrong. Will AOC take this back to request a review of policy
Hollie Wainwright
56:54
can we start booking exams now?
Susan
57:23
Expect very poor FS results this year. I’m so disappointed for the FS learners. They really are being treated very shabbily.
Lynette Leith
57:40
And some of the content is challenge. Without time to address missed learning this puts these learners at a disadvantage. More clarity will be welcomed. Thank you.
michelle entwistle
57:42
What is the position if the only reason they can't have a live exam is the logistics of colleges handling large numbers of exams in short periods? It wouldn't be fair to spread exams out over too many weeks.
Antoinette Pennington
57:52
What is the advice enter exams and then pay costs and then TAG if they can not sit the exam...?
Antoinette Pennington
59:56
Remote assessment still requires remote invigilation and there are costs attached to this and assumes the learner has a laptop and connectivity.. FSQ needs reviewing..
Ian Mathieson
01:00:23
We have an adult FS course ending 26/3.We have an Exam booked in college 22/3.We have adults saying they do not feel safe to attend.They therefore can follow the TAG process?But not yet it by the sounds of it?. Cohort in limbo here maybe.
Claire Gill
01:01:14
Thanks Cath, and yes, more than happy to pick up with you to answer questions post event.
Cath Sezen
01:04:32
Thank you Liz and Claire for the update.
Helen Lillie
01:04:38
is there just the one slide?
Antoinette Pennington
01:04:56
:D next slide please Richard xx
Sue Hopewell
01:08:22
Can we provide feedback and the grades to students once the work has been assessed?
Antoinette Pennington
01:08:36
How will the new assessments be standardised across AO's
Angela O'Donoghue
01:09:03
Will the evidence required need to cover all the content
Fiona Barclay
01:09:14
Please confirm that in FE we can assess on what has been taught within this academic year - (vast majority are resit students so may have had some previous opportunity to study other elements of the GCSE specification that has not been covered within this year's learning. ) Concern is that guidance will be given with schools in mind.
Chris Gilbert
01:10:03
Should work from the year be marked using regular grade boundaries or the November re-sit grade boundaries?
Hollie Wainwright
01:10:59
Same Q as Chris - should we be basing on grade boundaries??
Hollie Wainwright
01:11:09
Otherwise different teachers have different perceptions
Jonny Diamond
01:11:12
Agree Chris, this will have an impact on what TAG is awarded
Lynette Leith
01:12:54
Any additional considerations around moderation to ensure consistency/rigour of TAG's.
Eddie Playfair
01:13:14
I think AOs will be producing detailed grade descriptors and exemplar materials.
Lynette Leith
01:14:08
The support and materials are excellent - agree on this, really concerned on the external moderation of this to ensure equity across the country.
Jonny Diamond
01:14:13
If we decide to use the support materials provided by the exam board, what (if any) are the implications for learners that choose (or are unable) to sit them?
Jonny Diamond
01:14:39
Choose not to*
Sam Clarke
01:14:42
With such a flexible approach to what can be used for TAGs, how can parity be ensured between providers to ensure that grades are considered as equitable with previous years results? will providers be expected to remain in line with previous years achievement levels?
Tarquin Grossman
01:14:50
“Private candidates to be assessed in a similar way using a range of evidence.” What does this mean if much ofnthe other candidates’ evidence was a series of tests done across the course which the private candidates didn’t have the opportunity to sit?
Hollie Wainwright
01:15:42
how long will colleges have too respond to checks as we have many staff on annual leave in July
Hollie Wainwright
01:15:53
to*
Eddie Playfair
01:17:16
Lots of questions about the consistency of the External QA process: what are the flags for risk and what is involved in the process of 'reaching agreement' between a centre and an AO?
Chris Gilbert
01:17:37
As seen last year, surely this year will lead to another huge inflation in grades? Are there any plans to review the GCSE qualification for next year following 2 years of inflation?
Helen Lillie
01:18:33
If the exam board has externally quality assured the evidence during the sampling will they still need to ask for the individual evidence of the student appealing or base their judgement on being satisfied that the sample was approved? If staff are not in college during this time it may be difficult to send in evidence adhoc
Julia Surman
01:18:54
If a candidates grade is changed by AO following appeal, what about the rest of the learners in that cohort?
Antoinette Pennington
01:18:58
Agreed Helen Lillie :D
Sam Clarke
01:19:47
The appeals process could lead to providers being overwhelmed during the summer months when the majority of staff should be on annual leave, Has the impact of this been considered and is there any support available to providers?
Antoinette Pennington
01:20:06
Absolutely Sam Clarke - I am with you there and was last year :D
Angela Baskerville
01:20:53
Agree Sam my exams staff didn't get any summer hoiiday last year
Helen Gibson
01:22:05
We are already anticipating an evidence collection exercise which will have to be done before Summer - just in case.... this increases staff workload and stress levels
John Crockford
01:22:30
Agree totally
Angela Crabtree
01:22:54
The tracking of grades internally is not an issue - it is if a sample of student work is required. I would prefer to have a heads up of what this might look like - to prepare before summer holidays periods.
Cheryl Thompson
01:23:30
thank you - very informative
Helen Gibson
01:23:42
It's in the Regulatory Consultation document for the 11th of March
Helen Lillie
01:23:51
The infographic indicated types of evidence to be used for TAGs. Will this be consistent for each AO or will they bespoke what they want? If the infographic is the definitive then collection can commence now from previous learning and continuation of learning to help shape/build further
Antoinette Pennington
01:24:00
Many thanks a brilliant session thankyou to all speakers today.. very informative..
Chris Gilbert
01:24:05
I can imagine staff being asked the question by students “what do I need to do to get a grade 4? What evidence do you need from me?”. This will put staff in a difficult situation!
Monica Marongiu
01:24:34
Thanks
James Moncrieff
01:24:37
Thank you all for running this and talking to us - much appreciated!
Sue Hopewell
01:24:42
Thanks all very informative
Helen Lillie
01:24:45
Thak you everyone. Great session and looking forward to some more responses to the questions
Patricia Turner
01:24:50
Thank you. That was great.
Ian Mathieson
01:24:54
Thank you all. Very useful.
Lisa Houghton
01:24:56
Thank you.
Judith Groves
01:24:58
Thank you
Chris Gilbert
01:25:00
Thank you!
Bronagh Quigley
01:25:00
Thanks Cath and Eddie
Angela Crabtree
01:25:07
Thank you for providing this early communication. Appreciate this.
Helen Lillie
01:25:11
Will we get copies of the slides?
Emma Briggs
01:25:12
Thank you.
Dan Beale
01:25:15
Thank you! we look forward to hearing from the AOs..
Helen Gibson
01:25:21
Thank you for taking time to having a discussion with us