Psalm Study w/ Rabbi Kleinbaum - Shared screen with speaker view
i watched the episode last night from The Crown
where the grandmother explains to elizabeth this concept
of being annointed
It’s sad that some people think of Tr*** in this way....arrrgh.
The moment of anointing [of the British monarch], which takes place under a canopy to ensure a “deeply personal experience between The Queen and God”, was not broadcast in 1953, when cameras set up for the first television coronation deliberately turned away.
Samuel, anointed with oil Israel’s first king Saul and his successor David
“This is the recipe for the Coronation Oil. The composition of the oil was founded upon that used in the 17th century. “Then you see what it consists of sesame seed and olive oil, perfume with roses, orange flowers, jasmine, musk, civet and ambergris.”
“Not all the water in the rough rude seaCan wash the balm from an anointed King;” from Shakespeare’s Richard II
Most of the Messiah is from Isaiah.
I wish I would "like" you comments like on Facebook.
Here’s just one of hundreds of texts on the Internet about the Christian view of Psalms and the Hebrew Scriptures.
The Chinese emperors were the Sons of Heaven, ruling by the Mandate of Heaven. The Japanese emperor was considered a direct descendent of the Sun goddess Amaterasu-Omikami - again, ruling by his inherent divinity. Both required installation and rituals to regularly affirm their divine authority.
Thanks, all. This is fascinating.
Why do the nations: Handel’s Messiah, Phillipe Sly Bass-Baritone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNcZgu9yFjU
Do Rabbis get anointed?
I have a question about the sequence of the Psalms-the tone and feeling of Psalm 2 seems so different than Psalm 1. How was the order of the Psalms decided?
How much of the idea of Moshiach is related to the concept of after life?
I'm trying very hard to remember what questions are asked during an Easterm Orthodox Christian baptism, but I don't think the word "Messiah" even gets mentioned.
I don’t think that Jesus considered himself the Messiah in the Cristian definitions.
simon & sherri
I believe bar Kochbar was able to expel the romans for 2 or 3 years, no?
Anointed but not divine
Gail 'Malka' Meister
British crown slogan is Dieu et mon droit (God and my right)
At no point has any Monarch of the United Kingdom, Scotland or England been considered a deity. ... This is standard across Christian nations, a Monarch's power came from God, but they were not themselves considered divine.
Seeing as how there is a large difference between Christian cultural concepts (which have evolved over time), and the original, theological concept of the Messiah (within early Christian thought, before it was ever “Christian”), there probably was/is a difference in perception, Edwin.
he divine right of kings, divine right, or God's mandate is a political and religious doctrine of royal and political legitimacy. It stems from a specific metaphysical framework in which the king (or queen) ... However, in the UK, the symbolism ends there, since the real governing authority of the monarch was all but extinguished ...
You can purchase many types of "anointing oil" on Amazon! Just sayin.....
Victor - did you have a question or comment for the Rabbi?
Priest are anointed and that is part of their sacrament. They do act as Christ on earth
The Pope can speak for G-D but only under certain restrictions….
love that question ira
Psalm 1 + 2 seem to reflect the v’ahavta in sequence.
From Sheldon; Why was Grand Rabbi Schnerson from Lubvich is considered the Messiah
ashrei begins psalm 1 and almost ends psalm 2
Fascinating article in Wikipedia that tackles many of these questions:
From Sheldon; Do you know when each Psalm was written, they sound different in each one, and are they different years
A royal synchronicity! 😇🙏
On top of all we have the Septuagint numbering of the Psalms here in Bulgaria because our traditional form of Christianity is Eastern Orthodox
Victor Haim Benadava
sorry had a battery issu
a royal synchronicity for sure!
Is the Psalmist differentiating between kings anointed on earth and those anointed by G-d?
Yes, Noreen — and that’s part of why there is controversy about whether people of “other” genders (other than cis male), can be priests in certain ✝️ traditions / because they are literally representing Yeshua on earth. That’s largely where the church has split, in terms of interpretation in action — that is - how literal does this whole gender thing have to be? 🥰🤪
But why do they call them King Davids psalms
is psalm 2 a wisdom psalm as we identified psalm 1?
I think that that may be why - largely why - the Jewish world is often more fluid, in terms of gender and spiritual authority (barring the ultra orthodox world, in general).
Or like the composer John Williams hiring a bunch of composers to help write film scores in his style.
Benjamin Segal writes that the psalms were attrubtted to relatively late in the 2nd Temple Period, extending into Maccabbees (from 167 BCE on)
Jacob i never knew that it was a posse!
yes, I understand
New York City is still George Ballachine based
In the preface to Alter’s translation he has a long discussion of the l’David attribution.
There are Protestant churches that have female pastors (I have one such pastor as a friend), but the more traditional forms of Christianity are just terribly conservative
and in verse 9, David is mentioned
Segal added discoveries of parallel literature that predates Israel changed the dating of the psalms and that none of the psalms postdate the 4th century BCE
True, Darina. I was raised in the Eastern Orthodox Church (Greek Orthodox), and while I will always cherish the music and the ethereal mysticism of it, they are behind, in terms of gender roles, an understanding of the LGBTQ+ community, and so on. 🙏
I am sorry, I have to leave. See you tomorrow
I remember somebody onec asted an eastern orthodox priest why women can't be priest and he asked "because Christ was male". Wen pressed further, he said that only men could be like Christ, although not completely before all people are imperfect - but hey, women could strive to be like His mother Mary!
King James in 1612, I believe.
King James: " Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?"
My brain is saying 1611. It's somewhere around there.
It’s interesting that “Messiah” is associated with Christmas time, when, in fact, only a small part of it is about the birth of Jesus, and most of it would be more suited for Easter time.
Totally, Darina. I also believe that the realm of spirituality largely transcends literalism - because, by its very nature, spirituality is transcendent. Hello! LOL
I recall that these pieces in this chart lead the piece into the Hallelujah Chorus, which is the culmination of part two of the Messiah
FB: CBST Psalms Class
Handel mainly used King James; some of the translations are from the Book of Common Prayer.
Hello, Kat, I suspect the whole thing is actually about male dominance. LOL
Victor Haim Benadava
Christ was The Messiah ... think about reincarnation and no the queens isn’t God chosen
simon & sherri
messiah was written 1741
You got it, Darina.
Oh, that would be lovely !!!
Victor Haim Benadava
To go to the concert together, that is
Maybe the CBST Chorus? (Just kidding!)
Thanks for another terrific learning experience.
Yshar koach Jacob!
thank you everyone
Thank you once again.
Thank you Rabbi, Sasha, Harold, Jacob, Bruce, and all!
Allison Drew Klein
Sasha your lighting is dramatic and beautiful.
thank you, Rabbi