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Psalm Study w/ Rabbi Kleinbaum - Shared screen with speaker view
steven’s iPad
42:04
i watched the episode last night from The Crown
sasha
42:19
nice Steven!
steven’s iPad
42:26
where the grandmother explains to elizabeth this concept
steven’s iPad
42:32
of being annointed
Kat's iPhone
42:50
It’s sad that some people think of Tr*** in this way....arrrgh.
Harold Levine
42:57
The moment of anointing [of the British monarch], which takes place under a canopy to ensure a “deeply personal experience between The Queen and God”, was not broadcast in 1953, when cameras set up for the first television coronation deliberately turned away.
benjaminshafran
43:17
Samuel, anointed with oil Israel’s first king Saul and his successor David
Harold Levine
43:21
“This is the recipe for the Coronation Oil. The composition of the oil was founded upon that used in the 17th century. “Then you see what it consists of sesame seed and olive oil, perfume with roses, orange flowers, jasmine, musk, civet and ambergris.”
megancossey
43:21
“Not all the water in the rough rude seaCan wash the balm from an anointed King;” from Shakespeare’s Richard II
Harold Levine
43:29
Most of the Messiah is from Isaiah.
Darina Ivanova
44:58
I wish I would "like" you comments like on Facebook.
Harold Levine
45:41
Here’s just one of hundreds of texts on the Internet about the Christian view of Psalms and the Hebrew Scriptures.
Harold Levine
45:43
http://www.westminsterconfession.org/worship/christ-in-the-psalms.php
Peter Klein
45:56
The Chinese emperors were the Sons of Heaven, ruling by the Mandate of Heaven. The Japanese emperor was considered a direct descendent of the Sun goddess Amaterasu-Omikami - again, ruling by his inherent divinity. Both required installation and rituals to regularly affirm their divine authority.
Kat's iPhone
46:43
Thanks, all. This is fascinating.
Peter Klein
47:03
Why do the nations: Handel’s Messiah, Phillipe Sly Bass-Baritone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNcZgu9yFjU
edwinguzman
47:13
Very interesting!
Hilary Nudell
47:46
Do Rabbis get anointed?
Ira Rosenblum
48:19
I have a question about the sequence of the Psalms-the tone and feeling of Psalm 2 seems so different than Psalm 1. How was the order of the Psalms decided?
Jeremy Lawrence
48:59
How much of the idea of Moshiach is related to the concept of after life?
Darina Ivanova
49:58
I'm trying very hard to remember what questions are asked during an Easterm Orthodox Christian baptism, but I don't think the word "Messiah" even gets mentioned.
edwinguzman
51:09
I don’t think that Jesus considered himself the Messiah in the Cristian definitions.
simon & sherri
52:06
I believe bar Kochbar was able to expel the romans for 2 or 3 years, no?
Peter Klein
52:24
Anointed but not divine
Gail 'Malka' Meister
52:49
British crown slogan is Dieu et mon droit (God and my right)
Jonathan Baron
53:07
At no point has any Monarch of the United Kingdom, Scotland or England been considered a deity. ... This is standard across Christian nations, a Monarch's power came from God, but they were not themselves considered divine.
Kat's iPhone
54:13
Seeing as how there is a large difference between Christian cultural concepts (which have evolved over time), and the original, theological concept of the Messiah (within early Christian thought, before it was ever “Christian”), there probably was/is a difference in perception, Edwin.
Jonathan Baron
54:54
he divine right of kings, divine right, or God's mandate is a political and religious doctrine of royal and political legitimacy. It stems from a specific metaphysical framework in which the king (or queen) ... However, in the UK, the symbolism ends there, since the real governing authority of the monarch was all but extinguished ...
Laurie Krotman
55:08
You can purchase many types of "anointing oil" on Amazon! Just sayin.....
sasha
55:20
Victor - did you have a question or comment for the Rabbi?
noreendeandresser
55:41
Priest are anointed and that is part of their sacrament. They do act as Christ on earth
noreendeandresser
56:10
The Pope can speak for G-D but only under certain restrictions….
steven’s iPad
57:30
love that question ira
Peter Klein
57:31
Psalm 1 + 2 seem to reflect the v’ahavta in sequence.
Sheldon Wertman
58:01
From Sheldon; Why was Grand Rabbi Schnerson from Lubvich is considered the Messiah
Ellen Poster
58:52
ashrei begins psalm 1 and almost ends psalm 2
Harold Levine
59:10
Fascinating article in Wikipedia that tackles many of these questions:
Harold Levine
59:11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psalms
Sheldon Wertman
59:57
From Sheldon; Do you know when each Psalm was written, they sound different in each one, and are they different years
Kat's iPhone
01:00:14
A royal synchronicity! 😇🙏
Darina Ivanova
01:01:02
On top of all we have the Septuagint numbering of the Psalms here in Bulgaria because our traditional form of Christianity is Eastern Orthodox
Victor Haim Benadava
01:01:44
sorry had a battery issu
steven’s iPad
01:02:00
a royal synchronicity for sure!
Hilary Nudell
01:02:02
Is the Psalmist differentiating between kings anointed on earth and those anointed by G-d?
Kat's iPhone
01:02:14
Yes, Noreen — and that’s part of why there is controversy about whether people of “other” genders (other than cis male), can be priests in certain ✝️ traditions / because they are literally representing Yeshua on earth. That’s largely where the church has split, in terms of interpretation in action — that is - how literal does this whole gender thing have to be? 🥰🤪
Sheldon Wertman
01:02:42
But why do they call them King Davids psalms
Ellen Poster
01:03:04
is psalm 2 a wisdom psalm as we identified psalm 1?
Kat's iPhone
01:03:26
I think that that may be why - largely why - the Jewish world is often more fluid, in terms of gender and spiritual authority (barring the ultra orthodox world, in general).
Jacob Niemi
01:04:28
Or like the composer John Williams hiring a bunch of composers to help write film scores in his style.
Randi Sarokoff
01:04:39
Benjamin Segal writes that the psalms were attrubtted to relatively late in the 2nd Temple Period, extending into Maccabbees (from 167 BCE on)
sasha
01:04:44
Jacob i never knew that it was a posse!
Sheldon Wertman
01:04:47
yes, I understand
Adria Benjamin
01:04:48
New York City is still George Ballachine based
Harold Levine
01:05:40
In the preface to Alter’s translation he has a long discussion of the l’David attribution.
Darina Ivanova
01:06:03
There are Protestant churches that have female pastors (I have one such pastor as a friend), but the more traditional forms of Christianity are just terribly conservative
Betsy Imershein
01:06:30
and in verse 9, David is mentioned
Randi Sarokoff
01:07:31
Segal added discoveries of parallel literature that predates Israel changed the dating of the psalms and that none of the psalms postdate the 4th century BCE
Kat's iPhone
01:07:51
True, Darina. I was raised in the Eastern Orthodox Church (Greek Orthodox), and while I will always cherish the music and the ethereal mysticism of it, they are behind, in terms of gender roles, an understanding of the LGBTQ+ community, and so on. 🙏
Sandy Warshaw
01:08:06
I am sorry, I have to leave. See you tomorrow
Darina Ivanova
01:08:18
I remember somebody onec asted an eastern orthodox priest why women can't be priest and he asked "because Christ was male". Wen pressed further, he said that only men could be like Christ, although not completely before all people are imperfect - but hey, women could strive to be like His mother Mary!
Darina Ivanova
01:08:25
*once
Harold Levine
01:09:46
King James in 1612, I believe.
Laurie Krotman
01:09:55
King James: " Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?"
Tim
01:10:05
My brain is saying 1611. It's somewhere around there.
Ira Rosenblum
01:10:15
It’s interesting that “Messiah” is associated with Christmas time, when, in fact, only a small part of it is about the birth of Jesus, and most of it would be more suited for Easter time.
Kat's iPhone
01:10:25
Totally, Darina. I also believe that the realm of spirituality largely transcends literalism - because, by its very nature, spirituality is transcendent. Hello! LOL
Harold Levine
01:10:27
https://jubalslyre.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Text-Study-of-Handels-Messiah.pdf
Adria Benjamin
01:10:36
I recall that these pieces in this chart lead the piece into the Hallelujah Chorus, which is the culmination of part two of the Messiah
Harold Levine
01:10:40
FB: CBST Psalms Class
Harold Levine
01:11:11
Handel mainly used King James; some of the translations are from the Book of Common Prayer.
Darina Ivanova
01:11:54
Hello, Kat, I suspect the whole thing is actually about male dominance. LOL
Victor Haim Benadava
01:12:23
Christ was The Messiah ... think about reincarnation and no the queens isn’t God chosen
simon & sherri
01:13:22
messiah was written 1741
Kat's iPhone
01:14:21
You got it, Darina.
Kat's iPhone
01:15:03
Oh, that would be lovely !!!
Victor Haim Benadava
01:15:13
inchallah
Kat's iPhone
01:15:16
To go to the concert together, that is
Ira Rosenblum
01:15:20
Maybe the CBST Chorus? (Just kidding!)
Kat's iPhone
01:15:53
Welcome!
Sarah Siegel
01:17:14
Thanks for another terrific learning experience.
Elona Gagani
01:17:28
thank you
Joseph
01:17:29
Yshar koach Jacob!
Steve Fruh
01:17:31
Thanks Jacob!
Rafaela Anshel
01:17:32
hi Jacob!
eleanor
01:17:40
thank you everyone
Nina Luban
01:17:44
Thank you once again.
Julia Ostrov
01:18:12
Thank you Rabbi, Sasha, Harold, Jacob, Bruce, and all!
Jessica Bathurst
01:18:17
Thanks all!
Allison Drew Klein
01:18:23
Sasha your lighting is dramatic and beautiful.
Betsy Ostrow
01:20:10
thank you, Rabbi