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Diamond Heights Community Association Meeting re: 1900 Diamond Street Development - Shared screen with speaker view
Sylvie D
15:52
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pooja
16:25
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Sylvie D
16:46
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Patrick Carroll
16:51
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Leo and JoAnna Mankiewicz
19:29
Thank you, Josh. Very good points.
Mcnulty, Brynna
19:34
Thank you Josh.
Josh Klipp
19:36
Most welcome
Josh Klipp
19:54
if anyone would like to follow up, you’re welcome to email me directly at joshuaklipp@gmail.com
Rose Taylor/Ari Goldfield
20:01
Thank you, Josh, that was really clear and helpful.
Ozzie Rohm
21:29
Thank you, Josh! Great points!
Todd David
21:31
What is the balance of importance between reducing carbon emissions and sequestering carbon emissions?
Jonah Martin
22:17
I was born and raised in SF and have spent most of my life in Glen Park, I believe the corner would be a great place for development but one that has mixed income levels and ZERO parking
BenjaminShapero
25:49
There is a typo in “Stories”
Ozzie Rohm
25:50
There is NO housing crisis for those who can afford multi-million dollar homes.
Todd David
26:38
There is no housing crisis for those of you who have homes
Katherine Klein
27:00
This development would also result in many more people needing parking.
Todd David
27:21
Not if people use public transit
Jonah Martin
27:35
I would gladly take a home with zero parking
BenjaminShapero
27:54
but these homes have parking, no?
Rebecca Misner
27:55
Sure. Then don’t build a development with 28 garages…
Ozzie Rohm
27:57
Currently, there are 45 single and multi-family homes AND condos for sale just in Noe Valley. No shortage of multi-million dollar homes here
Katherine Klein
27:59
The parking situation would impact the neighborhood.
Debby Nosowsky
28:47
This development is being proposed in a neighborhood that is no longer served by public transit and which was poorly served even before covid-19.
Katherine Klein
28:59
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BenjaminShapero
29:05
Aren’t these bus lines that go right to Bart right there?
Todd David
29:07
There is a mass shortage of homes in SF. Every neighborhood should be responsible to do its part.
Rebecca Misner
29:37
A shortage of 2.5 to 5 million dollar homes? Really?
Leo and JoAnna Mankiewicz
29:56
Once a project is approved by Planning, the developer can make changes that do not rise to the level of public notice, so you may not always get in the final project what is even proposed to the Planning Dept.
Jonah Martin
30:10
Diamond heights is one of the few neighborhoods with no return to transit in the immediate future
Todd David
30:27
They are $2.5 million dollars because homes are a constrained commodity
Todd David
30:45
If you build more homes, prices would begin to come down
Donald Lapin
30:50
Seems like the neighborhood has been repeatedly torn up - remember the water main changes?
Patrick Carroll
31:20
@jonah - the 52 is coming back in a reduced form,
BenjaminShapero
31:58
@Todd…thank you! Basic economics
Jonah Martin
32:05
In May or is that the August service bump?
Lauren McCollom
32:57
How does it not fit in with the neighborhood as it was literally modeled after an existing development on Diamond Street? It doesn't block anyone views and is built into a steep hillside that can't be used for any recreational purposes. Perfect place for housing and I live in Glen Park and take my kids to both Walter Hass and Christopher Playground.
Jonah Martin
33:00
Must have been a hidden detail in the release about May which focused heavily on the return of rail service
Patrick Carroll
33:03
There will be a one-way loop from Glen Park BART, Diamond, Diamond Heights Blvd., Portola, Fowler, Teresita, Foerster, Monterey, Diamond to Glen Park BART.
Erik Shilts
33:21
Is the presenter going to say where we should put housing if not here?
Rebecca Misner
33:22
Sure, but as the NYT reported yesterday, SF is among the top three places nationwide for out-migration. you need high income earners demanding million dollar homes...
Mcnulty, Brynna
33:51
My biggest concern with this project being issued an exemption from CEQA (a CE) is that there will be no "alternatives analysis" - in other words different concepts for developing this site along with a formal process for the public to weigh in. Could this project do better to provide affordable housing? Could this project preserve some portion of the world class views along this public right of way? How does this project fit into the master plan for infill development in the neighborhood? I don't believe the community has an understanding of this.
Ozzie Rohm
33:55
This is not even a transit-oriented area. The one and only bus line, 35 Diamond runs once every 30 minutes!
Jonah Martin
34:45
previously both the 35 and 52 served that corner, the 35 ran every 20 after the extension to GP BART
Todd David
35:01
And isn't the 48 a 5 minute walk?
BenjaminShapero
35:04
@ozzie - that is the definition of transit oriented
Lauren McCollom
35:06
It is surrounded by transit. Glen Park Bart at the bottom of the hill and J Church as well??
Jonah Martin
35:43
a little longer than a 5 minute walk to the 48 but yeah within 10 mins I think
Todd David
35:54
OK.
Debby Nosowsky
35:57
Agree. In the middle of the day it took me an hour and a half to travel from Market Street home on Muni Metro and the 52. The drive would have been 15-20 minutes.
Todd David
36:23
@Debby--We definitely want Muni to be better!
Leo and JoAnna Mankiewicz
36:26
If this were a flat neighborhood, the walk to alternate transit wouldn't be too much of a problem, but this is Diamond Heights.
Cliff Detz
36:29
It’s a pretty ;one walk and a steep climb up from Bart or themJ Church That’s OK if you are very young but not if you are middle aged or a senior citizen.
Lauren McCollom
36:42
You could walk to the J Church in 15 minutes and be at Market Street in 30 minutes..
Patrick Carroll
36:44
It's a 300 foot elevation change from Diamond Heights Shopping Center to Glen Park BART
Erik Shilts
36:52
I walked to transit daily
Patrick Carroll
37:04
That's very hard on my 63 year old knees
Patrick Carroll
37:28
You must have younger knees than me Erik
Jonah Martin
38:10
If the developer builds garages people will use cars
BenjaminShapero
38:26
but if they didn’t build garages you would complain about street parking
Todd David
38:42
Would you support the project if they remove the parking?
BenjaminShapero
38:49
no i wouldn’t
Jonah Martin
39:03
I know in 2014 parking minimums were removed but I haven't heard about an upper limit restriction
BenjaminShapero
39:10
my family has one car, live in glen park
Jonah Martin
39:39
I would fight harder for the project if they removed parking
BenjaminShapero
39:52
and get rid of all the street spots?
Lauren McCollom
39:54
People, especially families like myself need parking and garages. How am I supposed to take my kids to school or soccer practice? People need cars and to suggest otherwise is nonsense
BenjaminShapero
40:05
thank you lauren, agreed!
BenjaminShapero
40:20
i can only haul so much on my stinking’ ebike!
Yao Morin
40:23
I thought you guys just say that one can take public transit
Debby Nosowsky
40:23
Agree, Lauren.
Yao Morin
40:39
Even though it’s a300 feet elevation from the bottom to the top.
Rebecca Misner
40:39
agreed—lower the number of units, lower the number of cars…
BenjaminShapero
40:43
take public transit, drive, do whatever you want
Yao Morin
40:44
Why do you need a car then .
Leo and JoAnna Mankiewicz
40:51
Despite the provision of garages, people still street park because of homes with multiple cars/residents and a lot of the garages are used as storage bins for people's "stuff."
Erik Shilts
41:01
Incredible. Complaining about a garage now complaining about losing street parking
BenjaminShapero
41:19
but where will they put their e-bikes!??
Lauren McCollom
42:03
Bingo, Erik!
Donald Lapin
43:07
At certain times of day there is already a parking problem at the shopping center. Why add more traffic?
Lauren McCollom
43:20
Limiting this project due to a few people with mobility issues is ridiculous
BenjaminShapero
43:25
lol
BenjaminShapero
43:31
its amazing
BenjaminShapero
44:21
i have a busted back, sciatic pain, i wouldn’t rent or buy a house that i had to walk up steep hills to either, doesnt mean others shouldn’t live there
Rebecca Misner
44:25
That’s the least valid reason to limit the scope @lauren. Environmental concerns, traffic, scale, disruption for three years. Those are the reasons to limit scale.
Lauren McCollom
44:44
Emerald Fund is providing badly needed funding to Cesar Chavez Foundation who say they desperately need and want that funding.
Todd David
45:01
It takes 5 years to build Affordable Housing because some neighbors oppose housing
Rebecca Misner
45:08
To build houses in LA and PHX, ask C. Chavez—they admit as much.
Jonah Martin
46:33
I have spent almost all of my life in Glen Park and am being displaced, I chose a car free lifestyle for the majority of that time, I don't acknowledge anyone who says a car is required to live here
Lauren McCollom
47:35
Emerald Fund has been successfully building housing in the city for over 4 decades and has a stellar reputation. That should not be overlooked or discredited. This a company with roots here and not some out of town developer looking to make a quick buck.
Leo and JoAnna Mankiewicz
48:14
As soon as this neighborhood goes above a certain density, the only solution to the Diamond Heights Shopping center congestion will be an application to turn the Safeway into a multi-level building, with parking underneath, as they did in Burlingame. They can't fit any more cars into that lot, or carts into the aisles. Safeway aisles in Arizona are wide enough to drive your car through. It wasn't always this way at Diamond Heights. Just one more symptom that your neighborhood is nearing its density limit.
Jonah Martin
49:06
>=( density limit is code for screw everyone but me, "I got mine you cant have yours"
Yao Morin
49:29
Thank you so much, Steve!
Arpi Bekmezian
49:33
How can we access the petition?
Yao Morin
49:45
www.1900diamondforall.com
Milo Trauss
51:42
let him speak!!
BenjaminShapero
51:49
LET HIM SPEAK!
Erik Shilts
51:52
This is shameful. Let him speak.
Milo Trauss
51:58
We want to hear his side
BenjaminShapero
52:06
we want to hear what he has to say!
Leo and JoAnna Mankiewicz
52:46
I'd like to hear a point-by-point rebuttal. I guess we'll have to wait for the court hearing. The judge will allow a point-by-point rebuttal.
Ozzie Rohm
53:49
There is 35 Diamond that comes once every 30 minutes. That is not what anyone could consider as transit accessible.
Lauren McCollom
54:23
Bart and J church are less than a 1/4 mile away
BenjaminShapero
54:56
@ozzie - then what is transit accessible?
Donald Lapin
55:00
“Homage to mid-century modernism” -? Looks more like a wall of concrete.
BenjaminShapero
55:06
if it comes every 15, 10, 5 minutes?
Jonah Martin
55:09
Ozzie the longest interval was 20 minutes once it was extended to Glen Park but currently doesn't run
BenjaminShapero
55:28
its literally steps to transit, that is the definition of transit oriented housing
Ozzie Rohm
55:46
@Lauren, sorry but your numbers are wrong! J Church is nowhere within 1/4 mile of this site. Check the map
Todd David
55:55
The 35 bus stops in front of my house on Eureka St and my family used it all the time before the pandemic. And it comes every 20 minutes, more frequently during rush hour
Ozzie Rohm
57:13
I'm sure the Berkeley study did not include 27 mature and rare Monterey Cypress trees
Lauren McCollom
57:34
It is 5 blocks if you walk down 29th St to 30th and church @ozzie
Debby Nosowsky
59:25
Lauren, I hope you grow old and never experience any mobility limitations. I am sick and tired of people who have no understanding or appreciation for those limitations, or for the challenges of getting teo, three kids around the city.
Ozzie Rohm
01:00:29
@Lauren, where in Diamond Heights or Noe Valley do you live?
Lauren McCollom
01:00:38
I have a reconstructed knee that hurts all the time. All I am saying is you can get to public transportation easily by driving down the hill or taking an Uber
BenjaminShapero
01:01:16
or take the bus, or drive, bike, scoot…why is this a pre req for the housing? if you don’t like living up a hill don’t buy or rent there
Lauren McCollom
01:01:29
I live on Chenery St. and grew up on Valley St. just a few blocks from this project. Where do you live???
Jonah Martin
01:01:34
its .67 miles from 1900 diamond to the J church stop in Glen Park
Milo Trauss
01:01:40
SF needs these homes. If your priority is protecting the environment then you will support these homes. planning for the next 50 years, this part of the city will see more homes and better transit. we must take these steps now
BenjaminShapero
01:01:43
sounds like a nice urban hike!
Cliff Detz
01:01:47
Lauren. I am happy to hear that youn are in great physical shape and can climb back up 29 th street which has one of the steepest grades in the city. Imagine an older person struggling up that hill!
BenjaminShapero
01:02:15
why are we even talking about old people walking up hills, what does this have to do with building housing!?!?
Jonah Martin
01:02:28
https://arcg.is/08HOiu0
Milo Trauss
01:02:42
better non car options dont necessary mean a worse car dependent experience, it’s not zero sum
Jonah Martin
01:02:56
Highest points in SF are the places where service still doesn't exist
Cliff Detz
01:03:36
Do you think that all the residents will be your and fit? All people have a right to housing, not just the soundg and fit.
Lauren McCollom
01:03:41
@ozzie, where do you live??
BenjaminShapero
01:03:51
Cliff - what does that have to do with this
BenjaminShapero
01:03:58
don’t build housing here because its on a hill?
BenjaminShapero
01:04:04
is that what you are saying?
Lauren McCollom
01:04:36
Exactly, @benjamin. The whole city is built on hills
Cliff Detz
01:05:00
It has to do with the issue of the availability of transportation and the use of cars which some commenters seem to make light of.
Leo and JoAnna Mankiewicz
01:05:04
I think we need our district supervisor to get involved.
Lauren McCollom
01:05:21
After those three years they will have great new neighbors and community
BenjaminShapero
01:05:55
@Cliff - I get that point, but again, I think they have cars or public transit so it will be ok
Donald Lapin
01:06:01
After those three years there will be another reason to tear up our streets.
BenjaminShapero
01:06:16
@ donald lol, probably true
BenjaminShapero
01:06:27
they are always doing street work1
Jonah Martin
01:07:49
Fun fact, PG&E cant tear up the streets more than once every 5 years except for emergencies but DPW can
Donald Lapin
01:07:53
Does anybody remember just a couple years ago, when we had to wait 20 minutes in line to get out of the neighborhood on DHS. Construction for months.
BenjaminShapero
01:08:36
@ Jonah - thanks for the fun fact!
BenjaminShapero
01:08:59
Yeah the construction period would suck no doubt about that I drive that street all the time too
Yao Morin
01:16:19
Milo, can you please disclose who you work for?
BenjaminShapero
01:16:38
wow Milo is nailing it!
Yao Morin
01:16:49
It’s only fair since you are representing real estate development interest
Todd David
01:16:51
Yao--Can you please disclose who paid Josh Klipp?
Lauren McCollom
01:17:14
Well said Milo
Donald Lapin
01:17:21
Way more bus lanes…on a single-lane street?
Todd David
01:17:55
Dianne Feinstein
Todd David
01:17:59
Not Nancy Pelosi
Jonah Martin
01:18:25
They're both Dinosaurs
Ozzie Rohm
01:18:31
How do you think the same MUNI that is having budget crisis due to severe REDUCTION of passengers will be adding more lines?
Todd David
01:19:05
Muni gets more funding if it has more riders.
Ozzie Rohm
01:19:33
Uber and Lyft are not public transit. Schlepping from top of Diamond to J Church or the BART station on Uber does NOTHING for our carbon footprint
Jonah Martin
01:19:48
Muni is looking to alternative funding sources
Ozzie Rohm
01:19:58
Well, MUNI won't have more riders thanks to Uber and Lyft
Todd David
01:20:18
LOL
Rebecca Misner
01:21:10
Is this a q and a session?
Jonah Martin
01:21:24
Feels more like public comment now
BenjaminShapero
01:21:34
muni doesn’t have riders because there service sucks
BenjaminShapero
01:21:40
its pretty simple
Mike Kramer
01:21:41
If you have a question or comment please raise your hand
Mike Kramer
01:21:52
We'd appreciate if you are respectful of everyone and their time
Ozzie Rohm
01:22:02
@Leo, you're absolutely right! Sometimes, developers make changes that don't get public notification
Lily Yap
01:22:46
what kind of housing is in the project?
Milo Trauss
01:22:56
Yao, my opinions and words are my own
Donald Lapin
01:23:00
“Consideration of density” is exactly right, Leo.
Yao Morin
01:23:52
Well said Leo and Joanna
Ozzie Rohm
01:26:38
@Yao Morin, well said!
Leo and JoAnna Mankiewicz
01:28:04
Thank you very much to Mike, Steven and Betsy for your participation and hard work in supporting our neighborhood concerns. We do not support this project as presently designed. We vote NO.
Donald Lapin
01:28:18
Can someone explain why a clutch of multi-million dollar homes would be an asset to the residents of the city? How does this help with the inequality issue often mentioned these days?
Yao Morin
01:28:25
Thank you, Evelyn, for bringing the historic knowledge of this amazing neighborhood.
Arpi Bekmezian
01:28:27
Thank you Evelyn Rose for this additional context!
Allan LeBlanc
01:28:46
As opposed to the multimillion dollar homes around the rest of the neighborhood?
Yao Morin
01:28:49
My house is a mid century house
Yao Morin
01:29:12
Which is really meant to be this neighborhood, like what Evenlyn said.
Leo and JoAnna Mankiewicz
01:29:31
Thank you, Evelyn, for your invaluable historical perspective.
Mcnulty, Brynna
01:29:35
Thank you Evelyn.
Milo Trauss
01:30:01
If every neighbor group had veto power over new proposals would any of us live here?
Yao Morin
01:30:25
There are already many condos/houses for sale in this neighbo
Erik Shilts
01:30:36
I live in an apartment. Am I not meant for the neighborhood?
Yao Morin
01:30:38
If you want to buy a place here, you can go ahead
Leo and JoAnna Mankiewicz
01:31:52
The construction of our homes on Farnum Street inconvenienced a huge number of goats. : ) The historical perspective changes constantly.
Rebecca Misner
01:32:19
Actually, it will likely increase property values on Diamond. (my house) However, I’m still against it in its current iteration. I’m all for new neighbors! And development, but I have issues with the scale.
Leo and JoAnna Mankiewicz
01:34:21
Thank you to all participants. Let's keep the dialogue and line of communication open.
Arpi Bekmezian
01:39:08
Well said Betsy!
Allan LeBlanc
01:40:22
The median sales price for a home in 94131 is $1.6M.
Mike Kramer
01:40:42
This meeting was recorded and can be found, along with the previous meeting recording and the presentations for both meetings at https://dhcasf.org/. Thank you for participating and continue to follow the Diamond Heights Community Association for updates about this project and other matters regarding the neighborhood.
Arpi Bekmezian
01:41:09
Thank you Steve!
Erik Shilts
01:41:24
Can't wait for our new neighbors!
Allan LeBlanc
01:41:26
Thank you Mike. I appreciate it.
Lauren McCollom
01:41:26
Thanks, Steve!
Sharon Bobrow
01:41:28
Thank you, Steve! Great presentation.