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Recording will be available on our website next week.www.b2c2.ca

Question for Gordon regarding growth in commercial services: Do you think that there would be any consequences for Ontario if it fails to respect the 70% threshold for NP administration? Your comment seemed to imply the existence of the threshold would be sufficient to ensure it is respected - and I don’t have that confidence myself!

We’ll be posing questions at the end. Hope that’s OK!

There's non-profit, Indigenous-led urban child care centres available in Ontario that serve all populations. The implication that "non-profit" is not as "quality" as for-profit is skewed, if anything, it's the opposite.

Agreed @Sophia!

In my community (Sudbury, Ontario) CMSM has told us that we will get 219 new spaces but only 9 spaces in centre based program. There is child care in every school across four school boards and no more space available for expansion. Centre based programs can grow but not with only 9 spaces. How might I advocate for change to this allocation?

Here are my slides…hope the come through

worked for me, thank you!

😃 Got the ppt. Thanks

I’ll convert them to PDF for those of you without power point.

Thanks Gordon

got the slides thanks Gordon

Thank you Gordon :)

Thanks for the slides, Gordon. Excellent presentation!

Just a reminder to everyone to do the poll!

We’ll be taking questions at the end, so please put any questions for the panelists either into the chat or into the Q&A area

wondering if Kim could repeat the details around the memo received in December requiring a response by Jan. 20, 2023...I missed the beginning of this

Here is a link to the memo on the B2C2 website. https://b2c2.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Memo-to-Service-System-Managers-12.19-consolidated.pdf

As more families expect to have access to $10aDay child care - they also create demand for more programs and are necessary energy for advocacy campaigns. Helpful to involve media outlets too.

We are encouraging government to move away from reactive grant based funding to a publicly planned approach. Schools don’t get grants - they get public dollars for capital expansion where schools are necessary.

I’m here! Please pose it to Gord

The issue of meaningful & consequential Terms and Conditions for federal transfers to P/T is going to be one of the next frontiers in policy development. Without penalties or withholding, it will hard to ensure compliance from provinces like Ontario.

What leverage, if any does the CMSM have with the province to be flexible with issues like wages?

Thanks for this great session. Interesting and important to share and learn between provinces - here in BC, we have capital funding for expansion, albeit imperfect, but no real public planning responsibility. It appears that Ontario has public planning, albeit imperfect, but not a full capital budget.

Thank goodness Marni, all hands on deck!

Also interest in custom designed modular buildings )on public land) for child care, with second-floor apartment housing for the educators.

In BC we are advocating for a funding formula that provides the operating funds required to support quality child care - including fair compensation based on a provincial wage grid. 80% of the funds a program receives would be for human resources. All of this is based on a maximum of $10 a day fees

Can you please talk about how b2c2 can assist child care centres across the province, especially those in smaller municipalities or communities? What resources can you provide?

We shall see if it can be done

we need to talk more than just wages... benefits, including pensions, are an extremely important component of making attractive career choices. Benefits and pension plans should be portable and, preferably province-wide.

So lovely to see the many names of friends and respected leaders in this chat! Thanks to everyone who keeps the leaky ship of childcare afloat and works to make it more seaworthy.

We operate 12 Centres at George Brown College; have no issues staff recruitment and retention {150 plus staff}. Have challenges re: supply staff.

We pay our staff very well but being in a small northern Ontario town retention and recruitment is a HUGE issue.

Gord - who do you suggest would end up owning the real estate that is funded through loan guarantees?

And is it appropriate for public dollars to fund private assets even if the borrower is non profit

There is a cap on the operating funding, and the Operating Grants are not to be used for property taxes or mortgage payments. They don't want for-profit to build and that ensures non-profit can't afford to.

Believe City of Toronto directly operated centres have a higher hourly range. Our start hourly wage is $33.50 with very good benefits {part of OPSEU}

It seems to me that it would be more efficient for governments to borrow money (given they get better interest rates) and make it available but that’s a whole different discussion and an idea that would likely be dismissed though it sounds like that’s BC’s approach. Or I’m misunderstanding

We built two buildings during COVID and ourover-runs are absurd and now we have a huge mortgage that are difficult to cover and no more capital funds to off-set even though I negotiated loans with the ability to put annual payments on them to pay down the base.

There is the added issue of ECEs leaving child care for the Elementary School system and kindergarten.

this can only be for pensions because we pay much better than the school board

Legally, assets owned by non-profit and charitable groups must be distributed to other non-profits or charitable groups - this preserves the value of property purchased with public dollars.

More work needs to be done provincially/federally and in the media to raise the profile and to promote being an ECE as a career of value so that individuals want to enter this workforce, want to become an ECE. Wages and benefits are really important and need attention but so too is feeling valued.

It's a dissolution clause required in most bylaws

https://childcarepolicy.net/author/gordon/

Gordon’s website is at http://www.childcarepolicy.net

Ditto that Gord

Thank you!

You beat me to it!

thank you. very informative

Thank you for this discussion.

Can you please quickly talk about the assistance that B2C2 can provide to us in smaller communities?

Thanks for hosting this session

Thank you so much. Such an exciting time across the country and lots of work ahead.

Thank you for this session. Very informative and the discussion was great. Looking forward to the future of the child care sector!

No one leaves a "good thing"; need to ensure that our workplaces are just that...well compensated workplace. Many thanks

Thank you B2C2!

Thank you for a very informative webinar/discussion.

Thank you! Very informative.

thank you!!

Thank you, I learned so much in terms of advocacy focuses!

Thanks for excellent work and a good discussion.

Thanks for an excellent discussion.

Thank you for a very informative discussion!

Email contact is info@b2c2.ca and website is www.b2c2.ca

Thanks so much for inviting us outside of Ontario too!

can't wait for the next time! take care! thanks you!

Keep your eyes open for upcoming webinars!

Thank you for facilitating an excellent discussion