UL325/ASTM F2200 (2 Hr.) Review - Dealer Webinar - Shared screen with speaker view
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gate automation and designer school manual page 3.3 states that existing automated gates shall be upgraded to ASTM F2200 when the operator requires replacement, PLease explain that
can I record this
can you give permission for us to record or sendus a recording of this class
we can record on our own computer if you unlock it?
fkollmansperger - We will certainly discuss that aspect of the standards. Good call out.
Bob, we will send a link to the recording.
Do manuals have more information on installations then the UL325 rules require? Such as loops which are not involved with life safety?
rpetry (Rick?) - Good point. Yes, they do include more information and you are correct about Loop. Loops are not addressed in UL as they are not "safety" devices. Remind me of that point if I don't bring it up in the UL section.
Will do. Yes Rick
why do the TT100 Cantilever Wheels you sell at CPSG only come with 2 wheel Covers?
Brandon, I am not sure. Can I dig into that after the webinar and get back to you? I have taken a note to do so.
yes thank you
why does the fence picket adhere to the spacing
Fkollmansperger - Are you asking if the pickets need to adhere to the 2-1/4" rule?
keep your Bollards 16" away from gates
Fkollmansperger - Good observation, and it's been debated. Here is the ASTM entry...…. 6.1.2 All openings shall be designed, guarded, or screened from the bottom of the gate to the top of the gate or a minimum of 72 in. (1.83 m) above grade, whichever is less, to prevent a 2 1⁄4 in. (57 mm) diameter sphere from passing through the openings anywhere in the gate, and in that portion of the adjacent fence that the gate covers in the open position. The gate panel shall include the entire section of the moving gate, including any back frame or counterbalance portion of the gate.
positive stop on the left picture is protruding more than 1/2" is that acceptable?
perfect thank you
can you leave the gate operator posts high to use that as a gate fall catch?
Can the operator be used for fall over. I am assuming as long as it doesn't fall over more then 45%?
How are you seeing the edges used, where located? bottom of the gate? on the column?
Can I get a link for ACI??
Yes Robert. I will include that in the post show notes.
slide gate: no chain bracket tail ot guide roller tail?
what f2200 guidelines would be involved for a telescoping cantilever gate?
and is there any crazy guide lines for bi folding gates
In Nevada no option on this, Nevada has a Law that states you will follow UL and ASTM, I think still only state
Dean,Cant wait until Colorado follows on that one
You are correct Dean. I think in time more states will follow Nevada. Regardless of whether its a "Law" or not, all 50 states should adhere as they will be held to the standards.
Most accessories are UL listed 994 for product safety
Like power supplies
In court sometimes it doesn't make a difference in what's law vs what's reasonable. I have been in court as an expert witness many times and you need to sometimes defend what you/they did to a jury and the attorney can paint the installer/locksmith as using unreasonable methods.
Corey, Agreed. That's why its important to follow UL/ ASTM and the Manual
My understanding is that these standards have been adopted into building codes but may not be enforced as yet
even if its not enforced when there is an court issue , your insurance may not cover you and you may lose in court because you are expected as a licensed contractor to follow the law.
Corey- Absolutely correct. Liability will be referenced to the Manual, UL-325 and F2200, as these are the "Standards" of our industry
from the recent CAGSD class workbook - Existing automated gates shall be upgraded to ASTM F2200 when the operator requires replacement. correct or not?
AHJ= Authority Having Jurisdiction
Is the term entrapment zone removed when the area is less than 2 1/4 in?
If the photo beam is intended for safety, where is the safety at 21" to 27.5" for a crawling infant?
If there is less than 2 1/4 in between post and moving gate is there still a need for the edge?
Is a camera system considered line of site?
Is it required that one of the safety devices be an A type of a B type
If inherent counts as 1 of 2 entrapment and you have less then 16" on a swing opening against a wall then we're covered? We always put an extra eye or edge
Is a inherent audio alarm still considered a type E secondary entrapment device on class111 installations?
If you have an entrapment- it needs a monitored device
Type E has been removed
A photo beam is a bad idea for an opening monitored device. In the event of an emergency and the photo beam is blocked, possibly by a limb or a leaf blown in front, the gate will not open. Not good if there is a fire, flood, etc. and the homeowner is panicking.
What about the new laser type sensors?
is there specific wording required
Laser is a great product but is not a Monitored Device (as of yet)
Could you go with a bi fold gate in the swing gate/police department instance? As long as the gate does not cross over the right away? And entrapment zones are in place?
do all gates require the ped gates, how about class 3 or 4
Can we install a photobeam on the draw in post for protection?
Does Controlled Products facilitate these certification courses/tests?
late question...can you put a lock on a gate as an override to prevent opening? maybe client wants to lockdown gate but not ped gate
how do we get our CAGOI credits?
Well done, thank you both for providing the training today. It was informative and pertinent.
yes, lots of good info and really like that you are sooooo accessible
does class 1 and 2 have to have a pedestrian access gate
Is it still 2 years experience before you can test and get certified?
I was certicied at a CPSG location
In terms of bikers using automated gates vs pedestrian gates……… what’s the rule here?
We’re here in Denver
BEA LZR100 works great in this instance
They pick up the bicyclists very well
It has a safety/monitored feature, but we back it up will additional photo eyes so we’re not reliant on it
Cool cool. Thx for everything guys
Thank you both for the great presentation and information!
Thanks for everything
thanks guys. stay safe
Appreciate you both. Always have.