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UL325/ASTM F2200 (2 Hr.) Review - Dealer Webinar - Shared screen with speaker view
Chetan
22:56
no sound
Spence Rees
23:38
Sound working here
Fkollmansperger
25:46
gate automation and designer school manual page 3.3 states that existing automated gates shall be upgraded to ASTM F2200 when the operator requires replacement, PLease explain that
Bob
26:09
can I record this
corey friedman
26:38
can you give permission for us to record or sendus a recording of this class
corey friedman
27:18
we can record on our own computer if you unlock it?
Zach Eichenberger
29:30
fkollmansperger - We will certainly discuss that aspect of the standards. Good call out.
Zach Eichenberger
29:46
Bob, we will send a link to the recording.
rpetry
40:45
Do manuals have more information on installations then the UL325 rules require? Such as loops which are not involved with life safety?
Zach Eichenberger
43:47
rpetry (Rick?) - Good point. Yes, they do include more information and you are correct about Loop. Loops are not addressed in UL as they are not "safety" devices. Remind me of that point if I don't bring it up in the UL section.
rpetry
44:35
Will do. Yes Rick
Brandon Felker
50:21
why do the TT100 Cantilever Wheels you sell at CPSG only come with 2 wheel Covers?
Zach Eichenberger
51:31
Brandon, I am not sure. Can I dig into that after the webinar and get back to you? I have taken a note to do so.
Brandon Felker
52:23
yes thank you
Fkollmansperger
53:09
why does the fence picket adhere to the spacing
Zach Eichenberger
54:51
Fkollmansperger - Are you asking if the pickets need to adhere to the 2-1/4" rule?
Brandon Felker
55:12
keep your Bollards 16" away from gates
Fkollmansperger
55:14
yes
Zach Eichenberger
58:19
Fkollmansperger - Good observation, and it's been debated. Here is the ASTM entry...…. 6.1.2 All openings shall be designed, guarded, or screened from the bottom of the gate to the top of the gate or a minimum of 72 in. (1.83 m) above grade, whichever is less, to prevent a 2 1⁄4 in. (57 mm) diameter sphere from passing through the openings anywhere in the gate, and in that portion of the adjacent fence that the gate covers in the open position. The gate panel shall include the entire section of the moving gate, including any back frame or counterbalance portion of the gate.
Brandon Felker
58:48
positive stop on the left picture is protruding more than 1/2" is that acceptable?
Brandon Felker
01:00:48
perfect thank you
Brandon Felker
01:02:15
can you leave the gate operator posts high to use that as a gate fall catch?
Steve
01:02:19
Can the operator be used for fall over. I am assuming as long as it doesn't fall over more then 45%?
Steve
01:02:26
45 degree
Fkollmansperger
01:05:06
How are you seeing the edges used, where located? bottom of the gate? on the column?
Robert Healey
01:07:44
Can I get a link for ACI??
Zach Eichenberger
01:08:03
Yes Robert. I will include that in the post show notes.
Robert Healey
01:08:51
Thank you
Randy
01:13:12
slide gate: no chain bracket tail ot guide roller tail?
Brandon Felker
01:14:56
what f2200 guidelines would be involved for a telescoping cantilever gate?
Brandon Felker
01:16:01
and is there any crazy guide lines for bi folding gates
Dean
01:17:04
In Nevada no option on this, Nevada has a Law that states you will follow UL and ASTM, I think still only state
Brandon Felker
01:18:03
Dean,Cant wait until Colorado follows on that one
Tim Nordstrom
01:18:18
You are correct Dean. I think in time more states will follow Nevada. Regardless of whether its a "Law" or not, all 50 states should adhere as they will be held to the standards.
rpetry
01:20:00
Most accessories are UL listed 994 for product safety
rpetry
01:20:20
Like power supplies
corey friedman
01:22:01
In court sometimes it doesn't make a difference in what's law vs what's reasonable. I have been in court as an expert witness many times and you need to sometimes defend what you/they did to a jury and the attorney can paint the installer/locksmith as using unreasonable methods.
Tim Nordstrom
01:22:48
Corey, Agreed. That's why its important to follow UL/ ASTM and the Manual
rpetry
01:24:28
My understanding is that these standards have been adopted into building codes but may not be enforced as yet
corey friedman
01:27:32
even if its not enforced when there is an court issue , your insurance may not cover you and you may lose in court because you are expected as a licensed contractor to follow the law.
Tim Nordstrom
01:28:55
Corey- Absolutely correct. Liability will be referenced to the Manual, UL-325 and F2200, as these are the "Standards" of our industry
graham
01:29:42
from the recent CAGSD class workbook - Existing automated gates shall be upgraded to ASTM F2200 when the operator requires replacement. correct or not?
Tim Nordstrom
01:37:55
AHJ= Authority Having Jurisdiction
rpetry
01:40:26
Is the term entrapment zone removed when the area is less than 2 1/4 in?
galen
01:47:03
If the photo beam is intended for safety, where is the safety at 21" to 27.5" for a crawling infant?
rpetry
01:50:34
If there is less than 2 1/4 in between post and moving gate is there still a need for the edge?
Russ
01:53:18
Is a camera system considered line of site?
Fkollmansperger
01:59:10
Is it required that one of the safety devices be an A type of a B type
Dean
02:03:25
If inherent counts as 1 of 2 entrapment and you have less then 16" on a swing opening against a wall then we're covered? We always put an extra eye or edge
Dale Kessler
02:05:07
Is a inherent audio alarm still considered a type E secondary entrapment device on class111 installations?
Tim Nordstrom
02:05:10
If you have an entrapment- it needs a monitored device
Tim Nordstrom
02:05:56
Type E has been removed
galen
02:08:43
A photo beam is a bad idea for an opening monitored device. In the event of an emergency and the photo beam is blocked, possibly by a limb or a leaf blown in front, the gate will not open. Not good if there is a fire, flood, etc. and the homeowner is panicking.
Spence Rees
02:15:31
What about the new laser type sensors?
corey friedman
02:16:11
is there specific wording required
Tim Nordstrom
02:16:24
Laser is a great product but is not a Monitored Device (as of yet)
Preston Garcia
02:18:50
Could you go with a bi fold gate in the swing gate/police department instance? As long as the gate does not cross over the right away? And entrapment zones are in place?
Fkollmansperger
02:18:50
do all gates require the ped gates, how about class 3 or 4
rpetry
02:20:03
Can we install a photobeam on the draw in post for protection?
Preston Garcia
02:23:23
Does Controlled Products facilitate these certification courses/tests?
corey friedman
02:24:22
late question...can you put a lock on a gate as an override to prevent opening? maybe client wants to lockdown gate but not ped gate
Dale Kessler
02:24:47
how do we get our CAGOI credits?
RKerben
02:25:05
Well done, thank you both for providing the training today. It was informative and pertinent.
corey friedman
02:25:51
yes, lots of good info and really like that you are sooooo accessible
Chetan
02:28:30
does class 1 and 2 have to have a pedestrian access gate
Dean
02:30:30
Is it still 2 years experience before you can test and get certified?
rpetry
02:30:47
I was certicied at a CPSG location
Preston Garcia
02:32:41
In terms of bikers using automated gates vs pedestrian gates……… what’s the rule here?
Preston Garcia
02:33:20
We’re here in Denver
Preston Garcia
02:34:22
BEA LZR100 works great in this instance
Preston Garcia
02:34:39
They pick up the bicyclists very well
Preston Garcia
02:35:18
It has a safety/monitored feature, but we back it up will additional photo eyes so we’re not reliant on it
Preston Garcia
02:35:58
Cool cool. Thx for everything guys
rpetry
02:36:16
Thank you both for the great presentation and information!
Spence Rees
02:36:29
Thanks for everything
Chetan
02:36:32
thanks guys. stay safe
galen
02:36:37
Appreciate you both. Always have.