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caitlin.tubergen
40:20
Thank you, Berry. This email was attached to the proposed agenda, for those of you following along on your own screen.
Matthew Crossman (RySG)
47:03
No problem, happy to help
Brian King
51:11
Hi all, sorry I’m late
Brian King
51:41
I’m in transit on mobile, but paying attention
Caitlin Tubergen
54:19
Note: city field is on the agenda for the plenary meeting on Thursday.
Caitlin Tubergen
57:05
To be clear, the response to this question will go in the addendum on the publication of city field.
Margie Milam (BC)
59:06
thanks!
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:02:31
Hi tatiana
Janis Karklins (EPDP Chair)
01:05:16
maybe legal committee may go on and try to agree on the wording. it would be with understanding that the NCSG is not part of consensus
Margie Milam (BC)
01:05:41
+1 Janis
Tatiana Tropina (NCSG)
01:06:03
agree. just mark me as not a part of consensus
Brian King (IPC)
01:08:37
agree Margie
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:12:37
+1 Janis
Berry Cobb
01:13:50
Also note, we are tight on time. We have until 24 March to publish and addendum initial report for inclusion into the final.
Berry Cobb
01:13:59
for Priority 2 items.
Laureen Kapin (GAC)
01:14:23
Also support Janis's path forward.
Berry Cobb
01:16:53
From staff's perspective, this is is in scope, but it is subject to further Council guidance as the phase 1 report had only one line about this without any kind of guidance what was intended to be considered.
Tatiana Tropina (NCSG)
01:22:05
I will take your note to NCSG Brian
Brian King (IPC)
01:22:26
Thanks Tania
Becky Burr (ICANN Board Liaison)
01:22:50
Who has standing to invoke the Accuracy Principle? We understand that a purpose of the Accuracy Principle is to protect the Data Subject from harm resulting from the processing of inaccurate information. Do others such as contracted parties, ICANN, law enforcement, IP rights holders and others have standing to invoke the Accuracy Principle under GDPR
Tatiana Tropina (NCSG)
01:23:31
all, I just got a note on emergency meeting at work :-/ I will have to drop in 10 minutes. Apologies!
Margie Milam (BC)
01:23:31
That works for me
Becky Burr (ICANN Board Liaison)
01:23:45
Thanks Tatiana
Margie Milam (BC)
01:28:23
Yes
Margie Milam (BC)
01:29:20
hybrid model means the SSAD may make decisions in certain predefined cases
Becky Burr (ICANN Board Liaison)
01:29:44
But Margie, is a “recommendation” the same as a decision?
Becky Burr (ICANN Board Liaison)
01:29:58
That’s what I’m confused about
Margie Milam (BC)
01:30:02
im not talking about recommendations
Janis Karklins (EPDP Chair)
01:33:09
need to leave. sorry
Brian King (IPC)
01:33:19
that’s good, thanks
Margie Milam (BC)
01:33:22
thanks
Margie Milam (BC)
01:33:36
I'm ok with the language
Caitlin Tubergen
01:34:46
To clarify, my understanding of the Initial Report’s recommendation is that the SSAD doe not make decisions, but recommendations to the CP.
Becky Burr (ICANN Board Liaison)
01:36:20
Can we just add another sentence? “Does your response change if some or all of the decisions are automated?"
Margie Milam (BC)
01:37:06
+1 Becky
Brian King (IPC)
01:37:28
Thanks Matt.
Brian King (IPC)
01:37:56
I agree with Becky’s added sentence too
Caitlin Tubergen
01:38:58
Matthew is correct with respect to the currently-proposed model (in the Initial Report)
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:39:10
Why does it matter to this question how ICANN makes the decision?
Berry Cobb
01:39:20
Based on the next agenda item, will review of the initial report by B&B provide this background?
Berry Cobb
01:39:40
or inform them to answer this questions with more clarity.
Margie Milam (BC)
01:40:30
I have to drop to drive
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:40:54
@Mathew of course automation has its own rules in GDPR, but for the purpose of this question why does it matter
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:41:10
Less risk is not good enought
Caitlin Tubergen
01:41:14
@Hadia - I think the point Matt is making is that ICANN via the SSAD is NOT making the decision to disclose; the SSAD just provides a recommendation to the CP. The CP makes the decision. (This is the current model proposed.)
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:42:24
Matt+1
Becky Burr (ICANN Board Liaison)
01:42:28
So the only relevant scenario for ICANN is automated decision making?
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:42:31
@Caitlain ICANN is some automated cases will be making the decsiosn
Matthew Crossman (RySG)
01:42:45
Correct
Becky Burr (ICANN Board Liaison)
01:43:31
You are breaking up badly
Becky Burr (ICANN Board Liaison)
01:43:34
brian
Andrea Glandon
01:43:37
@Brian, happy to dial out if needed
Brian King (IPC)
01:44:33
sorry, thanks Matt for flagging that
Brian King (IPC)
01:45:19
I’m happy with the takeaway from the last question.
Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC)
01:45:48
logging for a minute
Hadia’s iPhone
01:47:21
back again
Laureen Kapin (GAC)
01:47:44
This revision works for me.
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:49:56
Sorry, had to step aside for a second, what did we just decide?
Brian King (IPC)
01:51:18
Becky, can we consider the proximate cause issue I flagged on the list?
Brian King (IPC)
01:51:38
Sorry I’m not in a position to speak
Brian King (IPC)
01:51:49
AOB is fine
Caitlin Tubergen
01:52:36
Can the LC provide feedback on what elements of the Initial Report should be reviewed by B&B by COB tomorrow, Wednesday, 4 March?
Becky Burr (ICANN Board Liaison)
01:55:56
Yes, please everyone take a quick look. Caitlin et al, any areas that you think should go to B&B for review
Brian King (IPC)
01:56:27
Volker please share! I don’t think I’ve seen that
Berry Cobb
01:57:15
@Volker, this? https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/article29/item-detail.cfm?item_id=612053
Becky Burr (ICANN Board Liaison)
01:57:28
Perhaps we should revisit this question after reviewing the Article 29 EP guidance on automated decision-making
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:57:34
Yes, that is the one
Berry Cobb
01:57:35
https://www.twobirds.com/en/news/articles/2017/global/article-29-working-party-guidelines-on-automated-decision-making-and-profiling
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:58:18
Also helpful: https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/automated-decision-making-and-profiling/what-does-the-gdpr-say-about-automated-decision-making-and-profiling/
Brian King (IPC)
01:58:32
Thanks guys, will read and digest. And great suggestion, Matt.
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
01:59:35
If you are unsure whether a decision has a similarly significant effect on someone you should consider the extent to which it might affect, for example, their:financial circumstances;health;reputation;employment opportunities;behaviour; orchoices.The guidelines produced by WP29 include more advice on identifying legal or similarly significant effects.
Volker Greimann (RrSG)
02:00:42
I will need to review the accuracy decision whether we can support as I missed that discussion
Berry Cobb
02:00:51
we have two weeks of remote meetings to make up for Remote 67.