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Folger Community Conversation: Teaching Literature During COVID-19 - Shared screen with speaker view
Vicki Casarett
01:00:55
Is it important to provide the contexts of the authors and their works if the pieces are so diverse?
Jerry Cronin
01:01:53
Howard Zeiderman (just up the road at St. Johns College in Annapolis) has developed a Jr. great books program for Elementary/secondary/Junior college levels called Touchstones and he has a whole book on paired readings (modern and ancient). You might want to get in touch with him.
Jori Krulder
01:02:04
Jori
Sammie Smith
01:02:05
I’ll read
Vicki Casarett
01:02:06
vicki
Lesley Stanford
01:02:06
Lesley Stanford
John Sweeney
01:02:07
John
Geoffrey Glover
01:02:10
Geoffrey
Lindsay Thies
01:02:11
I’ll read
Farah Nations
01:02:13
farah
Donna Torres
01:02:14
I'll read
Adina Florsheim
01:02:15
I'll read
Allison daugherty
01:02:17
Allison
Jori Krulder
01:02:31
Can’t unmute
Allison daugherty
01:02:33
I’ll read later
Jori Krulder
01:03:05
It won’t let me
Sammie Smith
01:03:10
The host needs to unmute
Melissa Minjares
01:03:11
we can't unmute ourselves
Vicki Casarett
01:03:14
We can't unmute ourselves.
Vicki Casarett
01:06:04
chide
Allison daugherty
01:06:07
cheated
Donna Torres
01:06:10
Frustrated
Christine Eason
01:06:10
service
Geoffrey Glover
01:06:11
rebuke
Michelle Argent
01:06:12
Manhood
Michael Donohue
01:06:13
together
Tom Kim
01:06:13
marriage
Sammie Smith
01:06:14
give
Heather Sanderson
01:06:14
loyalty
Clare Berke
01:06:15
strong women
Tina Romanelli
01:06:16
marriage
Leslie Hill
01:06:16
Disappointed
Gina Perry
01:06:17
trust
Amber Smith
01:06:17
frustration
Kathleen Connon
01:06:17
pain
Erin Moughon
01:06:17
relationship
MR
01:06:17
disappointment
Donna Titus
01:06:18
devotion
Melissa Minjares
01:06:18
secondary
Jocelyn Campbell
01:06:18
unmake
Jori Krulder
01:06:18
Sacrifice
Gina Irizarry
01:06:19
plucked
Kathy Richerson
01:06:19
mariage
Sandra Toll
01:06:19
strong
Victoria Bonutti
01:06:20
YOU
debra weller
01:06:21
promises
Jerry Cronin
01:06:22
Frustration
Kristin Seed
01:06:23
sacrifice
Vickie Shurelds
01:06:23
frustration
Sandy Carlson
01:06:23
man
Carolyn Kintisch
01:06:24
sworn
debra weller
01:06:25
expectations
Adina Florsheim
01:06:25
hurt
Lesley Stanford
01:06:25
hopes
Miguel Zavala
01:06:25
Tender
Janice Schumann
01:06:26
buried
Susan Jones
01:06:26
feelings
Marianne Gazzola Angelella
01:06:26
man
Elizabeth Marmion
01:06:27
disappointment
rmichaelgros
01:06:27
sworn
Shelly Quimby
01:06:27
sacrifice
Lindsay Thies
01:06:27
betrayed
Jori Krulder
01:06:28
Unfair
Cherie Peacock
01:06:28
vicarious
Meghan Kempfe
01:06:32
made
Kristin Seed
01:06:34
powder struggle
Eileen Lynch
01:06:34
resilience
Lisa Montalbano
01:06:35
unmake
Denise Coulter
01:06:35
righteous
Kate Maurer
01:06:37
Marriage
Susan Corby
01:06:37
commitment
Heidi Foster
01:06:38
frustrated
Christina D'Emma
01:06:39
expectations
Haley Moehlis
01:06:40
secret
John Sweeney
01:06:41
lecture
Dale Scroggins
01:06:41
babe
Sheridan Steelman
01:06:43
pleading
Sharon Munroe
01:06:43
Selfishness
Kristin Seed
01:06:45
power
Laurie Kurnick
01:06:48
unfair
Marilyn Halperin
01:06:55
fail
Lesley Stanford
01:07:25
the wife wants more
Kara Beloate
01:07:25
sacrifice.
Lesley Stanford
01:07:41
They gave their husbands their all
Lesley Stanford
01:08:09
persuades
Gerry Fraser
01:08:52
Fed up
Lesley Stanford
01:09:03
hard work
Debby Irwin
01:09:09
disillusioned
Eileen Lynch
01:09:30
I said resilience because they were both trying to survive despite their disappointment with husband different approaches but both trying to make it.
Lesley Stanford
01:09:53
The Royal 'we'
Jori Krulder
01:11:04
Intense commentary on marriage and gender roles!
Sandra Toll
01:11:48
I have a question...
Sandra Toll
01:12:23
we engaged in rich dialogue because we are theater and lit pros but how can you get a bunch of unmotivated teens to engage?
Sandra Toll
01:12:58
that’s the issue I find often in my classes.
Jennifer Ehlers
01:13:19
We often underestimate our students, make assumptions.
Jori Krulder
01:13:36
I’ll admit I’m not familiar with Fences and I got a really good picture of that character. I think students would as well
Peggy O'Brien
01:14:04
Sandra, I made comment w/o having read your question. Trust them. They’ll get it.
Jori Krulder
01:14:41
Knows it’s going to come in first
Sandra Toll
01:14:55
I’m not underestimating them. I just have a lot of classes with a lot of kids thrown into them and I’ve had classes this year where it was difficult to engage a convo and I was just wondering if anyone had tips on how to get them more engaged.
Lesley Stanford
01:14:59
power strength
Lesley Stanford
01:15:06
yes
Shelly Quimby
01:15:16
she is self-survival man or no man
Kate Maurer
01:15:23
She is joined to something bigger than herself
Sandra Toll
01:15:32
I can think of one class right now that would be silent. I had it happen already while in remote learning.
debra weller
01:15:57
love that question!
Jennifer Ehlers
01:15:58
@Sandra...what grade level? Big class, big school?
Peggy O'Brien
01:16:02
Sandra, do this exercise with shorter passages or different ones . . . so they can get into it and practice thinking this way.
Lesley Stanford
01:16:07
me too
Sandra Toll
01:16:23
big classes, big school, most not into theater, need the credit
Meghan Kempfe
01:16:44
or perhaps with another text you are reading, if the character is not as strong, you might ask, which line does this character need to hear the most?
Jori Krulder
01:16:46
Sandra, I think I understand - I’m working on this as well. It’s why I love the Folger method. Doing this on Zoom is different than the classroom and I’ve found some success. Not nearly enough, though :) I’d love to chat with you and anyone else about engaging students online. jkrulder@pusdk12.org
Sandra Toll
01:18:13
@jori ok gotcha yeah this is my first experience with this. this will be a good method for a more advanced class.
Peggy O'Brien
01:18:28
Oh let’s talk more.
Tom Kim
01:18:33
obsession
Donna Torres
01:18:34
Hallucination
Lindsay Thies
01:18:35
Madness
Elizabeth Marmion
01:18:35
illusion
Vicki Casarett
01:18:35
hallucinations
Randall Findlay
01:18:35
sanity
Melissa Minjares
01:18:35
obsession
Haley Moehlis
01:18:36
frightened
Jeanie Wilks
01:18:36
madness
Jerry Cronin
01:18:36
Obsession
Sandy Carlson
01:18:38
grip
Erin Moughon
01:18:38
trapped
Jennifer Ehlers
01:18:39
Just there to earn a credit, Sandra.
Lisa Montalbano
01:18:40
vision
Michael Donohue
01:18:40
palpable
Meghan Kempfe
01:18:40
fear
Geoffrey Glover
01:18:41
doubt
MR
01:18:42
pain
Heidi Foster
01:18:42
fevered brain
Donna Titus
01:18:45
blood
Justin Charles
01:18:45
hallucinate
Farah Nations
01:18:45
dagger
Lisa Roche
01:18:47
vision
Denise Coulter
01:18:47
Rationalizing
Shelly Quimby
01:18:48
madness
Gina Perry
01:18:51
voverpoering
Allison daugherty
01:18:53
do I see?
Christine Eason
01:18:53
stylistic device
Kathy Richerson
01:18:53
doubt
Sammie Smith
01:18:57
clutch
Adina Florsheim
01:19:00
stress
Janice Schumann
01:19:04
Bloody business
Marianne Gazzola Angelella
01:19:04
Gathering power
Vicki Casarett
01:19:21
the would like the madness
Eileen Lynch
01:19:36
intense….they’d think it was intense.
Gerry Fraser
01:19:40
Fear
Allison daugherty
01:19:45
It’s somehow more personal….first person..what’s going on inside me.
Alicia Edwards
01:19:51
If they are on their feet, having to act it out or doing a tableau, they will love it
Denise Coulter
01:20:11
Lady M.
Donna Titus
01:20:14
I would connect these passages to the Jungian concept of the Shadow, and to the theme of guilt.
Farah Nations
01:20:27
they love the wild emotion
Jennifer Ehlers
01:21:02
Yes! Many of my students thrive on "wild emotion".
Anne
01:21:07
Is there a good source for good texts to pair together?
Jerry Cronin
01:21:13
I put the obsession side by side with Cpt. Ahab: to he last I grapple with thee; for hates sake I spit at thee!
Jori Krulder
01:21:15
Thank you Stefanie! I can see so many possibilities here
Eileen Lynch
01:22:10
Will you be supplying these pairs for us as a takeaway?
Jori Krulder
01:22:17
I have another zoom starting. Sorry to miss the next part, but thank you so much for this. Looking forward to the next meeting :)
Corinne Viglietta
01:22:26
Yes! Everything will posted on the website.
Corinne Viglietta
01:22:35
https://www.folger.edu/teaching-during-covid-19
Eileen Lynch
01:22:58
thanks Corinne
Lesley Stanford
01:23:15
I pair with music also
debra weller
01:25:34
I love this distinction between paired texts and texts we would use to build backgound or help students enter the text. It's opening up new possiblilities for me
Peter A Carey
01:26:32
what is the name the poetry collection?
Folger Education
01:26:45
Citizen: An American Lyric
Eileen Lynch
01:26:50
I think she said Citizen
Stefanie Jochman
01:26:52
Citizen by Claudia Rankine
Peter A Carey
01:26:59
Thank you
John Sweeney
01:27:27
Please someone, Who is poet who wrote Citizen?
Corinne Viglietta
01:27:36
Claudia Rankine
John Sweeney
01:27:45
thanks
Skip Nicholson
01:27:57
https://www.amazon.com/Citizen-American-Lyric-Claudia-Rankine-ebook/dp/B00MLLZQ64/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=rankine+citizen&qid=1590019255&sr=8-1
Gerry Fraser
01:28:23
Must leave. Thanks you so much!
Susan Jones
01:30:01
Sorry. I have to go. thanks everyone.
Denise Coulter
01:31:36
The betrayal he feels with Ophelia and R & G.
Vicki Casarett
01:32:10
It's also like Langston Hughes's poem "A Raisin in the Sun."
Lesley Stanford
01:32:20
the insult to his father's memory by his mother
Melissa Minjares
01:32:25
or Ophelia's bewilderment when addressed by Hamlet so many time
Erin Moughon
01:32:44
I’m also getting Ophelia vibes in hearing “Get thee to a nunnery”
Donna Torres
01:32:49
Thank you. Have a lovely evening.
Jennifer Ehlers
01:33:06
"You know what you said. I know what I heard." I keep this quote posted in my room as a reminder to my students, to us all.
Kathy Richerson
01:33:47
Sorry, I need to check out, but I've enjoyed this very much. Hope to join again next week. Be safe.
debra weller
01:33:50
all the rest is silence
Christine Eason
01:33:53
everyone dies! ha
Sandra Toll
01:34:36
I’ll read
Eileen Lynch
01:34:48
I have a loud background sorry
M s
01:34:50
The other Folger COVID-19 t-shirt: "We can tell you what happened in the end."
Amber Smith
01:35:00
This is amazing! Thank you. I have to start dinner for my son’s birthday. See you next week!
Jerry Cronin
01:35:43
Forgiveness isn't evident in either passage. Hamlet can't just forgive in a Christian sense so everything else HAS to play out the way it did.
Alicia Edwards
01:36:14
In light of Ahmad Arbery's recent death, this is particularly poignant
Jerry Cronin
01:36:39
They always say Hamlet's fatal foible in his lack of action...he kills polonius...I think it is that he doesn't forgive his uncle. Think of the chapel scene,
Denise Coulter
01:36:56
Laertes
Eileen Lynch
01:37:01
I was thinking about that too. So timely.
Laurie Kurnick
01:37:24
also Gertrude in the closet scene
Melissa Minjares
01:37:25
Not such a nice uncle or stepfather
Clare Berke
01:37:51
I think there's also a connection with the friends of Hamlet, who no longer understand him.
Meghan Kempfe
01:38:02
I can see some cool creative writing assignments coming into play...writing from the other person's POV
Vickie Shurelds
01:38:17
We just finished Ghost Boys, this would have been a great paired text.
Lindsay Thies
01:38:32
I see Laertes and Hamlet’s exchange at the end of the play as they are forgiving each other too late.
Denise Coulter
01:38:40
Exactly.
Erin Moughon
01:38:43
Super helpful. Thank you
Sandra Toll
01:39:12
I’ll read
Dita Verma
01:39:50
Seems? No, it is!
Denise Coulter
01:39:59
Seems, madam?
Jerry Cronin
01:40:33
Buy Hamlet is the ONLY one who sees the ghost? He's taking the word of this spirit and then what is the ghost's agenda in all this?
Meghan Kempfe
01:41:10
This can pair amazingly well with so many gender role texts. I never read Citizen, but I LOVE these pieces, they are wowing me.
Vicki Casarett
01:41:13
Others see the Ghost and report to Hamlet, who then talks to him.
Kate Kenney
01:41:13
No, Marcellus and Bernardo and Horatio all see the ghost too
Mark Jordan
01:41:15
Much like the encounter with Rosencrantz and Guildernstern - first and last.
Lesley Stanford
01:41:54
very
Tina Romanelli
01:41:59
It's so helpful! Thank you so much for sharing!
Denise Coulter
01:42:10
Very interesting. Thanks for this!
Peter A Carey
01:42:25
this is excellent - Thank you
Lindsay Thies
01:42:32
Excellent! Thank you!
Laurie Kurnick
01:42:41
Thank you!! Loved all of it
Melissa Minjares
01:42:44
Thanks so much for the encouragement to bring Citizen into my classroom! I'm going to do it!
debra weller
01:42:47
inspiring, thanks
rmichaelgros
01:42:52
Brava!
Kathleen Connon
01:42:53
Thank you..
Dita Verma
01:43:00
thank-you very much. I’ll use this in my classes
Melissa Minjares
01:43:08
Stephanie, the paired text demo was EXTRAORDINARILY helpful!
Janie Fitzgerald
01:43:23
Thank you!
Melissa Minjares
01:43:28
Any Shakespeare ideas to go with The Grapes of Wrath?
Adina Florsheim
01:43:29
Thank you for bringing some much needed brightness to my day!
Marianne Gazzola Angelella
01:43:32
Thank you for the intro to Claudia Rankine- I am a theatre teacher and I am THRILLED to know her work. Thank you.
Clare Berke
01:43:55
Thank you! Powerful!
Lesley Stanford
01:44:00
Caliban's situation just came to my mind with this last piece
debra weller
01:44:31
yes, lesley
Vickie Shurelds
01:44:34
Thank you, Donna - so powerful!
Leslie Hill
01:44:53
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and ideas with us! This was fantastic! Practical skills I can apply in my classroom. Thank you!
Vicki Casarett
01:45:12
It is very disappointing that our school district sees no sense in teaching Shakespeare to seniors. Does anyone else have that experience?
Lesley Stanford
01:45:18
How can we get the slides?
Farah Nations
01:45:33
i do Vicki!
Corinne Viglietta
01:45:59
All will be here: https://www.folger.edu/teaching-during-covid-19
Folger Education
01:46:00
I will be posting the PPT as I missed recording the very beginning of the Community Conversation.
Lesley Stanford
01:46:00
we became the students
debra weller
01:46:02
sorry to hear that vicki. I know people in my district like that. fortunately, we ignore him
Vicki Casarett
01:46:03
What do you think, Farah?
Jennifer Ehlers
01:46:04
Why no Shakespeare for seniors? We have it at every rgade level 9-12 and optional 6-8.
Jerry Cronin
01:46:22
The Shakespeare Company in Washington, DC brought in a group from the Pacific northwest. Let me look...
Lesley Stanford
01:46:47
yeds
Lesley Stanford
01:46:54
sorry yes
Kara Beloate
01:46:59
This was very inspiring, Thank you!
Vicki Casarett
01:47:19
Rationale: students had Shakespeare for 3 years; the language no longer applies to the needs of the senior year, which is focused on more relevant philosophers and social issues.
Jennifer Ehlers
01:47:21
Have advanced students read a passage, discuss it and hve them find a paird piece to share.
Farah Nations
01:47:23
all grades can study shakespear
Anne
01:47:30
Thank you so much, Donna and Stephanie. This was amazing!
Jane Tracy
01:47:31
Thank you!
Elizabeth Marmion
01:47:34
Thank you!!!!
Shelly Quimby
01:47:35
thank you/ diolch
Vicki Casarett
01:47:38
Thank you.
Jennifer Ehlers
01:47:56
@Vicki...so sad.
Dale Scroggins
01:47:58
othello/citizen....excellent! thanks!
Jeanie Wilks
01:48:00
incredible muse.
M s
01:48:02
and the chat thread! Please
Lesley Stanford
01:48:05
Thank you so much
Kristin Seed
01:48:10
Thank you so much! Learned so much
Lisa Montalbano
01:48:15
Thank you
Jerry Cronin
01:48:17
Slainte!
Shannon Johnson
01:48:21
Thank you!