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Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
25:27
I am lecturer at the University in Madrid, and due to the Covid19 we had to work from home
Mirna Dzamonja
25:48
Great Ali
Mirna Dzamonja
25:50
thanks
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
26:02
It was difficult since we have always worked from the streets, but now we did not have any opportunity to go out
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
26:13
so we decided to work from the situation we really had on our hands - Covid19
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
26:49
The first point is that, even though we have so many social media, the TV has got the most of the success
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
27:24
This is important since most of the TV viewers have been old people and children, and not teenagers
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
28:39
Despite the great usage of TV and other traditional media, the audience has believed less tan ever
Mirna Dzamonja
28:57
Now she has the slides …
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
29:06
Oh, sorry ;)
Mirna Dzamonja
29:33
No, it is great that you are doing it, but just to save you the effort :-)
Meenaxi Barkataki Ruscheweyh
33:23
I really think it is nice If Ali continues with his commentary...the slides don't say everything
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
33:45
Yes, I Will write down those things that are not on the slides ;)
Meenaxi Barkataki Ruscheweyh
34:04
Great, thanks for this...
Balsa Stevanovic
34:12
Thanks Ali! :)
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
34:24
I have been thinking of the following questions - do we really understand what are we talking about?
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
34:41
Since the very beginning I have understood this situation as a war due to the vocabulary used by the media
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
34:59
however, there were big differences, since in the war we had a real enemy, visible
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
35:20
in this Covid19 situation we didn't, instead there was an invisible enemy, but we were quiet at our homes
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
35:26
with no fear to be killed, even from home
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
36:10
It is interesting that we have observed that the same war vocabulary has also arised in Bosnia
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
36:24
and we have arrived to a situation in a total-war-like atmosphere
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
36:50
After all of this, we have arrived to a point called "NEW" normality
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
36:56
How could a normality be new?
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
37:29
The new normality is not something new indeed
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
37:48
since we already live in a new normality since 10 years ago
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
37:55
a normality of weak jobs
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
38:04
protests: Libanon...
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
38:20
So, WHAT is ACTUALLY going to be this "NEW" normality?
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
38:39
when I was a child I went out and a policement took me by the hand and drove me back home again
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
38:46
it was a NEW normality - the war
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
38:53
we had the same, from being out to the lockdown
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
38:58
with no transition time
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
39:42
IT is difficult for me to give an ending to my stories
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
40:00
and in fact I prefer the stories to be open, so that the listener can créate his/her own conclusions
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
40:25
I also try to be paceful whenever I make an interview
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
40:34
and then I found something called "SOlution journalism"
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
41:13
and I realised that I wasn't making "pace" or "activist" journalism. INstead, I was trying to go beyond the problems, to find together the future
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
41:29
this is the solution journalism, based in data, which tries to show us answers to social problems
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
41:36
among streets, countries, societies...
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
41:51
and try to provoke a social reaction towards what is being lived
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
42:03
I believe this kind of journalism might be a great help to people
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
42:17
to people who might feel overwhelmed at home, in this "war" vocabulary context
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
42:32
Journalism is Usually based on these 4 questions
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
42:42
the solution journalism focus on the question of the "how"
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
42:56
"okey, these are the data. How can we go beyond?"
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
42:58
As an example:
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
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"Every single topic can be attacked from the perspective of the solution.
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
43:23
A Project arrived to a bad Street in New york
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where woman have to born in full loneliness
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
43:46
and be pregnant with no help
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
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and due to some activities of this journalism, a gorup of people came to the Street and gave their company
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
44:16
and Little by Little this might become an activity from the STATE
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
44:28
so Solution Journalism is one way to improve the world
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
45:02
Solution Journalism tries to go deeper into the story, not only telling it, but inderstading the how and the why
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
45:23
in Europe, the Covid19 has been a Good topic for the SJ
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
45:28
(Solution Journalism)
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
45:37
and many people have been comparing their countries with Germany
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
45:55
under the assumption that Germany has been the best country, regarding the covid19 situation
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
46:09
a Journalist used the SJ to understand this fact
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
46:13
why Germany?
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
46:19
what is different?
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
46:43
When our countries say "we cannot compare with Germany" we can answer "yes, we ca, since we have a similar infraestructura"
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46:51
The same with Sweden
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
47:13
So, from this perspective is how I think we should tell the stories from the Covid19
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
47:52
I have to say that this stories are more helped by private TV media
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
48:04
and these are some of the Works I did with the SJ perspectiv
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
48:15
this work is about woman-violation during the war in Bosnia
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
48:17
(silovanje)
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48:40
The voices of these woman has achieved that violation has been considered as a "war crime"
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48:49
so their testimonies ARE important
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
48:58
The last year an association was created
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
49:06
"Children born due to violations during the war"
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
49:22
This grown-children (now adults) are asking people to be aware
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
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and to openly talk about their situations
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
49:42
Now I ask an open question
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
49:47
giving the example of these woman
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49:50
not as victims
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49:51
but as woman
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who have achieved to open new perspectives and new considerations on their solutions
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50:17
another topic is prostitution
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
50:34
I did not want to take any opinión, only to talk with people into prositution
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50:37
to know their points
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50:48
"Do we have to make it legal?"
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and those questions
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
51:05
Or I also worked about suicide
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
51:15
We've been taught not to talk about suicide
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
51:24
thinking that talking about it makes it grow
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
51:40
however, new research has shown that talking about suicide can diminish the number of suicide
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
51:51
in this report we shown that it is important to talk about it
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
52:17
and that many people whose parents have died from suicide have no real name - orphans? No institutional name
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52:20
And also
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52:26
Children loses his parents - orphan
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parent loses his child - no name. Why?
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
53:00
During the Refugees situation
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
53:07
I decided to talk about my experience
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
53:20
when I was a refugee we had the same amount of unemployment
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53:24
and people got together
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53:30
and gave residence to refugees
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53:45
however, current refugees have not enjoyed the same help
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
53:55
why, if we have the same economic conditions?
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
53:58
This is SJ
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
54:09
These are some examples of my students' topics
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54:11
on SJ
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all from home
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I was really afraid, since they did not have any chance to do Street interviews
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
54:45
however, the Online world with conferences like ours can be a great opportunity
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
54:56
and a SOLUTION for JOURNALIST to Works from the distance
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
55:05
and here you have different journals that are working on SJ
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55:15
I know there is no ideal solution to the covid19
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
55:30
but I agree that we must give a more complex, and better-constructed speech
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
55:36
to avoid apathy from the listeners
MARIA CLARA CORTES
58:23
I have a question
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:02:52
Q: What about censorship?
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:03:11
A: sadly it's something real, and the media are in it
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:03:34
in the media there has been a speech on "war" and the "new normality": no protests, no revolutions
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:03:46
And the lockdown has been great for the states to keep people at home
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:03:58
thus avoidint protests
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:04:13
we have also found that WhatsApp and other technologies have been really used
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:04:13
but
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01:04:24
they also make it easier to modify the information
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:04:36
for example, the speech about the last Serbian elections
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:04:47
and I think the mathematicians here can give some information on this
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:04:58
on how the algorithms and bots are being used to manipulate
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:05:04
Q: how old is the SJ?
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:05:07
A: 20 years
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:05:15
but there's been a boom short time ago
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:05:31
but I think the new media are not so interested in it yet
Meenaxi Barkataki Ruscheweyh
01:33:43
I wanted to make a remark...
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:33:58
Me too
Cristina Criste
01:44:07
Maybe this is a sitution determined by the totalitarian past. People were used to a kind of double thinking. Czeslav Milosz wrote a very nice book about this situation: La pensee captive.
MARIA CLARA CORTES
01:44:14
What you are describing happens also here in Colombia: at the beginning poor people said Coronavirus was a virus for rich people
MARIA CLARA CORTES
01:44:54
it says a lot of the division of the society
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:45:47
Good point - different mindsets among different economic classes
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:49:20
Thank you for inviting me
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:49:42
I Will start with a question
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01:49:53
Here we are mathematicians, journalists, historicians...
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01:50:02
and we've tried to think about what is going to be after the pandemic
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01:50:15
and somehow solidarity has been a joining topic
Mirna Dzamonja
01:50:35
Thanks a lot Ali, this is really useful
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:50:40
In Mexico we've a hard complication, like in all Latin American
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:50:51
and probably Mexico has the biggest number of infected people
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:51:07
we were supposed to enter the new normality last week, but many people say it is a new "mortality"
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:51:14
everyday is even unclearer what is going to be
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:51:31
and there is another question - is the pandemic going to end any day?
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:51:47
we're given new info every day about the virus
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01:51:51
so nothing is clear
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:52:01
we've observed a growth of unemployment
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:52:10
and it's been very difficult to lockdown people,
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:52:21
since there's a big number of poor people who must work to survive
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01:52:39
and also people seem not to learn from the past
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:52:59
if we study old pandemics we observe that everybody behave lake before the pandemic
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:53:02
the nature repares itself
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:53:11
but as soon as we allow people to go out
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01:53:21
people decided to go shopping
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:53:34
we're very used to consumism, and it's an escape from reality
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01:53:35
but
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01:53:44
exiting the lockdown to do a queue?..
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:53:46
it is something silly
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:53:54
Idk what do you think about this
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:54:06
Andres: We could open the topic for everybody
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:54:28
we're here because we have the desire to (I couldnt heare)
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:54:54
We've seen these last days people aglomerations in Zara and other places like that
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:54:56
however
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01:55:06
there's been some changes
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:55:12
regarding the infrastructures
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:55:20
For example,universities
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:55:28
Q: What is your opinión about universities?
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01:55:36
A: I think Un are very important institution
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:55:47
especially the one in which I work in Mexico
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:55:48
but
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:55:52
there's an important change
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01:56:04
since due to the new politics, many channels are been cancelled out
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01:56:11
scholarships are closed
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:56:30
yesterday we had an earthquake in Mexico
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01:56:37
and many archeological places have suffered from it
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01:56:51
and since the 75% or the resources for this fields have been cancelled out
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01:56:59
so now there are no sustain of the national heritage
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:57:14
without making any negative comparision, I compare the following
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:57:23
in Perú there's a huge pre-hispanic heritage
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01:57:37
but there's no state institution to care of this heritage
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:57:47
for example, the Museum [...] is private
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:59:33
since the resources have been limited, who knows what is the future?
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:59:35
also for students
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:59:44
the pandemic produces important lacks of many things
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
01:59:53
and the breakdown of traiditional structures
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:00:04
so that I understand some money-saving measurments
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:00:08
but it is dangerous
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:00:20
and many institutions is on the Edge od an económical crisis
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:00:27
Brasil, Colombia, Mexico...
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:00:32
are*
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:00:43
There's been some Good things
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:00:45
for example
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:01:07
I've observed on my garden some new animals that have never been before
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:01:12
or at least haven't for a long time
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:01:14
bees, birds
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:01:15
but
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:01:23
what is going to happen after the pandemic?
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:01:30
when we come back to the crowded streets
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:01:31
cars
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02:01:34
and in MExico city
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:01:36
so polluted
Mirna Dzamonja
02:01:43
Could you ask her what she feels about having an inspiration in the time of a lockdown? We have time bit do we have an inspiration?
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:01:59
It Will be destroyed everything we've got so far
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:02:07
Q: [Mirna]
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
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A:
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:02:29
Well, in the very beginning I started to write a dairy of the pandemic
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:02:42
and I was related with many people who also were writing about the pandemic
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:02:46
and I published some thing
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:02:47
s
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:02:49
however
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:02:54
at the end I got tired of it
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:02:59
and I feel uninspired
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:03:08
since I don't know what to write about
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:03:18
if I start writing about this I get a catastrophe feeling
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:03:25
I've been 3months without going out
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:03:37
and it gives us many humour changes
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:03:40
I read a lot
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:03:43
which is important
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:03:46
and it keeps me calm
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:03:59
but sometimes I thought it is useless
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:04:04
why? which future?
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:04:17
Nevertheless, I decided recently to work with other writers
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:04:23
on the topic of the lockdown
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:04:27
contact
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02:04:29
infections
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02:04:30
and so on
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:04:37
and we had some talk about an interesting character
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:04:41
Robinson Crusoe
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:04:58
Robinson Crusoe is the archetip about human-universal situations
Meenaxi Barkataki Ruscheweyh
02:05:00
Does she sometimes have a feeling when she reads stories written before the pandemic that they do not make any sense any more, given the changed circumstances?
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:05:04
like the extremal individualism
Balsa Stevanovic
02:05:15
Could you also ask how the combination of Eastern European origin with the fact of being born and raised in Mexico influenced her approach to literature.
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:05:21
these topics were in a XVIII century book
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:05:37
literature is a huge tool for exploration
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:05:41
so I felt inspired again
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:06:06
another author, Casanova, is interesting because he makes you think about
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:06:07
delirium
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02:06:09
afliction
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02:06:21
For example, the MeToo movement
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and others
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02:06:28
with their consequences
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02:06:34
are related with the figure of Casanova
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02:06:43
we'll talk about other novels next week
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:06:51
Cawabata
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02:07:01
which talks about another kind of "enclosing"
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the "enclosing" of the woman as an object
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02:07:13
in a closed space
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:07:33
woman aslept to be with man
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:07:42
and we're also thinking about work on
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:07:51
how the lockdown has been important for many writers
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:08:00
which have decided to go beyond reality
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:08:03
for exaple Prousy
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:08:05
Proust
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02:08:22
or Tolstoj
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02:08:31
how he got into a lockdown to write
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:08:35
or Casanova itself
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:08:45
who was given a job at a library
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02:08:48
when he got old
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:08:53
and he worked there 13years
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02:08:56
writing his memories
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02:09:05
(library in a castle)
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:09:10
and it's the most famous book of him
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:09:15
so the lockdown is very productive
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:09:21
it can give many Good things
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:09:24
but also bad
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:09:29
what ae your thoughts?
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:09:36
Amazing answer
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:09:42
so many posibilities open
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:09:48
just from the list of authors
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:10:06
this very list of authors is a reminder that those connections are there
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:10:12
and we're looking for the same
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:10:16
literature, maths...
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:10:23
I'd like to make you another question
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02:10:34
On your own experience as a person between two culture
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02:10:35
s
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you're a Mexican writer
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02:10:47
but your culture comes from Ukraine
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so you've been living in a world between two literature-famed cultures
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02:11:15
East Europe and Mexico
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02:11:23
My question is
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02:11:46
Is your personal story a big influence on your response to the current situation?
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A:
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02:12:03
I started writing fiction later on in my life, publishing when I was 50
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02:12:08
I was born in 1930
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02:12:13
my parents came in 1925
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02:12:15
im 90 years old
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02:12:36
and the genealogies I wrote worked to show what does it mean to live in that world between two cultures
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02:12:46
my fathers, jews, were not religious
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02:12:50
but very traditional
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02:12:56
they didn't teach me Russian
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02:13:11
I learnt that my father knew Ukranian just before he died
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02:13:17
but I never learnt Russian
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02:13:26
So I had to read Dostojevski in Spanish and French
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02:13:29
and not in Russian
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02:13:44
so I am a kind of an ignorant of my mother languages
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02:13:51
So
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02:13:54
I was Mexican
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02:13:57
but
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I had the JEw-nostalgy
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02:14:12
when I was 7, my neighbours were given Xmass presents
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02:14:16
but not me - I was a jew
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02:14:35
In the Saint Week (Eastern) some statues were burnt
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02:14:42
they were burning Judas
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02:14:50
but it seems like if they were burning Jews
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02:14:56
then I married a non-jew
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02:15:01
and it was an exilium
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02:15:13
I was ne of the small number of braves
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02:15:22
brave to scape the jew roots
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02:15:25
transgressive
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02:15:31
I decided to study literature
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02:15:36
I moved abroad to France
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02:15:39
I did a PhD there
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02:15:52
and I learnt a new visión apart from the JEw and the MExican
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02:16:00
which is the European-French tradition
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02:16:02
and to sum up
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02:16:07
I've been a teacher for many years
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02:16:14
but I've been creating many less years
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02:16:21
I'm an old teacher but a Young writer
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02:16:41
It was difficult to be considered as a writer by others
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02:16:46
I was "academic"
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02:16:52
but now people call em a writer
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02:16:55
and even more
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02:17:01
now I am a "Twitter"
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02:17:18
It's been also important for me to read
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02:17:20
and to write
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02:17:25
and it is a kind of a lockdown
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02:17:31
you must be locked to write
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02:17:33
but nowadays
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02:17:41
I miss the relation with my people
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02:17:45
I can't give the hand
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02:17:48
Where my students
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02:17:54
I can't hug my daughters
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02:17:59
But I can be at Zoom
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02:18:05
and see beautifel faces
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02:18:08
but I can't touch you
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02:18:10
smell
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02:18:21
all the senses converge to the seight
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02:18:24
but a limited seight
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02:18:34
only the upper body
MARIA CLARA CORTES
02:18:34
tengo una pregunta
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02:18:44
the lockdown of the writer is necessary
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02:18:49
but the pandemic lockdown is not human
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02:18:52
we lose the humanity
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02:18:55
we lose the body
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02:18:59
what do u think?
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02:19:07
Andrés: Absolutely
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02:19:09
and very strong
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02:19:19
there are some question
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02:19:53
Thank you for your answers
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02:19:57
they're a big inspiration
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02:20:00
I'd like to ask you
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02:20:13
How do you plan your future writings?
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02:20:20
Have you already got the characters?
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02:20:26
Are you already thinking about it?
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02:20:30
How do you feel it?
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A:
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As I was telling
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02:20:41
the lockdown has given me ups and downs
ESMA KUCUKALIC
02:20:43
A short question
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02:20:46
in humour
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02:20:51
but also in writing
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02:20:56
I started with a diary
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02:21:00
but then it became mainstream
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02:21:10
I got tired
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02:21:18
I published some articles on the newspaper
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02:21:22
but it was more of the same
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the same mindset
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so I changed my mindset
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02:21:42
and I collected a set of news and Tweets of mine
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02:21:55
And I've been working on some poems by Parra
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which are Tweet-like
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so I am writing about this situation from a diagonal perspective
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02:22:20
blurred somehow
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02:22:29
People is losing the sense of humour and irony
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02:22:45
People considers literally metaphorically-said sentences
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so I decided to write a book
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in fragments
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in Tweets
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02:23:09
I have some characters from my book "El rastro"
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and in general I blur the characters in a different way
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and now in a book "Por mirarlo todo nada veía"
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so I could use these Tweets
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02:23:43
to make some confrontation with Parra
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02:23:51
and his new poetry
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02:24:00
that might be a revolution in writing
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02:24:05
we always write in the same way
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02:24:07
nowadays
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02:24:18
all the books are like in the 19th century
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02:24:24
but we do not write like that anymore
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02:24:30
so we should write like we do in the social media
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02:24:35
I started making aforisms
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02:24:39
and nobody wanted to publish it
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02:24:50
because of being "non-selleable"
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02:24:57
Where to sell them??
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02:25:00
AForism!!
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02:25:05
Hahahaha
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02:25:07
so in general
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02:25:15
my literature is not confined to a genre
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02:25:37
I work with many authors
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02:25:53
And I've used an author
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02:25:55
she's great
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02:26:06
I disolve characters
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02:26:15
and now I Will use the Tweet structure
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02:27:12
A:
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I'm not saying my style is THE style
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02:27:34
it's just mine
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02:27:38
but I also say
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that literature-structures have got stuck
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02:28:11
For example
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02:28:25
If as a South-American writer I don't use the archetypical structures
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02:28:29
Márquez...
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02:28:48
It was imposible for me to publish if I wrote in that way
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02:28:52
nowadays
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02:29:00
if we don't write about our circumstances
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02:29:05
Drugs, mafia
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02:29:14
IN the 19th century
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people used Rubinson Crusoe-like books to explain their problems
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02:29:32
now we use other literature
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02:29:41
to make metaphores of the reality
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02:29:54
and that's whe we need journalism
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02:30:28
Many successfull books Will be forget soon
Meenaxi Barkataki Ruscheweyh
02:30:38
wow! thanks
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02:32:07
t's a pleaseure to here youI'm writing down all your pointsspecially about this nowadays mindset of reductionto write everything in 140 characters= Tweetit's all the nowadays aestheticsI try to follow new generationsand they work in fragmentationand they cannot pay attentionto filmsbooks
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02:32:20
so Tweet-like literaure is really appropiate
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02:32:33
A:
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02:32:39
I realised many things
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02:32:51
For example in MExico we've had 23000 deaths
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02:32:55
due to the covic19
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02:33:02
but the Narcos have burt alive 16 people
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02:33:13
and 200000 people have liced to due vandalism
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02:33:17
so the comparision is
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02:33:26
23000 vs 200000
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02:33:32
the covid19 is important
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02:33:37
but... it's not sooooo big
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02:33:44
if we realativise
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02:33:49
why do I really need to be at home?
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02:33:52
I am at risk, of course
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02:33:56
but I also know
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02:34:09
that the Mexican society is suffering from way worse situations
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02:34:16
that créate bigger economical problems
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02:34:29
I've just learnt that a lot of people is getting fired in Zoom
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02:34:49
I can change somebody's life by Zoom
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02:34:57
so this is even more inhuman
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02:35:00
and here we are
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02:35:04
Sadly I must go
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02:35:07
and I'm very tired
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02:35:10
It's been a pleasure
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02:35:20
in this chaotic speech of mine
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02:35:23
thank you very much
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02:35:29
and see you soon hopefully
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02:35:33
Good bye!!
Meenaxi Barkataki Ruscheweyh
02:36:15
She is the most impressive 90 year old I know!
Mirna Dzamonja
02:36:24
Indeed !
Andrés Villaveces
02:36:33
indeed
Alejandro Martín
02:36:59
I am sorry, I can’t pause. I prefer now.
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:38:36
Thank you very much
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02:38:42
I'm very happy to be here with you
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02:38:47
and I'm Reading the rext I've prepared
Mirna Dzamonja
02:38:49
Thank you Ali for your translation !
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02:38:54
I feel like im leaving in the time
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02:39:00
There's no space
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02:39:02
only time
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02:39:05
I can hear thunders
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02:39:08
but no faces
Meenaxi Barkataki Ruscheweyh
02:39:09
what would we do without Ali!
Mirna Dzamonja
02:39:18
:-)
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02:39:18
some child went to the war
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02:39:19
no face
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02:39:23
the man sai it's gonna rain
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02:39:26
she does not believe
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02:39:29
they talk in Guaraní
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02:39:32
I read the text in SPanish
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02:39:36
today I found some dad rats
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02:39:46
today the housekeeper is ill
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02:39:50
sooon the dead Will be here
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02:39:54
nobody can go out nor enter
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02:39:59
everyday I check the numbers
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02:40:10
somebody cover the monument of the conquerer
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02:40:18
with a cloth with the Machu Pichu rocks painting
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02:40:20
I hear vocices
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02:40:24
they're killing us
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02:40:31
somebody writes their mind
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02:40:47
a team of cameramen are recording the Chicacgo Bulls
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02:40:52
Michel Jordan everywhere
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02:40:58
three years after we can watch it
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02:41:04
watching him was amazing
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02:41:16
with Laura we decided to see my sister and father in Bogotá
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02:41:24
we took a plane before the airports got closed
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02:41:26
in the plane
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02:41:30
we all were afraid to breathe
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02:41:40
in the while, they're still there
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02:41:46
somebody in Tokio plans a city
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02:41:50
the Olimpics Will be soon
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02:41:59
the're an army revolution
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02:42:16
in the while, In some comedy I see the joke that Donald Trump Will be the president
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02:42:23
today a black woman talks to the phone
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02:42:31
everyday more of us follow her
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02:42:45
A weird snow over Buenos Aires
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02:42:50
everybody under the snow die
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02:42:59
can anybody travel in time?
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02:43:01
I hear some voices
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02:43:13
on Monday I found the news that there are more infections in Italy
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02:43:17
on Wednesday it's hard here
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02:43:21
on Thursday we worry
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02:43:27
on Saturday everything is closed
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02:43:32
we feel the lockdown
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02:43:36
the lockdown is declared
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02:43:48
Everything over a screen
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02:43:56
there's nobody alive in the space station
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02:44:03
there's no more couple outside
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02:44:08
now I hear another conversation
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02:44:11
father:
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02:44:15
you must go to the war
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02:44:16
Son:
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02:44:21
(listens)
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02:44:26
Some indigen people
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02:44:40
In Twitter the chairman says the property must be protected
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02:44:41
tryes
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02:44:42
fails
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02:44:43
tries
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02:44:46
fails better
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02:44:58
Some interview in the CNN
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02:45:00
the Floyd murder
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02:45:05
fail of capitalism
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02:45:09
in Argentin
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02:45:16
a group of women play some film
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02:45:29
the voice in off of the director is with them
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02:45:35
in the last scene they are pregnant
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02:45:37
really pregnant
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02:45:49
like if the film moved them to have children later
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02:45:57
or like if children came because of the film
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02:46:00
I hear voices again
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02:46:01
90s
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02:46:02
Germany
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02:46:04
war
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02:46:06
Sarajevo
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02:46:08
Sarajevo
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02:46:09
Sarajevo
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02:46:10
Sarajevo
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02:46:23
leaders have been murdered during the lockdown
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02:46:30
The son hasn't come yet
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02:46:36
his mother washes the cloths in the river
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02:46:39
last conversation
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02:46:43
Mother: please don't go
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02:46:52
The police breaks down some illegal building
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02:46:55
of poor people
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02:47:06
a policeman does not want to braeak them down
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02:47:08
viiral video
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02:47:12
a Singer intives his family
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02:47:15
to eat some fish
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02:47:22
while they cook they sing and listen to music
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02:47:26
black/white
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02:47:27
Japan
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02:47:36
After his daughter's marriage he gets drunk
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02:47:47
He talks with his daughter's friend
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02:47:55
"I'm not gettig married again"
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02:48:11
A colonialist worker from Spain in Argentina waits for another job
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02:48:13
too hot here
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02:48:19
We've just moved to another house
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02:48:38
The Smith is needing a lot of time to repair everything
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02:48:47
the library is not well built
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02:48:51
A dog came
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02:48:57
but the Evil can have any shape
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02:49:01
we cant trust nobody
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02:49:10
each Tuesday I hear my colleagues voices
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02:49:18
We hardly ever turn our cameras on
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02:49:21
but the boss
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02:49:25
I hear more voices
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02:49:27
I cant breathe
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:49:29
I cant breathe
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:49:36
I check the numbers everyday
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:49:51
IN the streets a policemen walks the desert city with his dog
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:49:57
Zombie'sfilm-like
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:50:02
which fear they talk us about?
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:50:07
we decided to come back on the road
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:50:10
we asked for all the documents
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:50:16
the police ask for the papers at the frontier
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:50:18
we give them
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:50:20
we wait
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:50:24
they check them
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:50:25
all right
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:50:31
the road is alone
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:50:45
we see a group of Venezuela people walking
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:50:50
the couple is still laying down
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:50:54
the son hasn't come back
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:50:59
hte same conversation
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:51:05
"it seems it's gonna rain"
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:52:00
Btw, I have to leave by now
Ali Esquembre Kučukalić
02:52:05
Cheers :)
Balsa Stevanovic
02:52:31
Thank you very much Ali for the translation. :)
Meenaxi Barkataki Ruscheweyh
02:52:54
Three Cheers to Ali!
Andrés Villaveces
02:53:12
yes!!!
Meenaxi Barkataki Ruscheweyh
02:56:26
What in his opinion is the future of museums, museums in the conventional sense, after Covid? Secondly, how will a Pandemic museum of the future look like?
Andrés Villaveces
02:57:02
I have a question (after Meenaxi’s)
Meenaxi Barkataki Ruscheweyh
02:59:21
DEmocratisation of culture/of museums!
Meenaxi Barkataki Ruscheweyh
03:00:05
Very nice,t hanks!
Diego Villamizar Rubiano
03:06:36
Ese concepto de estar atrapados en pantallas(que me hace pensar en los cuadrados del Zoom) se me parece a un poema de Alfonsina Storni:
Diego Villamizar Rubiano
03:06:38
Casas enfiladas, casas enfiladas,casas enfiladas,cuadrados, cuadrados, cuadrados,casas enfiladas.Las gentes ya tienen el alma cuadrada,ideas en filay ángulo en la espalda;yo misma he vertidoayer una lágrima,Dios mío, cuadrada.
Meenaxi Barkataki Ruscheweyh
03:07:03
Please can we have it in English?
Mirna Dzamonja
03:07:17
Andrés. Is translating it
Meenaxi Barkataki Ruscheweyh
03:12:13
Great work done by the chair as well!
Carlos Alberto
04:29:28
There is an interesting anticipation of Husserl's ideas in the work of Saint Augustine. Augustine thinks time as an extension of the soul. This extension joins past, present and future.
Meenaxi Barkataki Ruscheweyh
04:35:50
One group is happy. What about the second type of people, Mirna?
Andrés Villaveces
04:45:18
me interesa muchísimo leer eso, Carlos- mil gracias!
Meenaxi Barkataki Ruscheweyh
05:19:41
We see all this happening in India already.
Meenaxi Barkataki Ruscheweyh
05:21:29
There was never any solidarity to begin with -- there was solidarity among members of civil society initially but now there is exhaustion... and people are now gradually only rooting for themselves...
Meenaxi Barkataki Ruscheweyh
05:25:19
Modi as Messiah in India leading India out of the darkness into light...this idea is bought by very many... but is this a form of solidarity? I am not sure.
Maria's iPad
05:25:37
Isn’t part of the reasons for not trusting scientists now the existence of the pandemic itself? How can we justify such an unexpected expansion of a virus after all the recent advancement of science and technology? I am not justifying the skepticism just trying to understand it.
Meenaxi Barkataki Ruscheweyh
05:25:53
Same can be said of Trump or Bolsonaro!