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Meg Beauchamp
11:57
How would we have appropriate data by then??
Jennifer Horne
12:10
Exactly Meg
Catherine Woods
12:31
With districts ending soon, this could mean that spec educators are in meetings and not providing services during the first 30 days of schools next year. YUCK!
Marcia Bagley
12:59
How will we know what's been missed in total now? We can't make determinations about the amount of services to make up until later
SAU44 Northwood
13:17
We more than 30 days to just access the students needs and we can meet as a team. The 30 day timeline is not enough.
Sarah Reinhardt
13:19
Please clarify - if the IEP team decided in October that ESY was not necessary for FAPE, we do not need to meet again.
macneile
13:20
That is my concern as well Catherine. We need data first and then we will be in meetings (not able to get to services).
ANNE LANDRY
13:23
If ESY was determined prior to start of remote learning, is there an expectation that it be reconsidered given the circumstances? Why would he issue an order that is just part of every IEP process? Does he assume we are not following the process or does he expect it to change with remote learning?
Carol Kosnitsky
13:26
To be clear, if an IEP team met prior to March 16th and considered ESY (whether provide before or not) and decided a student was not eligible, there is no need to do another meeting?
jgutterman@sau17.net
13:59
It seems the Governor’s order is against IDEA and the IEP team process. Is it your position that we need to hold a meeting for all students with IEPs to discuss specifically compensatory education?
Caroline Arakelian
14:00
We are facing holding meetings for every student with an IEP at the beginning of the school year. We usually hold them throughout the year. Teachers and related services are only on contract until June 10th this year and not until August 28th. This is not feasible.
Kenneth Duesing
14:21
Are we to consider compensatory services for the current school year only or moving into the summer and next year? We have not received guidance on when school buildings will reopen.
Sarah Reinhardt
14:39
Agreed Caroline.
Becky Forrestall
14:40
Hi Becky- can you just help us understand- what definition of compensatory ed are we using in this scenario?
Caroline Arakelian
14:43
What is the definition of "start of school"? Back in buildings or remote? What if there is a delayed opening?
Meg Beauchamp
14:58
Again, how will we have the appropriate data by 30 days after school opens to make a determination on "compensatory services"
Becky Forrestall
16:21
When you say “decide if you have enough data to make a determination”- what determination are you asking us to make? Is it MISSED services? Adjusted Services? Etc. What are the guiding questions for this determination?
Marcia Bagley
16:26
but we won't know how long remote will continue, so we won't know exactly how much will be missed
cplourde
16:43
Comp ed is not 1:1 though for services that may have not been provided. And Comp Ed relates to lack progress. This is clear.
jfenrich
16:48
This is confusing. Previous guidance was to consider ESY eligibility as we typically would, and that any loss due to remote learning would be addressed via compensatory ed, not ESY. Now we are using ESY for this?
Fredette
17:02
Holding a meetnig does not mean agreeing with a need, we are being asked to hold meetnigs but the outcome of those are ndidualized.
Robert Qua
17:10
Does the team need to be an IEP team? Can these determinations be made in house?
Sister Mary Agnes Dombroski
17:17
It sounds like because of remote learning, the Governor would like us to consider ESY for students, even if in the past they have never qualified for ESY. Do I understand correctly?
Michele Munson
17:34
If remote learning was not effective then why would ESY be helpful?
Peter Naitove
17:36
Does the "school year" mean in school building or also remotely?
rhett darak
17:58
comp Ed services uses a regression standard, not just missed services, ant guidance on determining regression for kids with IEPs vs all kids
Kristin Tevepaugh
18:04
Best practice is to look at every student when we return to brick and mortar school, this order puts us under a strict timeline, especially if we are still remote.
Catherine Woods
18:12
Some families have chosen not to participate in remote learning. Progress will not look good for this type of situation. Inspite of our offer, the family chose to not participate. Is the district held liable so to speak for the families decision and have to provide comp ed?
cplourde
18:30
Is he asking or requiring? This guidance would be helpful.
Sarah Reinhardt
18:44
How are we expected to document these meetings for this order? What is being asked of districts to "prove" these meetings happened?
Jessica Parsons
19:12
30
Jessica Parsons
19:45
days does not allow enough time for kiddos to settle in and transition. that may be an important factor in the decision.
Lois Stevens
19:47
please take under consideration that these meetings also require regular ed teachers, related services, etc. There will be a loss to all students because of the mandate to have so many meetings in this time frame. Special Education teacher will be away from their students even more and will end up owing more services.
Carol Kosnitsky
19:53
Given your response can consideration be done internally as opposed to holding a meeting for every student. For many students the answer will continue to be no. Meetings can then be held for students where there are new concerns. Please comment on what can constitute consideration with a team meeting being held for every student.
diana denitto
20:23
So is the "opening of the school" now predicated on when the physical doors to our schools open to students to attend class in person?
Kim Di Salvo
20:24
It is going to be difficult to schedule regular ed teachers and specialists for so many meetings in September. Teacher and specialists will need to be with students and this number of meetings cannot all happen before and after school due to collective bargaining agreements. Working over the summer cannot be mandated for all of the necessary team members.
Kenneth Duesing
20:25
I was asking about buildings being open for all students. We have not received guidance. The only group of students that have been mentioned about being able to be in buildings are students with disabilities. No other group of students has ever been mentioned or suggested to come into buildings for services/instruction.
Fredette
20:33
For feedback to the Governor re: meeting times. If we re-meet on those already reviewed at one hour a meeting we need aproximately 5000 hours for the 500 or so students in that category in the district. That cannot happen by June 30 esp given we are teaching through June 5th, 2020. Thanks.
Robert Qua
20:34
We might as well meet on every kid in the state. They have all missed instruction
Catherine Woods
20:47
So have all kids missed instruction during this time. It appears that SWDs are being held to a higher standard than typically progressing students.
Marcia Bagley
20:54
What considerations are being given to regular education students who have missed instruction?
Chris Beeso
21:23
Still confused: Can you please clarify no meeting is necessary If an IEP team met prior to March 16th and considered ESY (whether provide before or not) and decided a student was not eligible.
Becky Forrestall
22:08
Haven’t ALL kids missed instruction during this time? Why are we providing potentially MORE/DIFFERENT services, to just spec ed kids? I also am hoping for some clarification around “in person” and the draft of the summer program guidelines and requirements. Are all programs that run this summer, in our buildings, going to be held to the same Draft guidelines you put out for special education? I am getting a lot of questions about this. Thanks.
Karen Guercia
23:01
There has been mention on some calls of additional funds for Special Education in addition to CARES and current IDEA funds. Is this something forthcoming?
Jessica Bickford
23:01
I just want to be clear, you did say we can start these mandated "comp. ed" IEP meetings in the summer and not wait until September
mikimcgee
23:02
Just as with Summer Slide, we always wait for a period of recoupment prior to assessing students on present levels. The last valid present levels were in March.
Kristin Tevepaugh
24:02
Is paragraph 2 of the order based upon Federal Law?
Heather Worthen
24:36
If the student does not show up for the zoom session but the staff does...do we need to make that session up?
Fredette
24:41
Why a mandate if we knw people are doing what they should
diana denitto
24:47
It would stand to reason that most students (general education students and special education students) who particpated in remote learing experienced regression. Therefore, it would seem students with special education needs who regressed are functioning at the same level as their peers.
Caroline Arakelian
24:52
Part of the issue is that the fall may still be remote which could still put kids at risk for regression. We are in task force committees to plan for 3,4, or 5 scenarios. We don't know what it looks like yet so we don't know how to plan to recoup from just April/May... To have meetings in June/July is too early to determine any additional or compensatory ed services. As a result, this pushes this requirement to September if school resumes.
rmatte
24:58
I am wondering how many districts are doing only remote for ESY. Thank you.
Peter Naitove
25:14
ESY is not mandatory for the student, if the parent declines, but "replacement services" are more "mandatory" if being proposed and accepted by the parent, so then it won't happen during ESY, even if that is preferable.
Rachel Borge
25:35
I am concerned that the order was reported to be an effort to ensure that students with disabilities don’t go without, but when considering the sheer number of IEP meetings that teachers and related service providers are now obligated to be a part of in the first 30 days of school, haven’t we nearly guaranteed that they will? Staff will be in nearly non-stop meetings for 30 days, when are services supposed to happen?
Michele Munson
26:11
Allowed do in person does not mean that our school will do so - so this order demands that we do in person if the child did not make progress
mikimcgee
26:13
If special education teachers are not willing to do face to face services, is it your understanding that the school district would need to continue to pay for their salary, and try to “find” someone as a sub who is certified and qualified and willing?
Becky Forrestall
26:19
Do you have any idea, if the Governor lessens the restrictions, what the turn around time would be for districts to be able to find funds, staffing, etc. to actually implementing the guidelines for ESY that were sent out in draft form? There are a lot of pieces to that, and having a quick turnaround to be able to make our staff, students and buildings be safe, never mind attempting to set up transportation, etc. and all the other requirements.
Karen Guercia
27:04
One issue that is being missed, after the contract year is up, teachers and staff are not required to attend meetings or provide ESY services. In addition, staff are not feeling comfortable providing in person services, despite the statement that in person instruction can occur.
Carol Kosnitsky
27:31
Are you saying: School staff make contact with family, has a discussion about ESY and documents this conversation. Will you state this meets the requirement of Order #1.
Michael McSheehan
27:41
For districts/schools where educators and related services providers are unwilling to do in-person services, even for small groups, what are your thoughts? Do they hire different staff?
Robert Qua
28:00
It sounds like you said that we can meet as a school-based team to consider ESY for students not currently planning on attending. We can determine, like your example, to offer it to everyone else. But, if we issue communication to all parents of children we are newly considering as needing ESY services, would that meet the first requirement
Robert Qua
28:20
?
macneile
28:20
You mention we can have these comp ed meetings now - however we have no guidance on this. We cannot move forward now and then duplicate those meetings when we receive guidance.
cplourde
28:59
Please update us with whether the order is asking versus requiring? It's helpful to have this information from you.
Marcia Bagley
29:37
Is the 30 days calendar days or business days?
ANNE LANDRY
32:17
Does the process of "looking at" students who were previously determined to not be eligible for ESY require any documentation?
macneile
32:19
We hold our ESY meetings prior to April 15 - so if you want us to meet on every no student - that is going to be about 80% of our population.
Sarah Reinhardt
32:38
Becky - is that clarification around who we "must" hold meetings for and who we should "consider" be put in writing?
kmck
32:44
Engaging parents in a conversation about ESY is not the same as holding an IEP team meeting with full team members present. Can you clarify ‘meeting’?
Peter Naitove
33:06
Guidance from many sources is that this has been a traumatic experience for all school members - staff and students. The Governor needs to understand that we need to assess all student's health and readiness for instruction, and at what levels. This is a universal need and should be the first priorities. I can provide sources, e.g. NASP.
Kristin Tevepaugh
33:13
Yes:)
mikimcgee
34:16
Are districts following truancy policies for students refusing to attend?
Rachel Borge
37:27
I appreciate that we can hold meetings now, but considering that we will need to re-assess present levels upon return from remote learning in order to determine the need for any new or different (compensatory or replacement) services how is that possible.
pmacdonald
38:20
It isn't just staff who are leary about providing in person instruction; parents are also worried about sending their child.
Dr. Mary Ellen Pantazis
38:37
Thank you for your work Becky.
Fredette
39:23
Is there a singular guidance doc for public school opening with CDC guidelines for distancing etc with small groups? That would be helpful.
Carol Kosnitsky
39:57
order says calendar days. Would be great if it could be changed to business days.
Kristin Tevepaugh
40:03
It is 30 calendar per order
Becky Forrestall
41:29
I don’t mean to sound frustrated, but the staffing, etc. that is being asked from us for both the meeting requirements and the ESY if in person, is costly. We were told multiple times to spend down immediately and use immediately, our grant funds, which I believe most of us have done, in response. Now we are being asked to use that money for these staffing/ESY issues. It’s just not there. And even if it were, $3000 covers literally less than a few days of ESY to be honest. It’s not realistic.
Michele Munson
42:06
How many are ready for a socially distanced meeting with the Governor to address his lack of understanding oaths matter????
Karen Guercia
42:27
We are all trying to do what's best for kids but hiring "replacement staff" who are unknown to the student to provide ESY or compensatory services is not in the child's best interest. The argument that its to bridge the gap with remote is not a valid argument since the child's teacher or service personnel knew them best and it often takes time to establish that service/instructional relationship in order for students to make progress.
ANNE LANDRY
42:49
I don't understand how the governor can order IEP teams to do anything...
Catherine Woods
44:19
ditto
Sarah Reinhardt
44:19
Anne - that is a good question
Kenneth Duesing
44:30
Thank you Becky
Caroline Arakelian
44:33
When we will receive finalized ESY guidance?
Peter Naitove
44:38
Thank you. Let's remember that the health of all is the priority, not instruction.
Beth McClure
44:42
I wonder if staff can provide written feedback for some of these meetings if they are not available to meet during the summer.
Dr. Mary Ellen Pantazis
44:44
We appreciate your time Becky.
Sherry Burbank
44:50
Thanks, Becky
Marcia Bagley
44:52
Thank you Becky. This is hard, we appreciate you
Fredette
44:53
Thank you Becky, you are going to need a vocal coach when this is all done!
Michele Munson
44:54
I understand that you are frustrated with us, but you need to understand that the asks, mandates are just too much at this time.
Becky Forrestall
44:57
Thank you, Becky.
Robert Qua
44:59
You put up with a lot, Rebecca, thank you. But this one is a doozie.
jheise
45:01
Can you please repeat answer to truant policies question?
Heather Worthen
45:10
Thank you Becky!
Jessica Parsons
45:18
I truly believe we are all doing that!
Sister Mary Agnes Dombroski
45:25
Thank you Becky!
Janet Reed
45:29
Thank you Becky!
cplourde
45:33
Thanks for talking this through with us.
pchandler@slconline.org
45:35
thank you Becky appreciate your efforts
Karen Guercia
45:37
Thanks for your patience Rebecca, we are voicing what we are hearing from the field
Catherine Woods
45:41
DCYF is not handling any truancy related isseus currently. They tell us to go to the house.
Diane Bessey
45:42
Thank you Becky!
Peter Naitove
45:47
We cannot be there for students, if taking care of staff is not of equal priority.
macneile
45:52
I think the written guidance on ask vs. must is important. Thank you for your time Becky.
Kristin Tevepaugh
46:11
Thank you for all you are doing!
Peter Naitove
46:12
I do appreciate what you are doing! My concerns are not aimed at you at al.
Michael McSheehan
46:14
Thank you for your time, patience and persistence. Much appreciated.
Jennifer Pomykato
46:14
Becky - Love your closing message, “Are we doing what is best for students?” Great compass! Thank you
Jessica Bickford
46:16
Thank you
Sharon
46:20
Thank you.
Kim Di Salvo
46:20
Thank you.
mikimcgee
46:23
Thank you Becky
Kathy Courtois
46:24
Thank you
Cathy Zylinski
46:25
Thank you.