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How would we have appropriate data by then??
With districts ending soon, this could mean that spec educators are in meetings and not providing services during the first 30 days of schools next year. YUCK!
How will we know what's been missed in total now? We can't make determinations about the amount of services to make up until later
We more than 30 days to just access the students needs and we can meet as a team. The 30 day timeline is not enough.
Please clarify - if the IEP team decided in October that ESY was not necessary for FAPE, we do not need to meet again.
That is my concern as well Catherine. We need data first and then we will be in meetings (not able to get to services).
If ESY was determined prior to start of remote learning, is there an expectation that it be reconsidered given the circumstances? Why would he issue an order that is just part of every IEP process? Does he assume we are not following the process or does he expect it to change with remote learning?
To be clear, if an IEP team met prior to March 16th and considered ESY (whether provide before or not) and decided a student was not eligible, there is no need to do another meeting?
It seems the Governor’s order is against IDEA and the IEP team process. Is it your position that we need to hold a meeting for all students with IEPs to discuss specifically compensatory education?
We are facing holding meetings for every student with an IEP at the beginning of the school year. We usually hold them throughout the year. Teachers and related services are only on contract until June 10th this year and not until August 28th. This is not feasible.
Are we to consider compensatory services for the current school year only or moving into the summer and next year? We have not received guidance on when school buildings will reopen.
Hi Becky- can you just help us understand- what definition of compensatory ed are we using in this scenario?
What is the definition of "start of school"? Back in buildings or remote? What if there is a delayed opening?
Again, how will we have the appropriate data by 30 days after school opens to make a determination on "compensatory services"
When you say “decide if you have enough data to make a determination”- what determination are you asking us to make? Is it MISSED services? Adjusted Services? Etc. What are the guiding questions for this determination?
but we won't know how long remote will continue, so we won't know exactly how much will be missed
Comp ed is not 1:1 though for services that may have not been provided. And Comp Ed relates to lack progress. This is clear.
This is confusing. Previous guidance was to consider ESY eligibility as we typically would, and that any loss due to remote learning would be addressed via compensatory ed, not ESY. Now we are using ESY for this?
Holding a meetnig does not mean agreeing with a need, we are being asked to hold meetnigs but the outcome of those are ndidualized.
Does the team need to be an IEP team? Can these determinations be made in house?
Sister Mary Agnes Dombroski
It sounds like because of remote learning, the Governor would like us to consider ESY for students, even if in the past they have never qualified for ESY. Do I understand correctly?
If remote learning was not effective then why would ESY be helpful?
Does the "school year" mean in school building or also remotely?
comp Ed services uses a regression standard, not just missed services, ant guidance on determining regression for kids with IEPs vs all kids
Best practice is to look at every student when we return to brick and mortar school, this order puts us under a strict timeline, especially if we are still remote.
Some families have chosen not to participate in remote learning. Progress will not look good for this type of situation. Inspite of our offer, the family chose to not participate. Is the district held liable so to speak for the families decision and have to provide comp ed?
Is he asking or requiring? This guidance would be helpful.
How are we expected to document these meetings for this order? What is being asked of districts to "prove" these meetings happened?
days does not allow enough time for kiddos to settle in and transition. that may be an important factor in the decision.
please take under consideration that these meetings also require regular ed teachers, related services, etc. There will be a loss to all students because of the mandate to have so many meetings in this time frame. Special Education teacher will be away from their students even more and will end up owing more services.
Given your response can consideration be done internally as opposed to holding a meeting for every student. For many students the answer will continue to be no. Meetings can then be held for students where there are new concerns. Please comment on what can constitute consideration with a team meeting being held for every student.
So is the "opening of the school" now predicated on when the physical doors to our schools open to students to attend class in person?
Kim Di Salvo
It is going to be difficult to schedule regular ed teachers and specialists for so many meetings in September. Teacher and specialists will need to be with students and this number of meetings cannot all happen before and after school due to collective bargaining agreements. Working over the summer cannot be mandated for all of the necessary team members.
I was asking about buildings being open for all students. We have not received guidance. The only group of students that have been mentioned about being able to be in buildings are students with disabilities. No other group of students has ever been mentioned or suggested to come into buildings for services/instruction.
For feedback to the Governor re: meeting times. If we re-meet on those already reviewed at one hour a meeting we need aproximately 5000 hours for the 500 or so students in that category in the district. That cannot happen by June 30 esp given we are teaching through June 5th, 2020. Thanks.
We might as well meet on every kid in the state. They have all missed instruction
So have all kids missed instruction during this time. It appears that SWDs are being held to a higher standard than typically progressing students.
What considerations are being given to regular education students who have missed instruction?
Still confused: Can you please clarify no meeting is necessary If an IEP team met prior to March 16th and considered ESY (whether provide before or not) and decided a student was not eligible.
Haven’t ALL kids missed instruction during this time? Why are we providing potentially MORE/DIFFERENT services, to just spec ed kids? I also am hoping for some clarification around “in person” and the draft of the summer program guidelines and requirements. Are all programs that run this summer, in our buildings, going to be held to the same Draft guidelines you put out for special education? I am getting a lot of questions about this. Thanks.
There has been mention on some calls of additional funds for Special Education in addition to CARES and current IDEA funds. Is this something forthcoming?
I just want to be clear, you did say we can start these mandated "comp. ed" IEP meetings in the summer and not wait until September
Just as with Summer Slide, we always wait for a period of recoupment prior to assessing students on present levels. The last valid present levels were in March.
Is paragraph 2 of the order based upon Federal Law?
If the student does not show up for the zoom session but the staff does...do we need to make that session up?
Why a mandate if we knw people are doing what they should
It would stand to reason that most students (general education students and special education students) who particpated in remote learing experienced regression. Therefore, it would seem students with special education needs who regressed are functioning at the same level as their peers.
Part of the issue is that the fall may still be remote which could still put kids at risk for regression. We are in task force committees to plan for 3,4, or 5 scenarios. We don't know what it looks like yet so we don't know how to plan to recoup from just April/May... To have meetings in June/July is too early to determine any additional or compensatory ed services. As a result, this pushes this requirement to September if school resumes.
I am wondering how many districts are doing only remote for ESY. Thank you.
ESY is not mandatory for the student, if the parent declines, but "replacement services" are more "mandatory" if being proposed and accepted by the parent, so then it won't happen during ESY, even if that is preferable.
I am concerned that the order was reported to be an effort to ensure that students with disabilities don’t go without, but when considering the sheer number of IEP meetings that teachers and related service providers are now obligated to be a part of in the first 30 days of school, haven’t we nearly guaranteed that they will? Staff will be in nearly non-stop meetings for 30 days, when are services supposed to happen?
Allowed do in person does not mean that our school will do so - so this order demands that we do in person if the child did not make progress
If special education teachers are not willing to do face to face services, is it your understanding that the school district would need to continue to pay for their salary, and try to “find” someone as a sub who is certified and qualified and willing?
Do you have any idea, if the Governor lessens the restrictions, what the turn around time would be for districts to be able to find funds, staffing, etc. to actually implementing the guidelines for ESY that were sent out in draft form? There are a lot of pieces to that, and having a quick turnaround to be able to make our staff, students and buildings be safe, never mind attempting to set up transportation, etc. and all the other requirements.
One issue that is being missed, after the contract year is up, teachers and staff are not required to attend meetings or provide ESY services. In addition, staff are not feeling comfortable providing in person services, despite the statement that in person instruction can occur.
Are you saying: School staff make contact with family, has a discussion about ESY and documents this conversation. Will you state this meets the requirement of Order #1.
For districts/schools where educators and related services providers are unwilling to do in-person services, even for small groups, what are your thoughts? Do they hire different staff?
It sounds like you said that we can meet as a school-based team to consider ESY for students not currently planning on attending. We can determine, like your example, to offer it to everyone else. But, if we issue communication to all parents of children we are newly considering as needing ESY services, would that meet the first requirement
You mention we can have these comp ed meetings now - however we have no guidance on this. We cannot move forward now and then duplicate those meetings when we receive guidance.
Please update us with whether the order is asking versus requiring? It's helpful to have this information from you.
Is the 30 days calendar days or business days?
Does the process of "looking at" students who were previously determined to not be eligible for ESY require any documentation?
We hold our ESY meetings prior to April 15 - so if you want us to meet on every no student - that is going to be about 80% of our population.
Becky - is that clarification around who we "must" hold meetings for and who we should "consider" be put in writing?
Engaging parents in a conversation about ESY is not the same as holding an IEP team meeting with full team members present. Can you clarify ‘meeting’?
Guidance from many sources is that this has been a traumatic experience for all school members - staff and students. The Governor needs to understand that we need to assess all student's health and readiness for instruction, and at what levels. This is a universal need and should be the first priorities. I can provide sources, e.g. NASP.
Are districts following truancy policies for students refusing to attend?
I appreciate that we can hold meetings now, but considering that we will need to re-assess present levels upon return from remote learning in order to determine the need for any new or different (compensatory or replacement) services how is that possible.
It isn't just staff who are leary about providing in person instruction; parents are also worried about sending their child.
Dr. Mary Ellen Pantazis
Thank you for your work Becky.
Is there a singular guidance doc for public school opening with CDC guidelines for distancing etc with small groups? That would be helpful.
order says calendar days. Would be great if it could be changed to business days.
It is 30 calendar per order
I don’t mean to sound frustrated, but the staffing, etc. that is being asked from us for both the meeting requirements and the ESY if in person, is costly. We were told multiple times to spend down immediately and use immediately, our grant funds, which I believe most of us have done, in response. Now we are being asked to use that money for these staffing/ESY issues. It’s just not there. And even if it were, $3000 covers literally less than a few days of ESY to be honest. It’s not realistic.
How many are ready for a socially distanced meeting with the Governor to address his lack of understanding oaths matter????
We are all trying to do what's best for kids but hiring "replacement staff" who are unknown to the student to provide ESY or compensatory services is not in the child's best interest. The argument that its to bridge the gap with remote is not a valid argument since the child's teacher or service personnel knew them best and it often takes time to establish that service/instructional relationship in order for students to make progress.
I don't understand how the governor can order IEP teams to do anything...
Anne - that is a good question
Thank you Becky
When we will receive finalized ESY guidance?
Thank you. Let's remember that the health of all is the priority, not instruction.
I wonder if staff can provide written feedback for some of these meetings if they are not available to meet during the summer.
Dr. Mary Ellen Pantazis
We appreciate your time Becky.
Thank you Becky. This is hard, we appreciate you
Thank you Becky, you are going to need a vocal coach when this is all done!
I understand that you are frustrated with us, but you need to understand that the asks, mandates are just too much at this time.
Thank you, Becky.
You put up with a lot, Rebecca, thank you. But this one is a doozie.
Can you please repeat answer to truant policies question?
Thank you Becky!
I truly believe we are all doing that!
Sister Mary Agnes Dombroski
Thank you Becky!
Thank you Becky!
Thanks for talking this through with us.
thank you Becky appreciate your efforts
Thanks for your patience Rebecca, we are voicing what we are hearing from the field
DCYF is not handling any truancy related isseus currently. They tell us to go to the house.
Thank you Becky!
We cannot be there for students, if taking care of staff is not of equal priority.
I think the written guidance on ask vs. must is important. Thank you for your time Becky.
Thank you for all you are doing!
I do appreciate what you are doing! My concerns are not aimed at you at al.
Thank you for your time, patience and persistence. Much appreciated.
Becky - Love your closing message, “Are we doing what is best for students?” Great compass! Thank you
Kim Di Salvo
Thank you Becky