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Could there be a bike super highway on the Peninsula? - Speaker view
Ria Hutabarat Lo
35:22
Nice music. Is this one of your pieces, Russ?
Melissa Stevenson Diaz, CM Redwood City
35:24
Thx for the music!
Russell Hancock
37:28
Yes! Music by me and the Saint Michael Trio!
Lucas Ramirez
38:57
Is that Libertango in the background??
Suzanne - Los Altos Complete Streets Commission
46:17
Q: Where does Foothill Expressway fit into the overall transportation plan for cyclists? It’s an established, well-known commute corridor for cyclists….and a bit of a thorn in County’s side?
Ken Joye, Palo Alto
01:02:22
Is I-280 an example of a motor vehicle “superhighway”? If so, would a “bicycle superhighway” share characteristics of I-280? What sort of “cross-barrier connections” need to be created for motor vehicles to get over/under/around a bicycle superhighway?
Suzanne - Los Altos Complete Streets Commission
01:03:36
And this is the key obstacle to this dream: we either don’t have the real estate or the political will to carve out the real estate to do this.
Suzanne - Los Altos Complete Streets Commission
01:06:50
What about Alameda de Las Pulgas + Foothill Expressway? High speed, but as a separated bikeway that might provide some mitigation
James Kuszmaul
01:08:40
Alameda/Foothill have poor topography (too many hills) and aren't near many destinations, so is lower value than ECR or the such.
Suzanne - Los Altos Complete Streets Commission
01:13:00
Was there any consideration of improving the Baylands Corridor? This is also a highly traveled commute route
Lenny Siegel
01:13:59
In Mountain View, El Camino goes East-West, not North-South.
Suzanne - Los Altos Complete Streets Commission
01:16:00
Given that in certain areas, El Camino is Mountain View on one side, but Los Altos jurisdiction on the other side. Need consistent, dual City plan.
Suzanne - Los Altos Complete Streets Commission
01:18:05
Also to consider - this corridor is undergoing high density residential development - with significant BMR units, thus including only minimum vehicular parking within the development, and minimal bicycle storage infrastructure. This will stress this corridor from a parking perspective.
Lenny Siegel
01:22:17
I have long supported the installation of bike lanes along most of El Camino in Mountain View, but it is no an appropriate location for a Bicycle Superhighway. El Camino has innumerable curb cuts and intersections, as anyone who rides a bike along El Camino in MV knows.
Anne Paulson
01:23:37
I’m here trying to understand how this can be safe for cyclists, with all the driveways and intersections. How will I be protected from right hooks and left hooks? Especially right hooks.
Suzanne - Los Altos Complete Streets Commission
01:24:12
+1 to the right tool problem and all the driveways and curb cuts
Suzanne - Los Altos Complete Streets Commission
01:24:25
* right hook
Lenny Siegel
01:25:17
The Caltrain corridor, on the other hand, has few curb cuts and when the Rengstorff underpass and Moffett-Castro closure are completed, there will be no intersections One would be able to ride across the city without stopping, except perhaps at the downtown Transit Center. Furthermore, Sunnyvale is planning a cycle path along Caltrain, to the Mountain View border. This project was biased by the exclusion of Sunnyvale.
Arnout Boelens
01:26:06
When there are a lot of driveways, designating space for a low speed service road could be a safer solution for all road users.
James Kuszmaul
01:26:23
protected intersections (as are planned for MV), hopefully + no right-turn-on-red should help substantially on right hooks. The presence of curb cuts is unfortunate (although is also highly correlated with the corridor having lots of destinations that people need to get to). Hopefully ECR isn't the only route along that corridor that we are improving, but it is a very important one.
Anne Paulson
01:26:43
Protected intersections do nothing for all the driveways
Lenny Siegel
01:27:22
Finally, it wasn’t clear from Ria’s presentation whether there is a proposal to remove traffic lanes on El Camino. Any such proposal would generate widespread community opposition, as the unpopular BRT proposal did, by pushing traffic into adjacent neighborhoods.
James Kuszmaul
01:28:13
Lenny, the ECR bike lane in MV will not remove a traffic lane. It only is removing parking. Unfortunately this does mean brief segments of unprotected bike lanes to accommodate bus stops in areas where the ROW is too narrow to allow a bus island.
Lenny Siegel
01:28:52
If one really wants to encourage biking on El Camino in Mountain View, there should be provision for left turns and better bike/ped crossings. The only bike grade separation we have is the Stevens Creek Trail.
Lenny Siegel
01:30:15
James, What is the plan for parking removal for the small number of existing businesses that depend upon street parking.
Anne Paulson
01:30:47
I understand why we want to protect local businesses, but if their customers are going to hit me when they turn into the businesses, then the bikeway is not going to be safe
Arthur Liberman
01:31:03
Why didn't ALTA Planning consider the issues of NOISE and FUMES along El Camino. With the bus and truck and car traffic on El Camino, it would be really an unpleasant and unacceptable experience even if it could be made safe.
James Kuszmaul
01:32:34
Well Ria or Brandon might correct me, but as I recall there were only 2-3 businesses that were even filling up their off-street lots, and of those 1 was vacant currently and for the rest the on-street parking was a relatively small percentage of the overall parking they had, and as the presentation alluded to earlier, cyclists tend to actually be stronger patrons of local businesses, so adding the bike lanes should improve business.
Lenny Siegel
01:32:36
There is substantial right-of-way along Central Expressway between Moffett Blvd. and San Antonio Road in Mountain View.
penelope Ellson
01:33:06
Caltrans might provide wayfinding signage on ECR to calmer parallel bike routes mentioned by Sylvia in Palo Alto.
Brent Pearse
01:34:50
VTA's work in Santa Clara County has shown that places people want to go are along El Camino, just like someone who takes a bus, walk or drives. Central Expressway and Moffett don't have many destinations for people. Providing safe ways to connect and support businesses on bike are the same wants as people who ride transit, walk or drive a car.
Lenny Siegel
01:36:01
Again, I support bike lanes on El Camino, where feasible, to serve residences and businesses along El Camino. But it won’t be a “Superhighway.” With the planned underpass at the Transit Center, the Caltrain corridor could be a conflict-free Superhighway.
penelope Ellson
01:36:37
In Palo Alto, parallel bike routes get one within less than a short block from most ECR destinations. The connecting blocks are generally short.
john stone
01:37:27
Love to see a good road diet
Ken Joye, Palo Alto
01:39:00
Robert Ovadia mentioned that removing a travel lane near current construction site did not affect through-put noticeably; is that to say that LOS is a measure used in lieu of VMT?
Mary Dateo
01:49:35
A successful ECR bike route, with all the destinations and new development, will ideally become crowded. Great! but with all the curb cuts and intersections, it will be difficult to achieve one of the stated goals, which is the ability to reach higher speeds. It will be difficult to avoid having to stop every few hundred feet. Just as we have highways and surface roads for cars, I think there need to be safe, Class 4 alternative routes for longer-distance, higher-speed bicycle travel with few stops. We need ECR, and also to begin planning other routes.
James Kuszmaul
01:50:57
Yes. Having multiple routes is needed and good. ECR is a great first step (and in MV can happen most conveniently in cadence with the Caltrans repaving).
Melissa Stevenson Diaz, CM Redwood City
01:51:25
With apologies, I am not able to stay for the rest of the meeting as need to address an issue re: to the omicron surge. My thanks to JVSV for continuing to help us coordinate on effective regional bike network. We have growing support for bicycling and Vision Zero efforts, and strong development interest along ECR. It is powerful for us to work together on this effort and to be able to share a vision with our communities and share expectations with the development community as well.
Jen Wolosin
01:54:09
yes for more communities, but having the partnership beyond the CM's and to include city councils, electeds
Katie Behroozi
01:54:24
El Camino is such a funny road–its continuity causes people to want to use it as an expressway (drivers too!) but because it connects a bunch of discontinuous segments, it has a lot of crossroads and stoplights, so it’s not a good expressway. Strong Towns would call it a “stored.”
Katie Behroozi
01:54:35
*stroad
Suzanne - Los Altos Complete Streets Commission
01:57:16
Let’s not pin our hopes on ONE ROAD to rule them all, but a combination of routes and bikeways to serve a variety of needs, modes, and skills. A network perhaps?
Arthur Liberman
01:59:35
Another possible bicycle super-highway would be along Foothill Expressway, which is already highly used by members of the bicycling community. It is wide shoulders that are actually bicycle friendly with very few interruptions from intersecting roads and buses and trucks. I ride on Foothill all the time.
Anne Paulson
02:00:31
Stop de Kindermoord
J R
02:01:41
I share Art's concerns about fumes, and secondarily noise, in addition to other ECR concerns raised for a low stress experience riding. Other options seem better.
Alison Hicks
02:02:33
I have to go deal with my family Covid exposure, but my main suggestion is if we want to encourage the 70% in the middle of the spectrum, we have to do outreach much more beyond the current biking community to see what the biking hesitant need to start biking. What I've heard is that, in addition to safety, they need more bike repair and storage infrastructure (especially for e-bikes) as well as buffers from auto fumes, shade and general comfort. This may mean more than one corridor or more than just corridors/highways, although I know networks like this are under discussion already.
Mary Dateo
02:04:54
The cycle path in Palo Alto along Caltrain is so enjoyable to use, and so handy combined with Park. Kudos to Sunnyvale for planning a cycle track along Caltrain, too. Living in Mountain View, I would LOVE to see these 2 connected by a similar cycle track in Mountain View.
john stone
02:05:30
a single corridor won't solve anything, but ECR has so many destinations. Making it more bicycle friendly really will help shift mode share.
J R
02:08:13
Great comments in chat. Hopefully the chat can be sent to us with recording, if that will be sent out. :-)
john stone
02:11:51
*won't solve everything
john stone
02:11:52
oops
john stone
02:13:01
better intersection design can help with right hooks (especially removing slip lanes)
Katie Behroozi
02:13:04
Cycle tracks are great for getting quickly from one place to another. But if we want El Camino to be a vibrant living/retail/working space, we’re going to need to make it safer for bikes.
Ria Hutabarat Lo
02:15:15
Salim, Sorry to hear about your collision and I hope you are OK. Protected intersections do help to reduce the potential for right hook collisions. These sorts of treatments were called for in the MV ECR Streetscape Plan.
Anne Paulson
02:15:22
Slip lanes are of the devil, but removing them doesn’t help with the many driveways
Anne Paulson
02:16:31
If we want El Camino to be a vibrant living/retail/working space, we’ll have to remove most of the cars
Lenny Siegel
02:16:39
To make El Camino a “El Camino to be a vibrant living/retail/working space,” we need to make it easier from cyclists and pedestrians to safely, quickly cross the Boulevard.
Anne Paulson
02:17:43
A car sewer is never going to be a vibrant living/retail/working space
Mary Dateo
02:18:18
Agree we need ECR and also agree with all the comments about the importance of alternate routes and especially networks.
Jessica Alba
02:20:38
Yes, Lauren!
J R
02:21:27
Of course, as we electrify transportation more, fumes will be less worrisome, but it will be a while...
Margaret Abe-Koga
02:23:37
Great points Lauren!
penelope Ellson
02:24:36
The map does not include Palo Alto connections to the Bay trails which are really important to regional commuters and local recreational/transportation folks who bike in our community.
Brent Pearse
02:25:06
Thanks for that feedback @penelope, we'll take that into consideration!
Mary Dateo
02:25:20
Great to see that JOY was one of your criteria in the VTA study.
Lenny Siegel
02:25:33
I hope that folks making these plans will take the time to ride along El Camino to see all the driveways and intersections, and the paucity of safe crossings.
Jessica Manzi, Redwood City (she/her)
02:26:52
Air quality is definitely a concern - as mentioned, as our cars and buses electrify that should be less of an issue. While not minimizing the damaging effect of particulates on our lungs, there is research that points to the health benefits of active commutes outweighing the negative health effects of bad air quality. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091743516000402
Brent Pearse
02:27:44
Lauren will speak about some strategies that VTA is pursuing to make El Camino safer at driveways and minor intersection where you cannot offer full protection for bikes. As has been said by many commenters and speakers, when parcels redevelop along El Camino, driveways can also be reduced over time.
Katie Behroozi
02:30:25
One big source of pushback for truly separated lanes in Menlo Park was our Fire District, which was concerned that adding bike lanes would reduce their ability to use ECR as a primary emergency response route during peak congestion. How are you thinking about this?
Alison Hicks
02:30:45
Lauren, so glad over 30% of your respondents were not yet bikers. The features you're talking about now, landscape buffers, etc. are exactly what non bikers I talk to want to get started. Also love the connection to trails, and I hope to slower shared streets as well.
Brent Pearse
02:31:14
Thanks @Mary, Joy is very important part of moving from one location to another! Riding in some places aren't the most fun, but they are practical. We wanted to know how joy could change our decision making about where VTA builds bikeways.
penelope Ellson
02:31:21
Again, where are Palo alto projects on this list?
J R
02:32:27
Thanks, Jessica, for that info. I'll take a peek after this meeting.
Mary Dateo
02:34:37
Thanks to Caltrans and MV staff for the upcoming work on ECR, it will be exciting to see.
Brent Pearse
02:36:41
@penelope, as Sylvia and others have covered, Palo Alto has an incredible local bike network. Many of these connections could connect with future high quality bike highways along El Camino, Junipero Serra Blvd./Foothill Expressway and the Bay Trail in Palo Alto further increasing access.
Lucas Ramirez
02:36:42
Yes, thank you for organizing this meeting. Fantastic speakers and participants. Very grateful for your work on this important project!
J R
02:38:00
Thank you for a great meeting!
Mary Dateo
02:38:00
Thanks for the great overview, and for working to increase cycling.
Ken Joye, Palo Alto
02:38:09
THANK YOU