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Ecosystem Foundry WG (ToIP) - Shared screen with speaker view
Phil Wolff
13:00
Meeting notes https://wiki.trustoverip.org/x/z-ArAQ
Carly Huitema
17:19
We are tasked with forming a task force to write the template for an ecosystem governance framework. We continue to search for a task force leader and I am in this position in the interim.
Carly Huitema
17:39
If you are interested in joining the task force to write this document please let me know.
anirao
19:13
@Carly I would like to learn more about this effort.
Carly Huitema
20:06
👍
Carly Huitema
20:33
My preference is to use slack for organization of the task force - but you can also email me at carly.huitema@gmail.com
Carly Huitema
21:02
We can root the task force creation discussion in the Ecosystem-WG channel and then create a new one
Trinh Nguyen
22:08
Hi Carly, is this the project of the Ecosystem definition white paper which has the first draft? If you like, I can share the draft with the bigger team, so everyone can take off from there.
Carly Huitema
23:03
The ecosystem with biology as example whitepaper is different - but I think you should post the link because there are many people here who are interested in that work.
Karen Hand
23:20
I can somewhat imagine that to initiate an ecosystem - start with first model with vision to evolve to model 2
Carly Huitema
23:30
We also need to write a governance framework for the ecosystem level
Scott Perry
23:58
sounds like a task force effort
Eric Drury
24:04
@Karen - I've seen projects take that approach
Trinh Nguyen
24:45
That's a great idea, Carly. I will post the link to that document then. Do you think it might be better to work in sequence, the ecosystem definition should be finalized before we work on a governance framework for it?
Carly Huitema
25:17
personally, I can see the governance framework with several levels (bronze, silver, gold) - like LEED building standards. "we have an ecosystem ToIP gold standard"
Karen Hand
25:29
In my area, we need/working with an nfp to lead the charge and champion for the ecosystem
Steve Magennis
26:02
+1 need to distinguish between decentralized participation vs decentralized governance - keeping in mind that even highly 'centralized' governance may be highly influenced by the membership and even 3rd parties (e.g. laws)
Karen Hand
31:28
For this approach document management would need to be very dynamic
Scott Perry
32:37
Why couldn't you link to the laws of issuance?
Phil Wolff
33:33
This seems like a useful checklist/taxonomy/information architecture for communicating a stack, schemas, verifiers, and governance.
Carly Huitema
35:24
It also looks like a good checklist of what should be contained in a governance framework
Phil Wolff
38:44
I can see these lists of parties (and their stuff) getting very long. So:long-list tools are necessary (search, freshness, tagging, taxonomy, social suggestions) as are role-based decisions for moving documents through approval/status workflows.curation costs/time/effort will grow as the number of participants, the degree of detail required, and the level of human effort per curated thing grow.
Scott Perry
38:45
Neetrust assurance sectionds a
Scott Perry
38:58
needs a trust assurance section
Carly Huitema
40:15
Scott - what goes into a trust assurance section?
Scott Perry
40:47
see trust assurance controlled document template published on deliverables page
Carly Huitema
41:12
https://trustoverip.org/wp-content/uploads/ToIP-Trust-Assurance-and-Certification-Controlled-Document-Template-V1.0-2021-10-19.pdf
Phil Wolff
41:54
When does the cost of participation drive participants to fork to new "ecosystem" sites? How do we know what is too much or just enough?
Doug Bulleit
43:12
will there be a link to the recording?
Steve Magennis
43:31
yes, it will be on the Wiki meeting page
Phil Wolff
43:45
Doug, in the meeting notes. https://wiki.trustoverip.org/x/z-ArAQ
Kyle Robinson
43:46
@Phil - I think that speaks back to Stephen's earlier slide on centralized governance vs decentralized governance
Steve Magennis
43:54
https://wiki.trustoverip.org/display/HOME/EFWG+Meeting+Page
Eric Drury
52:05
Great stuff Stephen!
anirao
52:07
Is the demo link open to all
Nicky Hickman
52:26
🙌
anirao
57:57
Thank you Stephen. This was very helpful.
Phil Wolff
59:57
This felt very much like the "I'm Just A Bill" from Schoolhouse Rock.
Doug Bulleit
01:00:54
Or a “Bill on Capital Hill”;-)
Steve Magennis
01:01:05
Quality piece of cinema there!
Karen Hand
01:01:56
Thanks Scott +1
Kimberly Linson
01:01:59
+1 Phil - just the level I needed!
Steve Magennis
01:02:47
@Subra, brilliant
Carly Huitema
01:03:47
The central authority can make it up as they go along (out of sight), but decentralized is out in the open and needs to be more clear in advance?
Steve Magennis
01:04:46
+1 scott
Tim Bouma
01:04:49
Awesome work, Stephen! Now we need to figure out how to make this 'legally recognizable' and plugged into the existing regulatory/legislative frameworks (i.e., laws)
Phil Wolff
01:05:56
DAOs are a human effort until you Fire And Forget the programmatic controls. Or unless there are triggers to bring humans back in the loop.
Steve Magennis
01:06:32
@Tim, are you asking about a legally recognizable governance or that things that go on within an ecosystem are legal?
Vlad Zubenko @ ETS
01:08:11
Sorry, gotta jump on the next call. Thank you Steve, very informative
Nick M
01:10:09
Thank you so much Stephen. Great job! Got to go now. Nick Meyne
Phil Wolff
01:10:15
This is a great pattern.