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Writers block and getting through it - Shared screen with speaker view
Nicole Phelan
15:53
Welcome to today's webinar "Writers block & getting through it" with Cassily Charles
Nicole Phelan
16:12
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Nicole Phelan
16:24
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Jane Phuong
18:08
Good afternoon Mel, Cassily and Nicole
Jenny Care
20:02
Hi all, Leonard Cohen's hallelujah has been playing in my head for days.
Nicky Baker
20:20
2nd year PhD student, Adelaide, waiting for the rain that's forecast (dog's being silly so I know its coming!)
Ruth Ong
20:27
Hi, I’m Ruth, and I just started my PhD on Lighting Design
Emma Radbron
20:43
Hi I’m Emma, final year nursing phd candidate in Sydney
Libby HAMMOND
20:44
Libby from South Australia and thank you Cassily for keeping me company while I have been in quarantine the past two weeks.
Jenny Care
20:55
1st year PhD, researching the regulation of traditional and complementary medicine professions
Jenny Care
21:19
Yes some but not others, that's the quesion
Jane Phuong
21:30
Jane from Canberra, working on how conceptual metaphors are language, thought and communication.
Jane Phuong
21:45
It is
DESI SAFRIANA
21:57
Hi, I am Desi from Indonesia, 1st year of Phd at QUT, my research topic is post disastee reconstruction
David Lim
23:15
Dave from Perth, 1st year PhD on improving chronic kidney disease outcomes through linked data modelling.
Jenny Care
23:54
Interesting David, I have an interest in CKD
Jenny Care
29:12
That's certainly what my writing looks like right now, messy
Ruth Ong
30:27
I am definitely a planner :))
Libby HAMMOND
32:11
Can you be both?
Nicky Baker
32:32
I am a clear drafter - dump everything and then sort it out after
Elizabeth-Rose Amidjogbe
34:14
I just realized that I’m a planner and my supervisors are drafters
Libby HAMMOND
34:15
Great photo for a Saturday afternoon
Elizabeth-Rose Amidjogbe
34:51
what would a halfway point look like?
Education at Digital Health CRC
37:16
https://thesiswhisperer.com/2013/03/20/are-you-on-the-same-page-as-your-supervisor/
Nicky Baker
37:17
great advice to be comfortable and own your own process :)
Elizabeth-Rose Amidjogbe
38:02
thx Mel
Elizabeth-Rose Amidjogbe
40:19
my first step in writing is complete and absolute panic!
Elizabeth-Rose Amidjogbe
40:32
which immobilizes me
Elizabeth-Rose Amidjogbe
40:58
then I recognize that the world won’t end if I get it wrong
Ruth Ong
42:18
I love the mindmapping process
Nicky Baker
42:21
yes, with the submit button on journals
Jenny Care
42:31
sometimes if I've put together a really good para
Elizabeth-Rose Amidjogbe
42:31
when I flow or get new ideas
Libby HAMMOND
42:38
Yes, but I feel like I have lost the joy of writing since doing my phd
Libby HAMMOND
43:13
I am in my 7th year so time might be part of it
Libby HAMMOND
44:13
I write with a group once a week and that is the best one hour of my writing week
Elizabeth-Rose Amidjogbe
44:22
there was a group we were supposed to start from one of your previous seminars
Elizabeth-Rose Amidjogbe
44:35
I definitely need this
Lijun Summerhayes
45:01
comparison can be very stressful, especially when i see peers similar to mine has already published a few papers, and I am still working on my confirmation stage ! this can be stressful
Nicky Baker
46:27
Loving the bridges!
Elizabeth-Rose Amidjogbe
46:31
that made me smile, thank you
Lijun Summerhayes
46:40
agreed, I should re-adjust my realistic expectations as well
Jenny Care
46:49
I go through ups and downs
Ruth Ong
47:05
i thought my mind mapping process was weird, that other people didn’t do it. so thank you for sharing that people do have different processes
Libby HAMMOND
47:26
I have struggled with the process, as I think I was naturally a planner but I feel like I have become more of a drafter because I kept being told to write, write and now I have a huge amount of writing to work out
Farshid Anvari
47:43
how many rejects are normal before successful publication
David Lim
49:34
I can't see how can one be just a planner or just a drafter. I plan the main outline, and then draft many times, and then rearrange the planning if required.
Elizabeth-Rose Amidjogbe
49:45
I wish I had scaffolding
Elizabeth-Rose Amidjogbe
50:28
I take that back, my colleagues have been amazing in the trenches with me
Jenny Care
50:48
Go to colleagues or supervisors
Tracy Kakyo
50:58
supervisors
Nicky Baker
50:59
Talking it over with other phD students. Talking helps me.
Lijun Summerhayes
51:00
COVID has created physical barriers for knowing other peers in my campus after I just started PhD
Farshid Anvari
51:07
no money
Libby HAMMOND
51:28
I have joined the OWLS on facebook and they are encouraging and helpful too
Mengjiong Bai
51:34
yep, got many helps from classmates and flatmate who speak English as the first language
Ruth Ong
51:49
no helpers, i usually work by myself :|
Lijun Summerhayes
52:27
I am interested in this shut up and write group
Mengjiong Bai
52:29
there's writing group at my school
Mengjiong Bai
52:46
we have regular meeting every week
MEREDITH BOX
54:21
I joined an 'unofficial SUAW' group at another university in Canberra and it worked out very well. Mostly part-time people and writing 50 mins per hour daily from 5-9PM. It is working well.
Mengjiong Bai
55:25
There's also many good video on Youtube talks about writing - https://sites.google.com/view/making-reviews-great-again
Jane Phuong
55:32
Meredith, is it far from UC and welcome new member?
Libby HAMMOND
56:27
My Dean is Tara Brabazon and she has numerous Vlogs that she does weekly on YouTube
MEREDITH BOX
56:43
JANE, Very open to new members. And as close as your keyboard.
Jenny Care
56:54
Oooh lucky you Libby Hammond!! I envy you!
Mengjiong Bai
56:59
Cool
Libby HAMMOND
57:17
I write with Tara every week. She is hilarious
Jenny Care
57:39
I can imagine and I bet you get lots done with all that positive energy
Jane Phuong
58:17
I'll email you to ask for more Meredith, are you still in building 6?
Libby HAMMOND
58:31
Tara has kept me sane and without her I would not have kept going
Jenny Care
59:21
I hear you. Give Tara my love. I don't know her but have watched all her vlogs. She is my academic herol.
Libby HAMMOND
01:00:10
Will do! Would have loved to have had her as my supervisor because she doesn't hold her students up.
Jenny Care
01:00:48
I keep a list handy of itsy bitsy things that I can do when I am brain dead
Libby HAMMOND
01:01:05
Yes, the low hanging fruit that is easy to do
Jenny Care
01:01:42
Yes, like updating my graduate research study plan (do it when I am brain dead lol)
Libby HAMMOND
01:03:07
I tried the storyline idea with my supervisor last week and it worked really well
Mengjiong Bai
01:03:36
Yeah, it's a good idea, coz I always do the easier things first, after that I have no time/energy to get the fruits that hunging higher.
Yuwei Sun
01:05:45
Forget to click “To all panelist and attendees”. Does the storyline look like the mind-map?
Libby HAMMOND
01:07:30
I have decided to put some of my stories etc into the appendices instead of in my thesis.
Nicky Baker
01:08:36
Procrasti-cleaning?
Jenny Care
01:08:52
funny Nicky
Libby HAMMOND
01:09:02
Love it
Lijun Summerhayes
01:09:33
glad to know that I am not alone experiencing fear and anxious
Harriet Simpson-Southward
01:09:44
My principal supervisor stopped responding to my emails, went on long-term service leave and then retired. My co-supervisor left the university for another job. I am still trying to get another supervisor officially appointed and have been given someone but they have never supervised before and don't work in my discipline. They always seek advice from my old principal supervisor but her doesn't respond.
Libby HAMMOND
01:10:22
Worry is a big one for me
Jenny Care
01:10:24
oh gosh that's tough Harriet.
Libby HAMMOND
01:10:39
Harriet that sounds really tough
Lijun Summerhayes
01:11:23
Harriet - i feel your pain…my principal supervisor doest know much about my research topic as well, which means I need work it out myself
Libby HAMMOND
01:12:01
It is hard to write when you are having issues with your supervisor
MEREDITH BOX
01:12:47
I am so sorry to hear this. I had to take a day off ... to put our supervisor up for a supervisor's award. She has been great! And is still.
Nicky Baker
01:12:56
I find that the worry 'appears' in the middle of the night - wake up highly anxious.
Libby HAMMOND
01:13:15
My worry comes when I am not working on my PhD
Lijun Summerhayes
01:13:27
Nicky - i have sleepless nights too
Jenny Care
01:14:29
I need to keep reminding myself to be non-judgemental about my writing, because I fixate on the crappy writing and keep trying to work it out rather than pushing on and keep getting words on a page.
Libby HAMMOND
01:14:54
It is hard when you are sleeping next to your desk
Lijun Summerhayes
01:15:15
Jenny - thanks for sharing
Nicky Baker
01:15:22
That's helpful Jenny and a bit sad Libby - is that because you're still in lockdown
Libby HAMMOND
01:15:54
Yes, in quarantine, will sleep away from my desk soon.
Nicky Baker
01:16:05
:)
Mengjiong Bai
01:16:27
In the past July, I worried too much that can't find a job after graduating, and then I talked with my supervisor, my co-supervisor, the head of school, a professor in my school which have had good experiences in my industry.
Jenny Care
01:16:50
Not for me, the lockdown has been a bit tough but I felt like I was in lockdown from starting the PhD
Lijun Summerhayes
01:17:43
PhD =Lockdown
Elizabeth-Rose Amidjogbe
01:17:53
lol
Nicky Baker
01:18:05
Desensitising?
Jenny Care
01:18:46
Good quote from iThinkWell…….embrace your inner crapness (the first draft often is crap), and from Tara B, her first draft is always terrible. Gives me comfort
Libby HAMMOND
01:19:13
:-)
Nicky Baker
01:19:14
great quote
Lijun Summerhayes
01:19:32
love that quote
Jenny Care
01:20:03
iThinkWell, Maria Gardiner and Hugh Kearns
Libby HAMMOND
01:20:48
I snap at my kids and I know that I need a break
MEREDITH BOX
01:20:57
I have a great swimming pool and I try to get there at 6am, then have a nap in the afternoon. If I don't exercise I fall apart.
Jenny Care
01:21:05
I snap at others too
Nicky Baker
01:21:44
Walk the dog round the block - movement eases the stress but the rhythm of walking helps me think
Libby HAMMOND
01:21:56
I went part time because life was throwing me too many curve balls
Tracy Kakyo
01:21:58
meditation helps as well
MEREDITH BOX
01:22:18
the dogs are always joyful too
Jenny Care
01:22:26
dogs rock
Jenny Care
01:22:45
greater destressors
MEREDITH BOX
01:23:02
dogs smile, dogs rock!
Farshid Anvari
01:23:20
so do chooks
MEREDITH BOX
01:23:29
agreed
Jenny Care
01:23:34
chooks rock
Farshid Anvari
01:23:38
eggs are nice
Nicky Baker
01:23:44
absolutely - the pet therapy is gold
Jenny Care
01:23:47
actually animals rock
Lijun Summerhayes
01:23:58
LOL
Burhanudin Syaifulloh
01:25:39
Dogs are good Meredith to increase mood.
MEREDITH BOX
01:26:38
Funny story. I thought my writing was terrible. Then I came across some really well written analysis of the same topic. Actually it wa what I had written a few months before. Since then I do a draft and number it. Finding that great Old stuff was an eye opener.!! Dogs agreed.
Jenny Care
01:27:20
What a wonderful story Meredith - what a buzz you must have got from that
Libby HAMMOND
01:27:27
That's funny and encouraging Meredith
Nicky Baker
01:28:54
That is a pearl, Meredith. I am going to remember that!
Jane Phuong
01:29:34
I miss your dogs, I may ask them about my writing next time :))
Libby HAMMOND
01:29:56
I find I do have to push through those feelings even if it is for just for a few minutes and then I find before I know it I have been writing for half an hour
MEREDITH BOX
01:30:05
Yep. Give it a date and number. I felt a bit stupid for losing it. But it woke me up. I realised I needed to organise my data a bit better. But that was easy.
Lijun Summerhayes
01:30:07
that’s a great tip - making smaller steps even in doubt
Jenny Care
01:31:20
I love the idea of letting someone know what I did today - just told my husband what I achieved today, felt good!!
Jenny Care
01:31:42
Yep Rod said he would remind me :)
Jenny Care
01:32:06
Rod says hello Cassily and everyone!
MEREDITH BOX
01:32:20
Hey Rod!
Jenny Care
01:32:32
hahaaa
MEREDITH BOX
01:32:56
I work in different places.
Libby HAMMOND
01:34:00
Yes I've moved my desk to about five different rooms in my house over the past seven years
Dan Dai
01:34:02
wow!
Jenny Care
01:34:08
Big wow!!
Lijun Summerhayes
01:34:37
such a an inspirational story, Cassily
Jenny Care
01:34:48
I got a large monitor.....has been wonderful. Was working from a laptop screen but large screen is unbelievably good
Nicky Baker
01:34:53
Knowing yourself - your habits, your stressors, your strengths - such good advice, thank you.
MEREDITH BOX
01:35:05
I got Dragon Dictate and then I sit back with my feet up and talk to the screen. But I also made a habit change making sub headings. The talking out loud changed the game.
Jenny Care
01:35:33
I haven't yet tried voice to text, interesting Meredith. Might check it our.
Libby HAMMOND
01:35:42
I have dragon dictate but I didn't persist with it, maybe I should try it again
Nicky Baker
01:35:57
I talk to others, so your strategy may give them a bit of peace!
MEREDITH BOX
01:36:44
It worked well for me. Sometimes I turn it off. But it also stopped wrist stress.
Nicky Baker
01:38:05
the skeleton with dot points and yes i'm a drafter
Jenny Care
01:38:05
No I haven't
Jane Phuong
01:38:07
I haven't heard about this before
Libby HAMMOND
01:38:08
Yes Ive tried free writing and it is great
Emma Radbron
01:38:16
Yep I’ve tried it and use befocused app for timing
Damayanthi Mahamadachchi
01:38:27
yes I did it
Elizabeth-Rose Amidjogbe
01:38:29
I’ve tried it out
Lijun Summerhayes
01:38:38
I have tried, but feel like it might be more time consuming looking for and inserting references afterwards
Emma Radbron
01:38:51
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/be-focused-focus-timer/id973130201
Lijun Summerhayes
01:41:15
free-writing sounds interesting, will try it
Jenny Care
01:41:54
I have tried this one a few times and I then find that my writing turns to academic writing
MEREDITH BOX
01:42:23
yes. free writing is like dogs and chooks. it rocks.
Libby HAMMOND
01:42:27
Great to get stuff out of your head
Mengjiong Bai
01:42:41
I used tomato clock writing 25 min , break 5 min
Nicky Baker
01:43:11
I like the accountability side of it - meet to write
Jane Phuong
01:43:44
Thank you Cassily, Mel and Nicole for your quality time. Thanks everyone for your sharing. Cheers. Jane
Tanapond Swanpitak
01:43:45
Thank you everyone
Lijun Summerhayes
01:43:50
it has been great, many thanks for another wonderful workshop, Cassily! have a great weekend all!
Mengjiong Bai
01:43:52
Thank you
Camilla Beale
01:43:53
This was so helpful. Thank you so much
David Lim
01:43:57
Thanks for sharing these useful tips
Libby HAMMOND
01:44:00
Thank you Cassily and keeping me company in quarantine, hopefully I'll be out on Monday!!
Tracy Kakyo
01:44:00
thank you!
Jenny Care
01:44:01
Thanks Cassily, Mel and Nicole. Another terrific session.
Damayanthi Mahamadachchi
01:44:03
Thank you very much this was very useful
Emma Radbron
01:44:14
Thank you this was super practical!
Mengjiong Bai
01:44:23
Very helpful policy
MEREDITH BOX
01:44:33
Thank you indeed. It has been very helpful.
Nicky Baker
01:44:34
Thanks to Cassily and everyone for sharing. Very practical strategies.
Jenny Care
01:44:44
Will miss you Cassily.
Yuwei Sun
01:44:58
Thanks so much, Cassily
Harriet Simpson-Southward
01:45:10
These have been some of the best webinars I've attended. :)