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July 2021 ANC 6A TPS Meeting - Shared screen with speaker view
Gordon Chaffin
28:18
Hello, everyone. Just an FYI that I'm attending tonight as a reporter. I'm Gordon, Deputy Editor at Street Sense.
Keya Chatterjee 6A01
29:49
So attendees are aware, there are currently 79 people online, and climbing. I know that isn’t visible to everyone so wanted to share.
Robb Dooling, 6A06 (he/they)
30:18
We should be able to take up to 500 people
Robb Dooling, 6A06 (he/they)
30:44
Agenda: https://anc6a.org/wp-content/uploads/TPSA0721.pdf
Jessica Sutter
32:02
Thanks, Commissioner! I’m glad to be here tonight in my role as both an ANC6A neighbor (on 13th St NE) and as DC State Board of Education (SBOE) representative for Ward 6 -Jessica Sutter
Christine Mullins
32:29
Please respond to all panelists AND attendees so everyone can see your comments in the chat.
Keya Chatterjee 6A01
33:30
FYI- now at 92 participants
Amber Gove 6A04
35:18
Feel free to email me at 6A04@anc.dc.gov with comments. So great to have everyone here and thanks for joining.
Colleen Moss
38:16
Colleen Moss from 1375 A Street NE is on as well. Sorry, I had to switch from my phone to my laptop in case you are keeping a tally of individuals on the line.
Nick Alberti ABL
38:33
Will has stated that the C St project plan form 2018 includes plans for the 1300 block of N Carolina. Could George Branyan please point to where in the C St project plan the 1300 block of NC Ave is discussed
Elizabeth
40:21
The 1300 block of NC Ave was not included in the 2014 plan. Not an oversight - a conscious decision was made that it was not needed on or suitable for this block. Instead, there are dedicated bike lanes on 14th, 15th, C and East Capitol Streets - just a block away. Sending bikes straight into the “mixing bowl” at Lincoln Park is not as safe as routing them slightly off the park.
michael cushman
44:52
Please show the Westbound intersection
Mark Grace
45:19
If you cannot say why it was left off, it comes off as an 11th hour decision not open to public review
Mark Grace
46:20
The two existing bike lanes on E. Cap and on C. Street feed directly into the RFK fields
Elizabeth
47:08
It’s easy to get across the Hill using C St. or East Capitol. There’s no reason why someone would need to use NC Ave
Gordon Chaffin
47:29
What does "easy" mean to a beginner bicyclist?
George Branyan DDOT
47:33
We have many contra flow bike lanes on one-way streets and they perform safely.
Jennie Allen
47:37
There are lots of roads. Lincoln park is not a mixing bowl it is a park
Arabella Kohlmeyer
48:36
really?
Jessica Sutter
48:49
The NJ ave SE lane is GREAT! Thank you for making those changes
michael cushman
49:45
removes 32 parking spaces (actual, counted)
Arabella Kohlmeyer
50:17
No parking should be removed.
Jessica Sutter
50:44
A loss of parking would be difficult for the community.
marta
51:10
An unsafe roadway is already a difficulty for the community
michael cushman
51:11
"nature of complexity" --> breaks the auto connectivity network
michael cushman
53:26
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michael cushman
53:28
55
Stefanie
53:38
The lack of transparency and the pile on from DDOT is remarkable. Gordon, please reach out if you want more information.
Stefan
53:41
why do you keep ignoring the fact that the reroute goes right through a school boundary?
michael cushman
54:12
total 600 outbound
Gordon Chaffin
54:13
@Stefanie, I civer DDOT all over the District and this project has progressed with high levels of transparency.
michael cushman
54:19
that is local streets numbers.
Gordon Chaffin
54:27
cover*
Jonathan V
54:39
Not clear why ‘small volume for us in DDOT’ is relevant in this discussion. This is not a high-volume neighborhood
Billy
54:44
GIven the time frame that this project has taken, as a resident of the street in question, I feel that I've been very well communicated with
michael cushman
55:00
but the diversion analysis also showed a broken future state
Stefanie
55:01
But not documented online — they noted the error. @gordon
Christine Mullins
55:06
Please see this article in the Washington Post. One-way streets are MORE dangerous. Cars drive faster on on-way streets. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/04/17/why-one-way-streets-really-are-the-worst/
Niels Voorhoeve
55:06
Plenty of transparency on this project. This is the 3rd public meeting PRIOR to the NOI.
Elizabeth
55:29
It’s less that 2 minutes for a cyclist to use East Capitol to 14th or 15th instead of NC Ave.
michael cushman
55:34
We did... 2-4 minutes depending on whether you make the light at constitution and 13th
Gordon Chaffin
55:50
All ANC 6A discussions on this project were properly noticed and documented. ANC 6A Commissiioners have made it easy to follow this project for several years.
Billy
55:52
If one of the key arguments against bike lanes is that other roads exist and it doesn't take too long to use them, the same argument could easily be made in reverse. Why is it important to maintain two way traffic if other roads like E Cap & constitution exist?
michael cushman
55:54
but also unnecessary unless you break the street
alex kelly
56:17
Don’t the “diversion rates” apply equally to cyclists who divert around North Carolina? The time difference for cyclists going down to east capitol or continuing on C St would only be 1-2 minutes…
Stefanie
56:44
If you’d received recent comms referencing it opaquely, you wouldn’t say it’s transparent at all
Gordon Chaffin
57:06
I've received many of those documents and they have been thorough
Stefanie
57:47
not sure we’re talking about the same thing, Gordon. Hence you not having the full story.
Gordon Chaffin
58:46
I understand you feel that way, Stephanie. I cover DDOT better than anyone in the city IMHO. There is no credible evidence for your claim.
Stefanie
59:04
I can provide it.
Stefanie
59:32
gordon is a schill
Jessica Sutter
59:35
As someone who regularly cycles all of the local bike lanes & falls into the confident rider category, I prefer Option C with buffered lanes. Riding in the newly installed protected lanes are far less stressful, even as a confident rider.
Gordon Chaffin
59:40
I welcome anything you or anyone else has. Please, reach out: Gordon@streetsensemedia.org
Stefanie
59:45
got it
Billy
01:00:13
I agree with Jessica
Billy
01:00:25
many of the new buffered lane projects are wonderful to ride
Jennie Allen
01:00:50
Plus two to Jessica
Robb Dooling, 6A06 (he/they)
01:01:52
Friendly reminder that we are not yet voting or making any formal ANC recommendation on this project tonight - that will be in a future ANC meeting
Jonathan Chen - Vendor
01:01:57
A biker riding westbound off of c will have to cross right turn traffic off of C street on 16th Street and cross Constitution West bound traffic right before 14th street. It does not seem very biker frinedly
Jonathan Chen - Vendor
01:02:01
*friendly
Delancey Gustin
01:02:14
Yes, coming westbound and crossing C street and then constitution is very stressful by bike
Brent Huggins
01:02:34
I worry less about dying when I use a protected bike lanes.
michael cushman
01:02:38
Gordon, The ANC notice tor the January meeting was "DDoT to discuss traffic calming options for 1300-1400 block of North Carolina Ave NE and related bike lane connectivity issues as part of C Street NE redesign plans."
Gordon Chaffin
01:03:01
@Michael, that was also what I received.
michael cushman
01:03:04
Gordon, Will is going through the connectivity at 14th street for the first time tonight.
michael cushman
01:03:27
No discussion happened on Jan meeting re: traffic calming
Jonathan V
01:04:29
With the dangerous connectivity issues planned at the left turn @ NC/14th, and the existing C St bike lanes, it’s not clear why these NC bike lanes are a requirement at all.
Billy
01:04:30
Yes, but much of the new info today has come from us residents asking for more information at past meetings, and generally every time information has been asked for, it's been presented at a future meeting
Gordon Chaffin
01:04:34
@Michael the presentation has been different everytime, but that doesn't constitute lack of transparency. Again, email me if you have sunstanative claims.
Gordon Chaffin
01:04:44
substantive*
Brent Huggins
01:05:14
Regarding considerations of neighbors, I would say not being killed by a car is a big worry and concern. There have already been too many people killed by cars in dc.
Nick Alberti ABL
01:05:29
‘Connectivity issues as part to he C St Project’ does not tell us that they are planning bike lanes on 1330 block of NC AVe
Gordon Chaffin
01:05:47
@Nick, that's literally what that means, yes
Gina A.
01:05:47
I live in the 100 bl of Kentucky (full disclosure, I also work for DDOT, but not on this project) and I take NC a lot to C Street and then to RFK. It would be so great to have a PBL-I like others have found myself riding more, the more PBLs that go in around the city. If you want to keep the parking, do the one-way conversion. It will be fine.
Elizabeth
01:06:03
Actually, the neighbors didn’t say “go somewhere else” - we have an alternative plan that will allow livable conditions for people who live on the 1300 block of NC Ave and also nearby streets - and also provide bicycle safety.
Gordon Chaffin
01:06:09
"Connectivity" for all modes is what DDOT does
michael cushman
01:06:39
connectivity and traffic calming -- tonight we get SOME info -- but never before in the multiple times they've presented. which is very non-transparent in tone and subject naming.
Gordon Chaffin
01:07:02
@Michael, it's a project in development, and that's totally normal
Nick Alberti ABL
01:07:51
East Capitol St is the best route heading west from Lincoln Park. Why would anyone chose to travel to NC Ave if they are head west from Lincoln Park
michael cushman
01:07:54
it would be great to have a PBL, but Gina, If DDOT had done a better job PLANNING they would have been $$$ to fit the PBLs into the street without breaking the automobile network.
Elizabeth
01:08:13
Most of the cyclists I know also have cars, want to be able to park them, and move freely through the streets. I used to be much more in favor of bike lanes than I am now. I’m soured now because they are being pursued to the disadvantage of every other use
Keya Chatterjee 6A01
01:08:32
Many thanks for the presentation Will and George!
Stefan
01:08:42
Gina, are you ok with putting Maury kids in danger? One way would put 100+ cars into the boundary each day
Stefanie
01:08:42
Still no answer to my question on whether one way westbound would decrease traffic flow on C st.
alex kelly
01:08:53
Is the petition in support of bike lanes available for the public to see? It seems that it should be.
Colleen Moss
01:09:10
we can see it!
Robb Dooling, 6A06 (he/they)
01:09:30
petition: https://p2a.co/laivrjb
Gina A.
01:09:57
Hi Stefan-Maury has one of the most protected areas around a school in the city. I am not concerned about a 100 car increase that occurs throughout the day.
Nicole Farkas Mogul
01:10:34
We are a couple of bicyclists who live around the corner from the block in question. Firstly, thank you to the organizers of this meeting and the DDOT folks. We are supportive of all proposals that ultimately reduce the impact of cars and increase the options for safe biking.
Katy Giefer
01:11:07
Second that but live on NC Ave
Stefan
01:11:23
Its not through the day...it's at rush hour when kids are getting leaving after after care. Do your kids go to Maury? mine do. would you be ok with another 100 cars getting diverted to your kids walking patterns?
Gordon Chaffin
01:11:48
Does "dedicated bike lane" mean protected bike lane?
Gordon Chaffin
01:12:12
I see, so paint as protection
Gina A.
01:13:45
2/3 of my my kids are out of college, but we have dealt with drivers in this neighborhood impeding my kids’ bicycle travel since 1996.
Stefan
01:13:46
Gordon what is your proposal at Lincoln Park. Only paint protection there...clearly that needs to be changed no?
Elizabeth Kelly
01:13:46
delancey skipped very quickly through the graphic of the shadow, please show that again
Jonathan Chen - Vendor
01:13:57
I would support a ABL on the 1300 block
Nick Alberti ABL
01:13:59
Gina - The Maury community has had continuing concerns about unsafe traffic condition, especially during rush hours. It isvery incentive to suggest that any increase in traffic at the Maury intersection would not negatively effect students and families.
Jonathan V
01:14:02
Many many more examples of both sharrows and advisory bike lanes across the city
michael cushman
01:14:18
But Gordon, DDoT just okayed the standard bike lane (or pejoratively, "paint as protection") as one of their alternatives.
Jonathan V
01:14:30
I support ABL on 1300 blk of NC NE
Gordon Chaffin
01:14:55
As one of several alternatives, mpost of which had physical protection.
Gordon Chaffin
01:15:51
Many Kingman Park residents strongly dislike that 17th design because it has not reduced speeding, though it has a cool mini-roundabout
Jessica Sutter
01:15:55
@Delancy - does the community proposal maintain two way traffic? Does it maintain all parking? (I apologize for not having picked this up - this was my time seeing that presentation)
Stefan
01:16:16
Jessica...yes it does
Jonathan Chen - Vendor
01:16:20
@jess -yes
Delancey Gustin
01:16:24
@Jessica - yes, bidirectional traffic and most parking would be maintained
Jessica Sutter
01:16:42
Thanks, all!
alex kelly
01:16:51
Maybe 17th street doesn’t work well, but it has 3 times the amount of traffic!
Christine Mullins
01:17:00
Students from Maury, would not be going east on the 1300 block of NC.
michael cushman
01:17:06
But Tennessee Ave is a commuter cutthrough route
Delancey Gustin
01:17:14
But please try it with us!
Garrett Hennigan
01:17:54
From 2019 DDOT data, Kentucky Ave SE sees 1,490 trips, which is 1/2 that of North Carolina for the same year (2,956) on average. Not sure where you got 10,000 trips for Kentucky. The amount of traffic very much matters for determining who will be willing to share a lane with a car and 3,000 daily cars or traffic peaks are well outside the accepted limits of “low-stress"
Jonathan V
01:18:01
But didn’t Will state that the eastbound volume of NC NE was in fact low volume??
Delancey Gustin
01:18:29
@garrett - 10,000 was for 17th St SE, not Kentucky
Garrett Hennigan
01:18:49
You can explore that data in DDOT’s Roadway Centerline open data portal here: https://opendata.dc.gov/pages/roadway-centerlines
Jonathan Chen - Vendor
01:18:56
NC Westbound traffic is peaky b/c there are no speed humps on the road. If we added multiple speed humps, it would divert traffic back to main road ateriels such as Constitution or C ST NE
Christine Mullins
01:19:14
This would be easy to change in 5 years if we have to. We are just painting the road. Go with the compromise now.
Christine Mullins
01:19:28
What is the DDOT standard?
Gordon Chaffin
01:19:47
The DDOT standard is safe-for-all bike lanes -- protected bike lanes.
Garrett Hennigan
01:19:51
@Delancey, thanks for clarifying. My mistake
Brent Huggins
01:20:29
Cars honk at me and hate me when I’m on a sharrow, as a biker.
Billy
01:20:37
My concern with sharrows is that drivers who are not already inclined to share the road with cyclists won't be significantly affected by them, so will have minimal affect in practice
Delancey Gustin
01:20:39
@garrett - what is your view of sharrows on a 600 AADT lane?
Hibret Tilahun
01:20:39
shared bike lanes are not safe.
Gordon Chaffin
01:20:44
Advocates and national traffic safety experts consider "sharrows" worse than no paint at all
Stefan
01:20:50
what is DDot position on the ability to age in place and kid safety....since clearly this plan only cares about people on bikes
michael cushman
01:21:50
This is a ONE BLOCK segment
Delancey Gustin
01:21:53
19th street is a very high stress street, i agree
Stefan
01:22:04
My kids live in this neighborhood they will be less safe. But thanks for talking down to us DDot
Delancey Gustin
01:22:07
but the eastbound side of 1300 NC is not - it is very low stress
michael cushman
01:22:10
So 10 years old is the definition of "all ages"
Jonathan Chen - Vendor
01:22:20
Sharrows plus speed humps
Jonathan Chen - Vendor
01:22:32
There are no speed humps on 19th
Kenyon Weaver
01:22:33
As a resident of the 1300 block of NC Ave, I am enthusiastic about two full bike lines. Alternative C seems to make the most sense. Three reasons: (1) Mobility: We love the walkable and bikable environment. But I won’t allow my 7 or 9 year old on sharrows. Not with drivers in this area. I am excited that families from all over will be able to reach RFK Fields, Kingman Island, Eastern Market, by bike on our ave and NC Ave and look forward to waving to them; (2) Climate: we need to take steps to encourage safe low and zero-carbon options, full steps and not half steps; (3) Community: Living in DC means trade-offs. I will definitely be inconvenienced without the Eastbound NC Ave - I use it all the time. But, I also embrace the idea of giving up a little to get a lot - a fully connected network that my kids can get to/from school on.
Gordon Chaffin
01:22:39
My guess is that NC Ave is a collector at least, and therefore can't have speed humps.
Liz Campbell
01:23:05
I think an important point of the one-way option is the elimination of the east bound turn onto NC from 13th which has always been an unsafe corner and a concern when my kids walk to Maury.
alex kelly
01:23:06
Is DDOT planning to fix all the “unsafe” sharrows that they have just installed, or just leave them and move on to the next thing?
Elizabeth
01:23:16
Public enthusiasm for bike lanes will wane when folks realize the implications - loss of parking and miserable traffic patterns.
Gordon Chaffin
01:23:39
@Elizabeth, I assure you that loss of parking has never, ever, ever not been known
Billy
01:23:58
I'm not sure that I believe that is true. Only one of the many proposals lose significant parking. Making the street one way actually opens up new parking for the church on the corner
Garrett Hennigan
01:24:22
Recent research actually shows that Sharrows can actually increase bicyclist crashes & injuries over streets without them. Dedicated lanes, especially protected ones, however increase safety for all road users. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330266807_Advancing_Healthy_Cities_Through_Safer_Cycling_An_Examination_of_Shared_Lane_Markings
Billy
01:24:39
In addition, enthusiasm for bike lanes is driven by residents looking to alternatives to driving. I know my enthusiasm for driving has certainly waned over the years, but that doesn't mean I advocate getting rid of roads
Liz
01:24:45
I know, Alex—there are absolutely fresh sharrows in the neighborhood, I think on Tennesssee . If they are “unsafe,” why were they created in the past two months? A right-hand left-hand thing some to mind.
michael cushman
01:25:43
has the tsa report been created? has it been released?
Robb Dooling, 6A06 (he/they)
01:25:50
Hi, to clarify, the Tennessee Ave project is not a sharrows project - these are advisory bike lanes
Jonathan Chen - Vendor
01:26:30
Hi Robb, the 100 block of TN Ave has a contra lane and a sharrows lane going to Lincoln Park
michael cushman
01:26:43
The ABL on TN ave is an advisory Bike lane, but the UNIT BLOCK is a sharrow with a contraflow striped bike lane.
Delancey Gustin
01:26:52
yes, @robb, i was talking about the unit bloc
Jonathan Chen - Vendor
01:27:06
100 block of TN ave has multiple speed bumps
Jonathan V
01:27:10
And if not sharrows for 1300 blk NC NE, then why not advisory bike lanes?
alex kelly
01:27:11
why is the request for raised crosswalks still in limbo while bike lanes go forward?
Christine Mullins
01:27:15
But where are the students traveling east on the 1300 block of NC Ave coming from? Since the north side of Lincoln Park is one way going west, who are the kids going east?
Robb Dooling, 6A06 (he/they)
01:27:37
my bad - thanks for clarifying on Tenn!
Amber Gove 6A04
01:27:40
They are headed to Eliot-Hine MS.
michael cushman
01:27:42
I saw a utility truck on Constitution hit the new mid-block speed hump... It made a big impression on the driver.
Gordon Chaffin
01:27:48
TSA requests are coming into DDOT by the hundreds per year and there's a 2-3 year backlog
Mark Grace
01:28:21
Can we make sure we hear all the voices from the community please?
Delancey Gustin
01:28:23
The lane would be the same width - 10"
michael cushman
01:28:28
Yet the TSA was used as the excuse for this one-block bike lane proposal. "The ANC asked for it..."
Christine Mullins
01:28:29
It is safer for the kids going to Eliot from the West, to take East Capitol.
alex kelly
01:28:33
But why is it a lower priority than bike lanes ?
Gordon Chaffin
01:28:48
TSA studies are done totally by a contractor firm
Gordon Chaffin
01:28:55
Bike/Ped plans have an internal team
Christine Mullins
01:29:38
Amber your children going to Elliot will not be taking North Carolina East.
Nick Alberti ABL
01:29:45
Why increase traffic at Maury intersection if Amber is so concern about safety at Maury
Riley
01:29:54
Yes I will
Elizabeth
01:30:25
That was a horrible accident but the child walked out against the light before the crosswalk, not in it. Again it was horrible but it had nothing to do with bike lanes.
Gordon Chaffin
01:30:43
This is probably not a space to blame the victim...
Jacquelyn Guy
01:30:50
It won't change it from a highway, Amber!
Christine Mullins
01:31:28
I can count 6 kids who might benefit from going East on North Carolina, and there is no guarantee they will attend Ellot. If they do, we can reconsider this 6 years from now. We can easily repaint the road.
Jacquelyn Guy
01:31:42
Delancey's plan benefits all but DDOT isn't willing to hear us.
Gordon Chaffin
01:31:48
It takes years and years to change the design of a road
michael cushman
01:31:53
Oh, so now we are going to re-engineer all aspects of the road and bike network ad hoc in response to what we break after each modification.
Gina A.
01:32:57
Two of the kids on my block (100 Kentucky) are attending Eliot next year, and the dad of one of them specifically asked about the possibility of a PBL all the way to Eliot.
Billy
01:32:58
Keep in mind that Eliot Hine is not the only reason to bike eastbound from here. The Anacostia trail, which is not easily accessible from east capitol due to the roads around RFK, as well as the RFK fields are also in that direction
Gordon Chaffin
01:33:08
Usually it takes 2-15 years to even re-paint a street. Or it takes weeks after a motorist murders someone.
Gordon Chaffin
01:33:17
So, it depends.
Christine Mullins
01:34:05
If you live on Kentucky Ave, going to Eliot, you would go on East Capitol, not North Carolina.
Domonique James
01:34:07
YES, Gordon —— it depends
Gina A.
01:34:46
But East Capitol does not have PBL=whereas the NC Ave + C Street proposal does.
Gina A.
01:35:05
So for two 6th grade girls, that’s important
michael cushman
01:35:09
Gordon, take a look at the no longer visible bike lane striping on C and NC Ave in the C St re-engineering project.
Mark Grace
01:35:25
I have seen bad DDOT behavior
Gordon Chaffin
01:35:29
@Michael, you mean the one that took 10+ years to beg and plead to change?
Gordon Chaffin
01:35:38
C Street rehab is the worst example
michael cushman
01:35:50
But you can have a transportation system that utilizes all modes of transit
Gordon Chaffin
01:36:10
Meredith Holmgreen basically stalked DDOT Director to get C street through the contract procurment
Niels Voorhoeve
01:36:32
Amen.
Christine Mullins
01:36:34
Over 200 residents have signed a petition and DDOT is not listening. The ANC is to represent the people in our community. The people of DC are not traveling on our block.
michael cushman
01:36:38
Right, Gordon. The one where they forgot to extend the PBL to Lincoln park, which they could have done with re-building of this block to expand the street...
Billy
01:36:43
Thank you comm Chatterjee for that excellent statement
Mark Grace
01:36:47
Commissioner Keya presents as having a predetermined agenda
Brent Huggins
01:36:54
Yassss Keya!!
michael cushman
01:37:36
And Maryland Ave won't have protected bike lanes.
Garrett Hennigan
01:37:45
Well said commissioner Chatterjee
Gordon Chaffin
01:38:05
I'm sorry, Michael. Those designs are insufficient because they are old and outdated by safety standards.
Hibret Tilahun
01:38:15
Thank you Amber and Keya, and DDOT professionals!!!
Gordon Chaffin
01:38:43
Capital projects take 10-15 years usually and that means they break ground already unsafe.
Gina A.
01:39:03
Thank you Keya!
Christine Mullins
01:39:12
I do not like the suggestion that those who support a compromise solution are being lumped into a box that says we do not support measures to combat climate change. You have said that you do not like the personal nature of this, but you are making it personal. We support a bike lane and our neighbors.
Brent Huggins
01:39:29
Yeah, isn’t that sad micheal! :( I wish it was more than just paint.
Colleen Moss
01:39:30
Agree
Jacquelyn Guy
01:39:31
Well said, Christine.
Christine Mullins
01:40:19
There is a way to support all of these. I am very concerned about climate change. Remember that we live in DC please.
michael cushman
01:40:26
@gordon, which designs are insufficient? Painted bike lanes... not going to disagree that painted bike lanes on 4 lane highways is not a good plan... but they got PBL funded (Thanks to all that worked on that!!!)
Arabella Kohlmeyer
01:40:31
agree chris
Jonathan V
01:40:41
Agree, Christine
Elizabeth
01:41:02
I’m certainly concerned about climate change and I don’t see how forcing drivers to spend additional drive time circling for parking or negotiating additional one way streets is going to help with that.
michael cushman
01:41:04
Andrew burnett
Mona Hatoum
01:41:20
Thank you, Commissioner Chatterjee! I agree completely, and just want to add that bike lanes are the sole consideration when I decide whether or not to bike to a particular destination. I only started biking in DC during the pandemic - the lack of traffic made me feel safe enough to give it a try. Now that traffic has returned, I bike much less frequently. Protected bike lanes, and connected bike routes would really make the difference for me and people like me. I want to do my part, and this would really help! Thank you!
Colleen Moss
01:41:53
How many additional bikers are estimated to switch from driving cars as a result of these proposals?
Brent Huggins
01:42:03
Christine, a sharrow or strip of paint won’t get more people on bikes. Remember that image dot presented at the beginning that said there are 50 percent that aren’t comfortable yet. They need the protected bike lane to switch from a car. We have to shift from cars to combat climate change.
Gordon Chaffin
01:42:12
Data show paint-only bike lanes don't encourage more biking
Arabella Kohlmeyer
01:42:14
finally
Delancey Gustin
01:42:14
thank you, Andrew - I share that concern
michael cushman
01:42:18
you have to be nuts to bike on 17th street SB from rosedale
michael cushman
01:42:36
no ages unless superabilities
Gordon Chaffin
01:42:47
Only physical separation and protection encourages those "interested-but-concerned" group of people to drive less and bike more
Brent Huggins
01:42:55
Elizabeth, if we make biking safe. Then more folks will shift. Also, it means less traffic in the long run.
Mona Hatoum
01:43:42
I agree with Brent - biking was out of the question pre-pandemic. I didn’t even feel safe enough to try!
Christine Mullins
01:44:03
Let's try to arrive at a solution rather than backing into our respective corners, making stereotypical comments about others. I support bike lanes, I also support safe solutions for our kids. Our street has become a speedway and one-way streets are making our street less safe.
Jacquelyn Guy
01:44:30
THANK YOU MICHAEL!
Gordon Chaffin
01:44:34
@Christine, as DDOT said, creating extra-wide lanes is the problem with one-way traffic -- not the one-way status iteself
Jonathan Chen - Vendor
01:44:49
I agree with Michael
Gordon Chaffin
01:45:35
"Safety" to whomst?
Christine Mullins
01:45:37
Didn't a car crash into a house on the corner of C street, twice?
Jonathan V
01:45:40
Well said, Michael
michael cushman
01:47:13
ONLY 2% of DC Bike facilities on Local and Collector Roads are “protected bike lanes”. Standard bike lanes are 60% of bike facility miles on Collector streets and 20% of collector streets bike facilities are Sharrows.Alternatives that are presented tonight show that DDoT believes a standard bikelane westbound (the high traffic volume side) is an acceptable solution.On Tennessee Avenue DDOT has recently implemented a 10 foot wide shared lane, “sharrow” with brilliant lane markings to provide a safe bike facility for inbound bike riders as well as automobile traffic. The LTS segment in the MoveDC2021 document shows that this bike facility is rated as “All Bicyclists” in the Level of Traffic Stress.Going with a “PBL” solution is overkill for a project that wasn’t included in the MoveDC2021 in this round’s planning stage, isn’t wasn’t in the 20 by 2022 bicycle plans, wasn’t in the State Transportation Improvement Plan (STIP).So please, give us the traffic calming we have been asking for but don’t
Nick Burger (he/him)
01:48:10
But I think that’s the problem, not the solution, Michael. Only 2% are protected, which means we need to work hard to increase their numbers.
Gordon Chaffin
01:48:34
DC"s official Multimodal Accessibility Advisory Committee regularly supports protected bike lanes (the disabled residents body(
Keya Chatterjee 6A01
01:48:40
Thank you Ms. Kelly— I agree that we need to have parking for people with disabilities that require parking, including you and your child. I was asking for details on how we can achieve that.
michael cushman
01:48:43
Nick, when only 2% are PBL, there has to be higher priority items.
Billy
01:49:50
I'm not sure I agree with the argument that, since not many exist now, we shouldn't focus on them. Just because the ratio of PBLs to paint bike lanes is currently low doesn't mean that new projects should look to improve that ratio
Billy
01:49:57
*Shouldn't
michael cushman
01:50:03
There are higher priority streets, no?
Nick Burger (he/him)
01:50:36
Because there are so few they are low priority? I don’t follow. They are hard to install because the status quo is strongly in favor of traditional roads, parking, and driving. But they are by far the best and safest way to enable biking.
Robb Dooling, 6A06 (he/they)
01:51:11
just to be sure everyone is aware, Jessica Sutter is our Ward 6 State Board of Education representative = elected official = 5 minutes
michael cushman
01:51:31
We should increase PBLs, but targeted... Minor Arterials are 9% PBL... (Maryland Ave!!! oops)
Jessica Sutter
01:51:52
My email is Jessica.sutter@dc.gov
Jonathan Chen - Vendor
01:53:44
I agree that there are higher volume arterials that are missing PBLs such as Mass Ave West of 3rd ST NE to Union Station. That stretch is completely unprotected and a frequent commuter route.
Jacquelyn Guy
01:54:30
Well said, Colleen.
michael cushman
01:54:44
1300 block is a quiet street, except for the morning commuters that need to be slowed down and (potentially) diverted to arterial routes.
Niels Voorhoeve
01:55:41
Is there a correlation between bike lanes and crime? That would be a specious assertion.
Gordon Chaffin
01:56:27
That has been studied, and no, there's no connection between crime and bike lanes
Domonique James
01:56:32
Thanks, Elizabeth! I’m on the line :)
Colleen Moss
01:56:34
The lack of parking will make it harder for us to find parking near our homes. Has DDOT factored in safety for everyday taxpayers?
Niels Voorhoeve
01:56:40
But it is on this one.
Gwen Faulkner
01:56:42
Amen
Jacquelyn Guy
01:56:57
Exactly
Niels Voorhoeve
01:57:18
We need to prioritize bikes over cars or we will never reach our climate goals.
Gordon Chaffin
01:57:25
Would you let your 9 year old bike on East Capitol?
Christine Mullins
01:57:26
Removing parking is going to make it difficult for anyone with young children. Having to carry a sleeping child or an infant carseat 2-3 blocks, when it is dark is a lot to ask of parents.
Nick Burger (he/him)
01:57:32
There seems to be a lot of concerns about parking. Option C would preserve parking. That seems like the right way to go.
Colleen Moss
01:57:46
DDOT - Please tell us how many people will switch from cars to bikes under these proposals?
Garrett Hennigan
01:58:04
I think the thing we’re overlooking here is that East Capitol, though It’s had a bike lane since the 80’s, is not actually a truly low-stress bike route that’s safe for all ages and abilities
Jonathan V
01:58:10
The discussion about climate change and the as-presented binary choice between biking vs driving is confounded by electric vehicles. What about those affected residents who work often outside the city using electric vehicles?
alex kelly
01:58:28
Thank you, commissioner Chatterjee, for your concern for me and for me and for my son. however, the problem remains for my neighbors. Although I am thankful that the city can provide handicapped parking, many of my neighbors have multiple, small children, or are elderly. I am not satisfied with the solution provided just for my issue and not for my neighbors.
Gordon Chaffin
01:58:35
Electric vehicle use doesn't significantly change full-cycle carbon emissions. Batteries require mining.
Colleen Moss
01:58:42
Will questions being asked here be answered by DDOT? I have asked a couple
Delancey Gustin
01:58:46
@Maura - Mel Turner is having trouble raising his hand. he is under the name Mary Frieger. He is an older neighbor - could you consider calling on him, too?
Gordon Chaffin
01:58:48
Tire dust is a particulate pollutant.
Christine Mullins
01:59:16
Delancy's compromise will address everyone's concerns. In a true compromise no one is completely happy with the solution. I still don't understand why this compromise is not up to DDOT's "standards"
Gordon Chaffin
01:59:37
Does paint-bike lanes and sharrow meet "everyone's concerns?"
Colleen Moss
01:59:46
Agree with the sentiment that we need to reach a compromise solution
Gordon Chaffin
02:01:27
Protected bike lanes and narrower lanes do reduce speeding, according to lots of research
Niels Voorhoeve
02:01:36
@Christine because sharrows don’t work, they can increase risk to bikers and they don’t make enough bikers feel safe enough to use the road.
Liz
02:02:34
We biked, my son and I, to Kenilworth today via A then East Capitol. Why is Delancey’s proposal not workable? We are chiefly bike riders here but many with kids needing doctors, people with mobility issues for whatever reason. I do not even own a car but volunteer for Capitol Hill Village and understand the car access needs of many, many of my neighbors neighbors at all stages of their life. We moved from Independence because as a one-way , many speeded and there were so many accidents. So tough with kids.
michael cushman
02:02:34
I remember when Constitution used to be one-way in the morning and reversed in the evening...
Amber Gove 6A04
02:02:55
Happy to support additional traffic calming on East Cap. In fact we've already asked for it!
Maggie Gonzalez
02:03:23
Option C preserves all parking spots and is accessible for those with disabilities because the parking spots will be directly next to the sidewalk. I don't see the added benefit of Delancey's proposal as it compares to DDOT's option C
Robb Dooling, 6A06 (he/they)
02:03:49
University of Colorado research on why sharrows may be more dangerous than no bike lanes at all: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-05/study-sharrows-might-be-more-dangerous-to-cyclists-than-having-no-bike-infrastructure
Gordon Chaffin
02:06:32
moveDC studies in 2014 and 2021 have extensive demographic study and data
Gordon Chaffin
02:06:49
those master transportation plans do have holistic traffic study
Colleen Moss
02:07:50
Will there be a response from DDOT to Dominque's request?
Domonique James
02:07:52
You cut me off
Domonique James
02:08:01
and interrupted me before my time
Domonique James
02:08:03
maura
Gordon Chaffin
02:08:13
Domonique, you spoke for 2 mins 5 secs
Domonique James
02:08:21
No, the screen was down
Filip Medic
02:08:22
Yes, there needs to be a response. Thank you Dominque for keeping us sensitive.
Domonique James
02:08:28
adn the timer was not on the screen
Domonique James
02:08:49
So I appreciate the 10 seconds that you took away
Nick Alberti ABL
02:08:52
@Domonique - Thank you for your comments!
Liz Campbell
02:09:13
As a family who uses E. Capitol to bike frequently, it is not an ideal redirection to suggest folks can use E. Capitol as a reasonable and safe alternative. It is not protected. I support protected bike lanes when possible and would like to see that on both NC and E. Capitol along with speed reducing measures.
Gordon Chaffin
02:09:22
The lowest income and indeed, disabled, DC residents can't afford a car. In Ward 7 and 8, that amounts to 40% of the residents
Christine Mullins
02:09:36
It is also a privilege to be able to ride a bike. Many of our neighbors cannot bike to work, to the store, etc.
Gordon Chaffin
02:10:12
No, car ownership is a privilege. It's expensive and the least of us rely on $100 bikes from Walmart to get to work
Domonique James
02:10:17
Thank you, Maura
Christine Mullins
02:11:09
Yes, car ownership is a great privilege, which is why we need to adopt a compromise so that everyone can benefit.
Gordon Chaffin
02:12:05
But, does "everyone" benefit if only paint protects bike riders? Will parents let their kids bike to school?
Domonique James
02:12:46
Valid, point. Thanks for addressing it. We need to listen and talk as neighbors
Christine Mullins
02:14:19
In Europe, they have amazing trolley system so people do not need to use their car at all. I would love that too!
Gordon Chaffin
02:14:41
DC Metro is basically the best transit system in the country.
Gordon Chaffin
02:14:59
Plue, Metrobus and suburban systems like DART and RideOn
Gordon Chaffin
02:15:27
DC has great trains!
Christine Mullins
02:16:56
It is a 15-20 minute walk to metro from NC Ave. NE. I used to use it every day. Our elderly residents cannot walk that distance. Again, we need to think of all of our neighbors.
michael cushman
02:17:01
The list of Protected Bike Lanes that DDoT planned is here: https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/page_content/attachments/20X22%20PBL%20List_2.12.20.pdf
Gordon Chaffin
02:17:45
@Christine, DDOT and WMATA does exhaustive work to make sure elderly residents are within a few hundred feet of the nearest Bus stop
Gordon Chaffin
02:17:59
Metrorail is a tiny portion of transit available on Hill East
Gordon Chaffin
02:21:08
That's not what's on Tennessee
Delancey Gustin
02:21:18
@jessica - will do!
Jacquelyn Guy
02:21:26
and Domonique.
Robb Dooling, 6A06 (he/they)
02:23:02
Yes, your partner can speak for 2 minutes
Filip Medic
02:23:03
It’s also amazing how citizens are on one side - the folks that endorse you for your progressive views - having to endure government contractors and affiliates abuse us on chat. It’s so very sad and I am sure you folks are feeling awkward too. It’s time to restart here.
Robb Dooling, 6A06 (he/they)
02:23:19
Thanks, I'll make sure we get him
Hibret Tilahun
02:24:39
Ditto to individuals do not own the street! Parking spots are private storage at the public’s expense!
michael cushman
02:25:53
This is an interesting piece from DDoT on that expensive DC real estate that we value... https://nacto.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Benito-Perez-Curb-Appeal.pdf
Niels Voorhoeve
02:26:56
Option C does not reduce parking.
Gordon Chaffin
02:26:57
Sharrows are not safe. Period
Nick Alberti ABL
02:30:30
@Gordon - I’m a cyclist sharrows appear safe for me. It’s a matter of opinion, not fact
Gordon Chaffin
02:30:53
As George presented, <10% of residents feel safe on sharrows or similar paint designs
Amber Gove 6A04
02:30:58
HI Mel. Happy to help you with a handicap permit. Just let me know.
Gordon Chaffin
02:31:01
It's not opinion, it's data.
Nick Alberti ABL
02:31:57
Where can I find the data? I’d love to see the study
Gordon Chaffin
02:32:15
https://www.portlandoregon.gov/transportation/article/158497
Gordon Chaffin
02:32:30
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-05/study-sharrows-might-be-more-dangerous-to-cyclists-than-having-no-bike-infrastructure
Gordon Chaffin
02:32:47
https://www.cyclingutah.com/advocacy/study-sharrows-dont-appear-to-increase-bike-safety/
Gordon Chaffin
02:33:07
https://www.bicycling.com/news/a20044419/what-are-sharrows-used-for/
Gordon Chaffin
02:33:22
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/research/safety/pedbike/10041/10041.pdf
Gordon Chaffin
02:33:43
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2046043018300583
Gordon Chaffin
02:34:01
There are mountains of data
Domonique James
02:35:00
Dear ANC leaders — I would recommend reaching out to WABA and telling them to pull their petition which calls our concerns small, persistent, and vocal. It is not helpful to making us residents feel heard and respected and minimizes our concerns
Robb Dooling, 6A06 (he/they)
02:35:58
Jennie, no worries, I can make sure we get you
Hibret Tilahun
02:36:56
WABA is a biking advocacy group and should be allowed to express their opinion without government intrusion.
Nick Alberti ABL
02:37:37
@Gordon - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5858726/
michael cushman
02:38:09
I don't think bike and drive residents are the minority in this neighborhood
Filip Medic
02:38:25
Yes, you should. But you should also not deny or demean other groups from expressing theirs. I invite you to connect with this community group and find out the actual facts of their position. I support your mission, but I am surprised by this initiative
Gordon Chaffin
02:38:33
@Nick. I see you've found one of the few outlier studies
Filip Medic
02:38:33
This was a message to WABA
Elizabeth
02:39:35
That’s a good point Domonique! WABA will lose credibility if they don’t respect the legitimate concerns of both cyclists and non-cyclists. Many avid cyclists also need and want to use cars. At some point, the citizens will feel that the bicycling community as over-reached and is making their lives worse instead of better.
Amber Gove 6A04
02:41:34
HI Neighbors, Please also feel free to email me and your Commissioner (find us at anc6a.org) if you did not get a chance to comment tonight. I've been sharing every email I receive with the TPS Committee and DDOT.
Domonique James
02:41:51
Thank you to all of our leaders, ANC & DDOT, for showing up to this important community convo
Mark Grace
02:43:11
Will noted that the C st project will diminish traffic on C st, where he resides. How does DDOT remove the even the perception of conflict of interest?
Robb Dooling, 6A06 (he/they)
02:43:36
Thank you all for showing up too, residents!
Stefan
02:43:40
So DDot is trying to prove they have not been listening.....we are not parking spaces
michael cushman
02:43:52
The other roads mentioned by George are LONG Sharrow I think
Delancey Gustin
02:44:14
Thank you, George - we will be grateful for that
alex kelly
02:44:20
I wish that DDOT would address the question of why this connection is needed, when there are so many other bike lane connections around Lincoln park!
Jacquelyn Guy
02:44:46
Delancey's plan cuts down zero trees!
Keya Chatterjee 6A01
02:44:50
Yes, huge thanks to everyone for showing up, sharing views, and engaging. So grateful for our community!
Greg
02:45:05
Alex, doesn’t that argument cut both ways?
Gordon Chaffin
02:45:07
@alex, the connection was needed as shown in moveDC 2014 and the draft moveDC2021
Delancey Gustin
02:45:07
Please consider adding us to the ABL pilot!
Filip Medic
02:45:14
Thank you George. All we want is for you guys to work with us. The community.
Domonique James
02:45:32
democracy in action! I’m confident we can find a win-win
Kenyon Weaver
02:45:32
Thank you very much DDOT
Elizabeth
02:45:43
Thanks to Commissioners and TPS Committee for allowing extra time for community input
Mark Grace
02:45:49
Thank you Delancy! Excellent job
michael cushman
02:46:09
32 parking space in actual use
Gordon Chaffin
02:46:31
@michael, 7 of those spaces are dangerous and too close to the intersection
Gordon Chaffin
02:46:42
they're not *legal* parking spaces
michael cushman
02:47:07
I don't think so...
Christine Mullins
02:47:26
Yes, thank you Delancey for your leadership on this. Again, I would like to see a more robust response from DDOT why the compromise would not work.
michael cushman
02:47:26
what is legal near the intersection definition?
Jonathan Chen - Vendor
02:47:32
I would request that DDOT provides more data before a NOI is provided.
Gordon Chaffin
02:47:55
@mihcael, it depends on type of curb cut, but for example, within 25' of an intersection
Gordon Chaffin
02:48:03
many places have missing signage
michael cushman
02:48:20
165 eastbound peak hour
Gordon Chaffin
02:48:24
It's all in DDOT's road design manual
Elizabeth
02:48:28
Traffic will increase as people go back to work.
michael cushman
02:48:52
It hurts when numbers thrown out by DDoT are wrong
Elizabeth Kelly
02:48:54
When was the traffic study conducted?
Amber Gove 6A04
02:48:59
Can folks please put questions in the Q&A?
michael cushman
02:49:00
July 2
Stefan
02:49:09
Will should be removed from this project. there is a clear bias
michael cushman
02:49:10
it is in the agenda of this TPS
Christine Mullins
02:49:49
How many people attended. Thank you!
Robb Dooling, 6A06 (he/they)
02:49:58
I think we peaked at 106
Christine Mullins
02:50:10
Thank you Robb!
Shaun Lynch TPS
02:50:12
106 was the max I saw as well
Amber Gove 6A04
02:50:32
Please be sure to sign up for our 6A Google Group everyone!
Amber Gove 6A04
02:51:11
https://anc6a.org/join-listserv/
Jessica Sutter
02:51:25
Woo hoo! More opportunities to calm traffic near our ANC6A schools this fall :)
Gordon Chaffin
02:52:16
That's a great idea, the 1C transportation committee does something similar
Gordon Chaffin
02:52:29
ANC 4B Vision Zero has a tracker spreadsheet
Robb Dooling, 6A06 (he/they)
02:52:47
Ooh, thanks for that, Gordon, I will contact them
Gordon Chaffin
02:53:29
@Robb, that would be Zack Gold for 1C and Even Yeats for 4B
Robb Dooling, 6A06 (he/they)
02:53:38
Perfect. Muchas gracias
alex kelly
02:54:45
Thank you all for your efforts. Unfortunately I don’t feel that the quality of the answers given was very high or particularly detailed What is the process for attendees to request more detailed answers to their questions?
michael cushman
02:56:00
The Kohlmeyer TSA is now overdue then
Amber Gove 6A04
02:57:10
Email Andrew.defrank@dc.gov
George Branyan DDOT
02:57:37
A final comment on the traffic data question. We have pre-Covid baseline ADT numbers, 3,000 VPD, then we did a traffic study during Covid to figure out how much traffic went each way on NC Ave. The study showed the 80-20 split. Then we adjusted it up to pre covid volumes for how many cars would go the alt routes.
Domonique James
02:57:43
that is really helpful to know. thank you!
michael cushman
03:00:45
Is there a resource where all the TSAs are logged and the responses as well, so that people can see what has been asked and what has been answered.
michael cushman
03:01:19
in one place would be nice
michael cushman
03:01:37
thanks all - okay!
Delancey Gustin
03:01:50
Thank you, all, for listening to our community