mark.waser@gmail.com if you'd like to connect your blockchain to the GBBP or participate in the project in any other way

Or type something here ;-)

Paul has identified a critical missing "link" in the problem and discussion.TCP/IP has ACK of each transaction in real time. Decentration of our blockchain processing lacks that simple connection.

how much longer is he gona blow his own horn??

Does anybody here work with Hyperledger Fabric?

hopefully not - whats the point of centralized bChains???

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@marina I am not proposing centralized blockchains.

@romanyakovchuk - Yes -- but I could use more manpower to get the gateway from the GBBP to Hyperledger done.

organizations and institutions are the point of centralized (closed) chains. OPEN bChains also have their place, for where trust is very low, and authoritarian regimes thrive. Not all Blockchains are created equally

Used fabric... not a member of the priesthood.

even "closed"/private chains should be decentralized

centralized bChains r useless -u can just use db

it can be, to a certain extent. Its all options. You can buy a Mercedes, or you can buy a Mercedes AMG, the “choice” is always yours

Concur, Mark. One size doesn't fit all. Permissioned implementation has a role, just as open public systems have one.

exactly

@marina ++

@ Mike-Charles. but all permission bChain ca be replaced by DBs

No. They really can't.

We can have a discussion offline

@ Mitja, can we connect on signal/telegram?

@marina Private blockchains are more attractive for enterprises because of permissioned membership, better performance and scalability

from a generalized perspective, but certain actions can be automated, and transparency can be baked in such a way that this “DB” cannot be amended, but appended only

@Mark Waser, since mitja agreed, perhaps, u shall ask him, since he is allowed2talk.....

Concur with Roman.

Actually it depends. For some solutions public blockchain will fit better

yes indeed…”it depends”

You choose the type of Blockchain protocol based on the need and the ‘asset’ being shared.

@romanyakovchuk. y not just DB?????

@ venkat.kodumudi, & then it dies - what do u do w/your code then??? ")

@manina, that question can't be answered in a text block via Zoom.

Mitja and I have talked a lot. I don't know what he "agreed" with -- but if he is claiming those things about private databases, he is totally incorrect.

@marina, I don’t believe in code reusability. I fully believe in design reusability and code salvageability.

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blockchains will always shine where trust is the lowest, whether it be open or closed

Portions of the code can be salvaged, but invariably, you would have to change code to fit a different problem space

blockchains will always shine where trust is the lowest, whether it be open or closed & in permission chains there is no need for testing trust=no need for chain!

permission chain is like naked santa - whats the point??

@marina I will give you some examples of HLF usage. Tell me if you will rather use DB

pls, roma

As an investor, I have been looking to invest in xrp, xlm and other cryptocurrencies, but one of my biggest concerns is being able to name beneficiaries and transfer the asset in the event of disability or death. Does this depend on the institution on wallet that a person would use to purchase the currency?

the key word is investor - how well do u understand tech??

@mike-charles nahounouOn the contrary, authoritarian regimes and bad actors like corporations and banks who have hijacked the internet and finance are the very definition of trustless, and have found quite a comfy home in permissioned environments. In fact public blockchains where the people/community make the decisions are how we get rid of these problems.

@marina my telegram is @futurizt

@Ron we are essentially saying the same thing. Where there is authoritarian regimes, OPEN Blockchains work best, as the abuse of the system and the people can be significantly mitigated. But in environments where there is more trust, it just adds additional transparency and automate actions which increases efficacy and saves time. A proper assessment of the application is always a requirement before one can determine what kind of bchain is most feasible.

Ping me at roman.yakovchuk@espeo.eu I will send you some of our blog posts

@marina

@mike-charles Nahounou Please name one :-)

when one adds the need for privacy, the color of the Koolaid changes

bravi ron!!!

LOL

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The discussion in the chat is indeed an added bonus to this very insightful discussion !!!

"Private" blockchain *ONLY* means that the miners/validators are a select group. It does not necessarily mean that the data is private.

Les Aker = Computer Scientist & Cryptographer.lesaker@gondolininc.com

open = permissionLESS

closed = permissioned

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Permission for validators/miners only

no, "Private" blockchain means controlled = single point of failure!

NO, it does NOT mean that

not at all

yes it does

lol

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whoever gives a permision is in control!

100%

tnx,chuck

Except if that is a distributed groupFor example, the Sovrin Identity network

permissioned architecture requires very good governance across all members. Then the whole group has control.

whats "right consensys"?? its ANY that works, right??

Exactly Les

Sovrin validators come from *many* companies all over the world

@ Les Aker , & if the group does not agree??

It comes to a vote

in “private” blockchains, you don’t want to paint the whole town with a broad stroke to say it = single point of failure…you have systems that are quasi private or quasi public…the point is we should be more flexible in how we determine

@marina... that's why a good governance structure is required. That defines what happens when "the group" does not agree.

good matrix

@Les +1

Look up Sovrin SSI

Decisions are made via vote

Heather does have a good architecture @ Sovrin.

@Les Aker. No matter how good governance in a permissioned environment might be, it is subject to change at any moment. Today nice. Tomorrow naughty. It is in fact a permissionless environment with complete decentralization where people, not management vote that yields real democracy and results that represent the many.

Permissioned environments have their place, but only in very specific cases, like military. Everything else can be open.

lol

@Ron, which is why the governance must include the exit of members as well as the addition of them. "Good governance" would address that problem.

The GBA Government Business Blockchain HUB is Besu, a private Ethereum. Any GBA member who desires is likely be voted in as a validator BY THE OTHER VALIDATORS. The GBA as a whole has no real control except the validators agreed to the rule that it would be limited to GBA members (which is only a matter of spending money for a membership)

validators are also voted out BY THE OTHER VALIDATORS when the have too much downtime or their membership expires

The thing is that some organisations don’t need “real democracy”. They need more control

@Ron, good governance doesn't create a democracy. In a democracy the rights of the minority are not protected.

For example if I signed the contract with the vendor I don’t need everybody in the company know about it

The United States is currently an excellent example of that. Democracy isn't the ideal form of government, it's just that some democracies have been the best large-scalegovernance we have successfully implemented.

@Les Aker Of course they are! Community consensus through direct democracy and voting by all defends it. Unless the idea that most people are interested in not protecting the minority is a "thing". On the contrary, it is centralized governments that weigh down on the minority

EXACTLY, Mitja. THAK YOU!!!

1. transparency 2. accountability 3. immutability is the main perspective to use when designing these systems. Whether open/closed this is how to value the transactions in the system.

@Ron, 50%+1 makes all the decision in a democracy. The rights of the minority in every decision are NOT protected.

@Gerard Walmart = Food Trust.

Exactly- Walmart compelled their suppliers to participate in the FoodTrust blockchain.

@Gerard Maersk = TradeLens

Most people only vote for what they have a personal interest in and abstain otherwise. With this in mind, something called sft majority voting solves this

Agree with Les EXCEPT it is worse than that. Look at the US where the minority rules the majority due to electoral college -- and many votes are prevented by procedural machinations

Venkat’s matrix was on point!

The fear of having Maersk as an admin was custody of competitor info

@Mark Waser EXACTLY!

Perfect answer(s) from Venkat as well, Marina

@Mark, disagree... The EC keeps a small part of the country from making all national decision. Very poor comparison.

I didn't say that the US was the worst, Les. What are you disagreeing with? ;-)

I joined late... but has anyone covered Baseline protocol? Using blockchain (Ethereum mainnet) as a proof of consistency between two state machines, primariloy ERP systems.

The Founders were wise. At the time the Constitution was ratified, 3 colonies had enough population to sway any national policy regardless of what the other 10 colonies wanted.The EC and the creation of a Republic, not a democracy, was the solution. Otherwise, the Constitution would never have been ratified.

@Mark, I'm disagreeing with your accusation regarding the EC. We have 50 state elections for national office holders. No voter is deprived of their vote.

The Founders were brilliant -- but two centuries changed *everything*.

Agree with Mark 100% on this one too

@Mark, to centuries has only confirmed their wisdom.

*two

Huge problem with public entities- introducing a unifying, efficient platform gives the providing vendor too much power. Governments want fragmented architectures with many vendors....it's not like they're spending their own money.

DC resident are deprived of their vote. Puerto Ricans are deprived of their vote.All the people who voted with the MAJORITY in several of the elctions this century were deprived of their vote.And just wait until Trump convinces some state legislatures that electors don't have to cast their votes as directed previously.

We have Brian Brooks and the CFTC Chairman Heath Tarbert saying that GOV. needs the help and to be able to work with industry

@Mark, DC and PR are not states. DC is a federal district... no one should have ever been allowed to live there. If you do, you are free to move.

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Actually, THe UAE have the whole strategy for blockchain implementation

They’re doing really good job with this technology

Right. UAE is one of those countries trying it out in real life scenarios

@Mark all the people that votes had their votes counted as part of our Constitutional process of electing public officials. We are a Republic. Not a democracy. And for good reason.

yes its true about UAE

Where I see value in Government space is true use of Digital Sovereign Currency

Amazon Prime has a series called "Next Blockchain" that is a great series.

CBDC’s is where all governments will be poking their noses

Thanks for the info @ Les, gonna check it out

The guy Gerald referenced as creating blockchain is in several of the segments.

transmission protocol vs. process protocol

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Price predictions for BTC anyone for the next 15 to 18 months?

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any insights and opinions of Central Bank Digital Currencies? China leads the way at the moment

Thank yo @Gerard and all!

Thank you all as always great meeting!!!

Thank you, Gerard, for the invitation! Thank you, all awesome speakers, for sharing your wisdom!

What I believe is that in the next 5 years nobody will ask the question: “Is it based on blockchain?”. It will be obvious. People even don’t need to know if the application uses blockchain

Thank you, guys! Great discussion

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Thank you for everyone attending and listening.

is there interest in discussing blockchain with civic societies and NGOs?

Great discussions and feedback guys. Take care everyone. Thanks for the wisdom shared

Thanks everyone for bearing with my ramblings

Thanks for joining us!