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Catarina, Leader Sjö, Skog & Fjäll
05:42
Good morning! We will start 10.30 Swedish time. If you have any problems, try contacting me on catarina@sjoskogfjall.se and I will try to help.
Ellen Hoas Ströman
48:26
This is interesting! Any questions for Hans, just write them down here in the chat.
Jon Wagenius
53:25
can u tell us about the grades on a wc downhill run?
Tobias Liljeroth
54:51
What Hans is saying is great. But our biggest hurdle to creating new and sustainable trails in Sweden is getting permission from private landowners. So how do we work together as trail organizations, authorities and private landowners to create new trails?
Karin Ericson
57:29
I know that in some places wood chips is used to repair old wet trails. If I understand you right that is not a good idea?
Love Roos
01:02:17
Very good info in the meeting so far!A comment along what Tobias is saying. A lot of us are experiencing major difficulties in getting municipal officials (kommuner, landstinget et.c) to understand that trail use has increased over the years, and we have to to b-o-t-h increase the maintenance of trails and build new trails. We are getting nowehere with both these activities right now, and the result is.. Well, nowhere near what we are talking about in this meeting.
Love Roos
01:03:31
Also, regarding Strava and data. Please take into account that the normalizations for the Strava heat maps take several factors into account and can not be used as a straight comparison between user groups. We need to look at numbers here.More info here: https://medium.com/strava-engineering/the-global-heatmap-now-6x-hotter-23fc01d301de
Karin Ericson
01:05:33
In Jämtland mountains there are a lot of bogs (wet areas) wheels are making ditches beside too narrow plank paths. Do you have any other solution than wide plank paths?
Tobias Liljeroth
01:06:32
A WC DH run is most likely not a sustainable trail.
Karin Ericson
01:13:05
There are bogs even in sidesloopes...
Hans Stoops, Cykelfrämjandet
01:35:35
Good questions! Bogs in sideslopes are fed by local springs and generally more localized than the broader bogs down in valleys. If they cannot be avoided entirely I would recommend raised treads built with local stones, as in the Göteborg example from the presentation. Bark and chip coverings for trails will eventually rot away, better would be mineral coverings (stenmjöl, 0-8 grus) that should be compacted and can be reinforced with a natural binder such as dustex.
Ellen Hoas Ströman
01:45:43
So interesting this as well… Don't hesitate to ask Nannie a question or two!
Karin Ericson
02:10:49
Do you think it is possible for people in wheelchair to use shared trails (bikers/hikers trails)? Or would you be scared to have a biker crash into you, Nannie? How do bikers look upon that, Hans?
Hans Stoops, Cykelfrämjandet
02:12:17
Very intersting Nannie, we do have a lot of common interests! From your experience, can't wooden bridges be dangerously slippery? Do you have any examples of other construction materials or techniques?
Catarina, Leader Sjö, Skog & Fjäll
03:25:59
Sorry about the delay everybody!
Nannie Fredrikson
03:26:32
No worries!
Hans Stoops, Cykelfrämjandet
03:27:12
yay, looks good!
Catarina, Leader Sjö, Skog & Fjäll
03:29:18
If somebody has a problem with lagging films via Zoom, you can also watch them via Youtube independently, then re-join the meeting:Film 1: https://youtu.be/u31jEufuRFsFilm 2: https://youtu.be/CsTFYbSW6AoFilm 3: https://youtu.be/aeAzbLr5Tlg
Fiona Chalmers
03:39:40
Hello everyone - please feel free to ask any questions on this chat function as you watch the films. We’ll put them to the panel at the end of the third film
Thomas Wingate, RISE
03:44:38
There was a comment before lunch on how to deal with discussions with landowners. How does this apply in the Laggan case? How does the land ownership situation look and what did you have to go through in order to develop the trails?
adrian clark
03:45:37
The quality of films is poor for me. It was fine when I viewed on You Tube.
Fiona Chalmers
03:47:10
Thank you Thomas - we will ask Cristian that Q at the end
adrian clark
03:50:07
LOve the poem
Nannie Fredrikson
03:50:42
I would very much like to get the name of the poem, please!
Fiona Chalmers
03:51:56
Hello Nannie - it’s called Pith by Jon Plunkett. You can find out more on this link https://www.corbenicpoetrypath.com/
Fiona Chalmers
03:52:33
It’s in this book too https://www.corbenicpoetrypath.com/the-book.html
Kelly Clapperton
03:56:49
Are these films going to made available after the conference?
Fiona Chalmers
03:57:34
yes they will be on the CWA YouTube channel. we can send the link
Tim Flood
03:57:36
They are on YouTube
Thomas Wingate, RISE
03:57:40
Are there any in-depth socioeconomic impact studies done on the area? Systemic impact, secondary economy impacts, etc?
Kelly Clapperton
03:58:42
Fab, thank you Tim :-)
Tim Flood
03:59:03
Film 1 https://youtu.be/u31jEufuRFs
Fiona Chalmers
03:59:06
these films were in different areas of Scotland. there are various studies done - particularly in the Highlands
Tim Flood
03:59:10
Film 2 https://youtu.be/CsTFYbSW6Ao
Tim Flood
03:59:25
Film 3
Tim Flood
03:59:40
Film 3 https://youtu.be/aeAzbLr5Tlg
Thomas Wingate, RISE
03:59:57
@fiona: Would be fab if you can link to the studies.
Fiona Chalmers
04:00:17
there are so many. best to look at HIE website
Hans Stoops, Cykelfrämjandet
04:01:10
I'm curious about the differences between the Scottish Right to Roam and allemansrätten, the Swedish right to public access. For example development and promotion of trail networks on private land.
Ellen Hoas Ströman
04:02:29
When we were in Scotland, we walked a historical path with some problems with water on it. How did you fix that problem in the end?
Jon Hollingdale
04:04:44
Hans: see https://www.outdooraccess-scotland.scot/ for information on Scottish access legislation
Jon Hollingdale
04:05:51
Ellen: think that might be the trail that Paul mentioned that FLS have withdrawn
Sofie Jugård Löfgren
04:06:18
I have been hiking from Blair Atholl to Glenmore lodge scouting for a hiking event. At that time the hunting was an issue. The land owners did not want us to use all the trails. Is that a common problem? I suppose the hunting is a good business for the land owners. How do you work with that issue?
Mia Wiktor Lunde
04:15:47
Is it possible for a privatly owned company to use the right to roam without having to pay any fee of any kind? For example does a wilderness camp for a larger group come under the right to roam if a company arrange it and charge for it?
Nannie Fredrikson
04:20:34
I am so happy to hear that! Would like to hear more if possible...
Jon Hollingdale
04:22:30
@Mia - it depends on the activity: the outdoor access code allows private companies to use the land for free if they don't require additional facilities, so professional dog walkers, mountain guides etc are ok - but if you want to put on a concert or sporting event and need parking, toilets, etc then you need to negotiate permission with the landowner
Mia Wiktor Lunde
04:23:42
So a hiking company that only uses tents and leave no trace would be alright?
Hans Stoops, Cykelfrämjandet
04:23:50
http://www.swedishepa.se/Enjoying-nature/The-Right-of-Public-Access/This-is-permitted/
Carina Lönneryd
04:26:25
I have to leave. Thank you for a good conferens.
Nannie Fredrikson
04:46:50
Many of our issues and questions are of course international so we can definitely profit from learning from each other
Fiona Chalmers
04:55:15
@Mia. here is the guidance on this issue of commercial events. https://www.outdooraccesstrustforscotland.org.uk/ Page 5 has the info Under somecircumstances, however, organisers mustspecifically ask for land managers’ permission.The Access Code provides guidance to indicatewhen this is needed, which is illustrated morefully in the following table.
Fiona Chalmers
04:56:04
Where permission is required, this can either be granted (with or withoutconditions) or refused at the land managers’ discretion.
Fiona Chalmers
05:00:28
this is a useful guide to mountain biking and Scottish Outdoor Access Code https://www.dmbins.com/files/Do_the_Ride_Thing.pdf
Agneta Sivertsson
05:03:36
Sorry, I have to leave. Thank's for a lot of interesting topics.
Ola Bergqvist
05:13:21
Yes
Ola Bergqvist
05:15:12
Good work. Thank you
Kelly Clapperton
05:15:13
Thank you for this session. It's been really interesting and helpful - especially for a novice!
Suzann Barr
05:15:17
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