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Faith Again - Patrick Mason - Shared screen with speaker view
Richard & Tina Tenney
24:00
Kiitos! <3
Eric Canfield
24:49
That was lovely, thanks for the beautiful music.
Tom Gleason
26:43
Love that hymn...Thank you!💚
Robert Rees
27:53
Talk about the difference between vertical and horizontal revelation.
Dan Eastmond
28:16
How is 19th Century revelations -- the D&C relavant to the Church that has grown so much bigger and in so many ways?
Robert Rees
29:10
How is the restoration happening in other religions? And outside religions?
Richard & Tina Tenney
30:31
Will we ever see Heavenly Mother restored to her rightful place of honor in this church anytime "soon"?
Pamela Jones
30:43
seems to me the “fullness of the gospel” is not the sum total of knowledge, but rather is the concept of personal revelation to guide us on our personal journey. How does that idea tie into your understanding of revelation and our church moving forward?
Eric Canfield
30:44
Patrick, what do you foresee as the biggest changes and challenges to the church due to the pandemic? How will things change once the pandemic is over?
Carla Gull
31:26
Patrick, a friend asked if you could be fast tracked to the quorum of the twelve. :-) How might we hear more of what you share in your book from the leadership in our local and worldwide congregations?
Mark de St. Aubin
34:02
The words to the hymn we sang are on the 'Western Hymn Writers' website - 'Like the Sound of Many Waters
Suzy Halterman
37:31
I feel like your interpretation of the restoration is so critical for the next generation who want a church that walks the walk and doesn’t just talk the talk about making a difference in the world. What ideas do you have to get this message out to the youth when the leadership of the church continues to talk about the restoration in the same “restored church” narrative that it has for years?
Douglas Smith
41:05
Christ went to the marginalized FIRST: women, lepers, samaritans, those who needed healing. the greek word “soklos”, means “wounded”. Christ came as the “healer”. I subcribe to the eastern christianity view of this, not western christianity view. Fiona Givens supports this view. I would argue that the ‘marginalized’ aren’t a group to look down upon. Those who think they are the chosen need these folks. They give us more instructively , than we can give them.
Jana Spangler
41:08
How do we get our members to care for the marginalized outside our ward boundaries? It seems the people with the most resources are often removed from those with the biggest needs.
Eric Canfield
42:08
Patrick, 71% of Mormons voted for Donald Trump in the last election, higher than any other group. What do you make of that and does that reveal for the future of the church?
Robert Rees
42:30
What could the church do to minister to the saints vulnerable to Covid in the developing world?
Mike McEwan
43:06
My problem is that the Mormon church has lost resonance with me. It’s like I’m Living Between Words. The first one has lost energy and is dead and the next one one isn’t born to me yet. The Mormon church feels like a dried husk with nothing inside. It’s like the energy left the lightbulb. The energy is still out there somewhere, I can feel it. I didn’t realize how bad it was until I got to “trial” being inactive with the pandemic and I realized how little I missed it. ugh. What do we do when something loses resonance?
Douglas Smith
43:46
Mike, I am so onboard with you and what you’re saying.
Steven Parkin
43:55
Do you see a world where the People of each religion specialize; (Mormons do geneology, Sikhs do peacekeeping, Salvation Army does logistics,..) and strict Bible interpretation is put aside as less important?
Richard & Tina Tenney
45:20
I feel we need to reconsider, or at least talk more in depth about what Christlike service truly is. Yes, there is a lot of service happening in our wards. But so much is about "baking cookies to our neighbors". Nothing wrong with that. But we are not as good about reaching out to those who don't think, talk, look, smell like us. We are not good about working towards systemic changes. And truly giving our hearts to those we would consider "outcasts". Thoughts?? /Tina
charlene durham
45:49
What would it take to be a church that values individuals, the one, instead of trying to make us all fit the same mold. Is it possible? Is it desirable?
Brad Farmer
46:02
I love that concept - every group has their role to play. But that would mean we should be free - and celebrated - to find the group and mission that resonates most keenly with our soul. Not take what was given us by circumstance of birth.
Kathryn Knight Sonntag
47:44
Amen.
Douglas Smith
48:53
I’m no longer a church member. I represent the LGBTQ minority. Patrick, I want it noted that I am gay and have never given up on Christ. I am very spiritually minded in mind and action outside of the church. People who say you cannot feel the holy ghost outside the church, are nuts. I’m a former Bishop.
Douglas Smith
51:38
Do you who are LDS find that you are continually apologizing for many of the Church’s standing on many issues and the views on marginalizing many groups? Just curious. Not trying to stir up things. Just sincerely curious. Yes,
Douglas Smith
52:03
Yes, “repair, reconciliation, repentance “ as a people.
Douglas Smith
53:01
The “oldest form of inequality” against women and the feminine devine. We should keep these things in our view.
Marie Blanchard
53:01
Doug, No one can make me believe that Desmond Tutu wasn't led by the Holy Spirit in his work in South Africa, though he wan't Mormon. Nor do I believe he could have had the influence and done the work if he had been LDS
Douglas Smith
53:33
I sat in a meeting in 2002 with Desmond Tutu and wept as he spoke.
Douglas Smith
55:12
Nationalism, “America First”, are wrong if the gospel and inclusivity of Christ are going to go forward.
suzanne
55:12
I met and marched with Dr. King in 1965 and his speeches were so glorious I knew he had a mission from God, despite the innuendos that he was a womanizer and communist.
charlene durham
55:13
Does the nuclear family and sealings distract from the family of God?
Richard & Tina Tenney
55:47
The American constitution,, inspired by God. A strange concept for me, being a foreigner.
Brad Farmer
57:55
How much is this baggage our individual responsibility versus church leadership’s responsibility? It seems that we won’t make much progress without church leadership leading out.
Richard & Tina Tenney
58:00
I wish our missionaries were sent out to learn, more than teaching others.
Steve Books
59:20
D&C says declare nothing but repentance. I think our missionaries should just bring people to Christ, Book of Mormon and help them change and repent
Steve Books
01:00:58
common consent could work if we all did it online
Kathryn Knight Sonntag
01:03:00
Specifics?
Jana Spangler
01:03:54
How do you see individualism affecting our ability to self reflect as an organization? What will it take for leadership to be more seemingly aware of institutional baggage?
Richard & Tina Tenney
01:04:32
When the Swedish National scouting society went from separating boys and girls, to co ed, we had coed scouting in the church over there, for at least a year. And it was very popular. Then SLC found out....
Marie Blanchard
01:04:41
...but one doesn't hear "obedience" quite as often from the pulpit.
Douglas Smith
01:05:20
When I was asked to be on the board of our local homeless shelter (as a former LDS member) I was deeply touched and instructed to meet many other people — non LDS — who were moved to do community service on their own, not by assignment or quotas by a church. It helped me greatly. And yes, it does come by personal revelation, aside from an institution.
Douglas Smith
01:06:43
WHY DO PEOPLE HAVE TO FEEL AFRAID TO ASK QUESTIONS IN THEIR PLACE OF WORSHIP?? I’VE ARGUED WITH THIS FOR YEARS! THE JEWISH FAITH ALLOWS THIS.
Douglas Smith
01:07:30
I real issues facing the people are not addressed in a relevant way, church members will leave. This is why I feel the young people are leaving.
Tom Gleason
01:07:41
Amen, Doug!
Marie Blanchard
01:08:06
"Homosociality"
Marie Blanchard
01:10:07
...meaning separating activities by gender
Jana Spangler
01:11:28
My daughter's seminary teacher is willing to talk about hard things, but does it from a fundamentalist frame and often ends up doing more harm than good. He definitely teaches beyond what is doctrine in order to hold strict boundaries for the kids.
Jana Spangler
01:12:43
I agree it needs to go beyond the 2 hours, and it also needs to be more nurturing to diverse faith journeys within the wards during the 2 hours.
Mike McEwan
01:12:44
I wish it was only two hours a week...
Tom Gleason
01:13:25
I just go to other churches that are way more engaging... and supportive.
Jeremy and Sonja Cox
01:13:35
I feel like there is no room or support for my expanding faith inside the church. I had to look outside to find the support I need.
Mike McEwan
01:13:45
bishopric mtg...counting tithing after...leadership...youth...
Mark de St. Aubin
01:13:55
I am grateful for a lively relationship with God through prayer, scripture reading and service. There is available a power in active personal worship, especially in the absence of collective worship which is currently limited due to covid restrictions.
Brad Farmer
01:15:25
Tom, what churches around the Salt Lake Valley have you found that are engaging and supportive? The pandemic has provided a unique opportunity with so many having services online that it makes it simple to try out. L
Steve Books
01:15:35
Seems like the new religion is “no religion”. seems like if the church wants to skate where the puck is going they should embrace this and not try to fight against it
Steve Books
01:16:20
Nuture spirituality outside of church and it’s structure
Kristen
01:16:50
Part of the reason church is boring is because it is usually so focused on keeping people in the church. Proving that it's "true," Maintaining the institution. Making sure the doctrine and message are reiterated over and over. Instead of people sharing their stories and creating spiritual community.
Mark de St. Aubin
01:17:06
Taking personal responsibility for one's relationship with God is still possible, whatever is going on in our own ward and neighborhoods, I think. Hasn't it always been that way?
Pace Family
01:20:05
Agreed, Mark! I must personally cultivate a relationship with God -- both during and outside of church. I must personally cultivate love for God and love for my neighbors -- ALL of them -- inside and outside of Church. I feel attending church and reading scriptures help me to remember that personal responsibility.
Jeremy and Sonja Cox
01:20:53
Religion declined not because it was refuted, but because it became irrelevant, dull, oppressive, insipid. When faith is completely replaced by creed, worship by discipline, love by habit; when the crisis of today is ignored because of the splendor of the past; when faith becomes an heirloom rather than a living fountain; when religion speaks only in the name of authority rather than with the voice of compassion—its message becomes meaningless.”
Jeremy and Sonja Cox
01:21:10
(from your Book Patrick)
Tom Gleason
01:22:51
For the last several years I have gone to several churches in person not only in UT, but elsewhere. I attended churches in person in Tri Cites - (Bethel and a Black Baptist Church in Pasco) just recently when I lived there. For the last 18 months I have been attending Community of Christ in person until Covid , now we meet weekly on line.
Nathan Jones
01:23:04
Does Temple work play a part of the on going restoration, in your opinion? If so How?
Brad Farmer
01:24:53
I think that quote is actually from a Jewish scholar,quoted by Patrick. I love that quote, Jeremy and Sonja, thanks for sharing it!,
Jeremy and Sonja Cox
01:25:41
yes absolutely. and how can we fix this :)
Brad Farmer
01:26:55
Thanks for the suggestions, Tom, I’ll have to check out your suggestions. Probably not the tri-cities ones though 🙂
Richard & Tina Tenney
01:28:16
Whether we get our temple recommends or not, is completely up to our local leaders. Too many have been denied due to "leadership roulette".
The Finlaysons
01:28:32
"There’s nothing shameful about playing in a tribute band that dutifully rehearses familiar oldies, albeit to dwindling crowds. But what would it be like to be in the studio alongside our Frontman, actively co-creating with him as he composes and records a “new song” for a contemporary audience?" How do you think this applies to our deepest time-bound traditions, such as our temple ceremonies? Are the temple ceremonies “oldies?”
The Finlaysons
01:29:12
(quote from the book)
Pamela Jones
01:34:52
It appears easier to lead if we keep the people rounded up in a unified way (sheep) rather than a collection of individuals (cats). However, that is a false organization that at some point will disintegrate. We have to have more faith in God’s ability to lead the church and focus members on following God rather than following the institution — that will likely make the institution stronger, not weaker.
Mark de St. Aubin
01:34:59
"We can do both things" Patrick says. It is, in my view, the very foundational truths of the Restored Gospel, that brings life to our service to others, to think outside of our boundaries, and to bring life to our art, music, and engagement with others in dialogue. The Gospel includes whatever brings greatest light and life to our existence. This has been my experience, anyway. The Gospel INSPIRES me to reach out and seek truth from all sources, and to get outside my comfort zone, etc., NOT stay parochial in my thinking and living.
Jeremy and Sonja Cox
01:39:15
Love that Mark!
Jeremy and Sonja Cox
01:40:32
What was the name of the book by Brian McLaren?
Mark de St. Aubin
01:40:50
It seems to me that we often live a religion which, unfortunately, we use to protect us, keep us safe, and reaffirm who we think we are and our own current beliefs, when I think, really, one's religion should be our 'undoing' and the dissolution of self, so that God can make of us the creature He knows will fulfill the measure of our creation.
Eric Canfield
01:41:12
Faith After Doubt: Why Your Beliefs Stopped Working and What to Do About It
Dan Eastmond
01:42:22
I am interested in his response to the Trump voting question!
Brad Farmer
01:43:04
great question, Jeff! I’d love to know that too.
Marie Blanchard
01:48:59
Did Boyd Packer's passing allow the changes that have been made , that is, did the necessity to have total agreement mean that all the changes were waiting behind a dam, so to speak, and with the barrier gone, the flood of change began?
Jana Spangler
01:50:49
I love the message of leaning into our individual calls that come from within and not just waiting for a call from church authorities.
Jana Spangler
01:50:56
Powerful
Richard & Tina Tenney
01:51:24
Amen!
Tom Gleason
01:53:24
Thank you Patrick.
Tom Gleason
01:53:31
Thank you Jay!
Tom Gleason
01:53:36
Thank you Jana!
Jeremy and Sonja Cox
01:53:37
thank you so much Partrick. Love your writing.
Brad Farmer
01:54:04
Thank you all!
Patrick Mason
01:58:21
Thanks to all! Sorry we didn’t get to everyone’s great questions.
Tom Gleason
02:00:35
Thanks everyone!
Kellie Busath
02:02:28
Thank you!!!!
Christine Jones
02:02:30
Thanks so much Patrick!!
Brady
02:02:51
Thank you Patrick—absolutely fantastic!