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Regional Options for Caltrain Governance - Shared screen with speaker view
Michael Schabas FCP/CPCS London
21:04
Michael Schabas CPCS London looking for lessons for Toronto
Stephanie Beechem
21:21
Hi all, welcome! Now and throughout the conversation, feel free to put any thoughts or questions you have about today's topic in the chat.
Stephanie Beechem
22:49
What Caltrain issues are you thinking about? What are your concerns? Please feel free to put your thoughts and questions in the chat.
Rita
22:57
Hello,
Stephanie Beechem
32:22
Yes, slides and a recording of today's session will be shared with everyone!
Stephanie Beechem
43:11
For more details about Seamless' position on a BART-Caltrain merger, read Ian's detailed blog: https://www.seamlessbayarea.org/blog/2021/6/16/merging-bart-and-caltrain-is-an-opportunity-to-create-the-world-class-regional-transit-system-the-bay-area-deserves
Ethan Mizzi
46:25
why wouldn’t the logistically simpler solution of a BART-Caltrain merger be to give the governance of Caltrain to BART, annex SMC and SCC into the BART District, and then abolish the PCJPB?
Ethan Mizzi
47:26
Logistically simpler than creating a whole new entity to manage them both***
Roland
49:10
What happened to Valley Link, ACE and Capitol Corridor (AKA "BART Baby Bullets")
Shotokan Karate
50:05
@EthanMizzi one concern I have is that retaining the BART structure may lead to overrepresentation of suburban areas and lack of representation in the urban core.
Ethan Mizzi
51:14
@Shotokan Karate don’t the BART directors represent areas of equal population sizes?
Jordon Wing
51:16
How would this merger affect Bart capital projects in SCC? Would the new entity take over San Jose and Santa Clara Bart extensions from VTA? (which seems like it would be a good outcome)
Stephanie Beechem
52:31
In Ian's blog about a possible BART-Caltrain merger, he addresses the concern that suburban interests would dominate the board of a unified agency and would starve dense areas of transit: https://www.seamlessbayarea.org/blog/2021/6/16/merging-bart-and-caltrain-is-an-opportunity-to-create-the-world-class-regional-transit-system-the-bay-area-deserves
Shotokan Karate
53:32
@EthanMizzi I'm not sure, but I guess assuming it is an issue, it would make sense to propose a new governance structure, as suggested by seamless above (and this is Raayan, sorry!)
Ethan Mizzi
53:51
omg hi Raayan
Ethan Mizzi
54:16
i think so long as it’s directly elected and each Director’s district is of equal representation than it’s not an issue
Laura Tolkoff
54:39
Here are a few reports that I’ll be referencing:
Laura Tolkoff
54:55
https://www.spur.org/publications/spur-report/2020-12-01/regional-transit-coordinator-bay-area; https://www.spur.org/publications/spur-report/2020-09-29/more-less;
Laura Tolkoff
55:09
https://www.spur.org/publications/spur-report/2021-01-21/freeways-future
Roland
56:02
Is there any reason why this panel has not studied Transport for London (TfL)? Are there any issues with TfL that we should know about?
Roland
58:07
How about BART Administration without BART Governance? Would that work?
Ethan Mizzi
59:41
who will run said administration if you take away the BoD
Roland
59:55
eBART (Pittsburg to Antioch) runs on standard gauge rail (just like Caltrain)
Roland
01:00:44
@Ethan. No changes to the BOD (to start with).
Ethan Mizzi
01:01:47
@Roland were you saying have BART run Caltrain at the direction of the PCJPB?
Pamela Morris
01:02:57
Why is this set up so that the Chat cannot be saved?
Roland
01:05:02
@Pamela Right-click->Select All->Copy
Roland
01:06:06
@Ethan, Yes: just like Capitol Corridor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Corridor#Governance
Pamela Morris
01:07:18
No, @Roland, Select All is blanked out.
Ethan Mizzi
01:08:29
San Mateo and Santa Clara Counties would still lack representation on the BART Board despite BART serving both counties. The PCJPB is archaic and represents the wants and need of municipalities when it should represent the people who live here. if BART was to run Caltrain then the PCJPB should just be abolished and let SMC and SCC get seats on the BARTD Board
Ethan Mizzi
01:08:43
@Roland
Roland
01:08:43
Going back to London, All the railway lines have separate management (operating concessions). Same with the bus lines (60% farebox recovery!!!) but schedule coordination is handled by TfL who are responsible for the London Underground
Simon Tan
01:09:06
Running buses as a precursor to rail is a great idea - also what Sound Transit does (they have ST Express buses along all their future extension corridors)
Davis Turner
01:09:23
Would a Caltrain + BART merger (or just the creation of a regional network manager) have large implications on Caltrain frequency or levels of service?
Roland
01:11:23
MTC is the entity responsible for planning, prioritizing and funding regional projects. Are there any plans to replace MTC????
Ethan Mizzi
01:11:49
i believe the MTC and ABAG will merge in the long run
Ian Griffiths
01:13:29
Roland - options for network management, including changes to MTC, will be looked at at an upcoming business case that will follow from the current Blue Ribbon task Force. I expect there will be more discussion at next monday’s BRTF meeting. But, no plans that we’re aware of to replace MTC
Ian Griffiths
01:14:11
simon - great example of Sound Transit, they also do a good job of jointly operating regional buses and trains to build ridership over time
Roland
01:14:20
@Davis going back to the TfL analogy, yes, BART could (and probably should) be the network manager (BART is the equivalent of the London underground).
Roland
01:15:01
@Laura: watch the Megaproject Delivery Task Force.
Roland
01:23:40
Some of the Capitol Corridor Board members are BART directors.
Roland
01:26:09
None of London's Rail lines are integrated but they are fully coordinated by TfL
Ian Griffiths
01:29:15
Jeff - in a merger scenario BART could not take charge of Caltrain voter-approved funding to spend on any non-caltrain uses. Our recent blog further discusses this: https://www.seamlessbayarea.org/blog/2021/6/16/merging-bart-and-caltrain-is-an-opportunity-to-create-the-world-class-regional-transit-system-the-bay-area-deserves
Roland
01:30:04
I respectfully disagree: MTC's role should be to achieve regional consensus on who the network manager should be.
Ian Griffiths
01:32:44
Also, Jeff, we don’t support a BART takeover of Caltrain, we’d want a merger to have a brand new board that is set up to oversee an integrated system
Ian Griffiths
01:32:55
thank you all for the great questions!