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Ecosystem Foundry WG / Trust over IP Foundation - Shared screen with speaker view
Drummond Reed
33:55
We’re going to have to put a rate limit on Canadian members :-)
Drummond Reed
34:13
What do they put in the water there? Canada is constantly out ahead in digital identity!
sankarshan
34:28
It is the weather.
Drummond Reed
34:36
:-)
Drummond Reed
35:40
That’s very exciting - a really compelling ecosystem.
Adrian Doerk - Lissi
36:29
Hello together, Adrian Doerk here from Germany. I do communication and community building for Lissi and the SSI for Germany initiatives. Can't speak atm.
sankarshan
37:55
Welcome Adrian. I think you had recently shared update about Lissi on the Slack channel. Fantastic work there.
Drummond Reed
41:07
Yes, welcome Adrian
nicholas see
01:01:55
imo, each instance is a projecteach project has 1 or more phases or releaseseach phase or release is implemented and testedonce implemented and tested, the said phase or release enters production and is in operations mode
Darrell ODonnell
01:03:17
Sovrin Foundation, has created a single-ledger ecosystem and operates at Layers 4 and 1 at minimum.
Drummond Reed
01:03:54
The Sovrin Governance Framework Working Group is actually splitting apart the Sovrin Governance Framework into a ToIP Layer One utility governance framework and a ToIP Layer Four ecosystem governance framework
Drummond Reed
01:04:04
That work has already started
Darrell ODonnell
01:07:52
CULedger has a member directory service as well - MemberPass Trust Registry
Drummond Reed
01:08:16
Perfect example
Darrell ODonnell
01:08:22
+1 Maintain
Drummond Reed
01:08:41
Maintain would be fine
Scott Perry
01:09:07
Also need to include the status of interoperability with other ecosystems during the operational period
Drummond Reed
01:10:12
+1
Will Groah
01:11:22
Sovrin was/is a multi-organization integrating Business Operations Legal Technology Social (BOLTS) aka Business Legal Technology (BLT) aka Technology Business Management (TBM). “Operate” is the central “quarterback” to orchestrating all of the elements. Maybe move our evolving discussion and model to some non-linear graphical depictions?
Scott Whitmire
01:12:04
I can see Dan’s point. If these “steps” are the workflow for a project, then operate doesn’t really belong. Operation of the results of the project should be defined by the governance framework, and the step would not be necessary. The main decision is what does the work flow apply to: the project, or the results of the project?
Drummond Reed
01:13:29
I have been thinking about the workflow applying to the evolution of the project. Once it gets implemented, it’s up and running and so “Maintain” and/or “Grow” would cover future evolution of the project.
Jim StClair
01:14:11
+1 Drummond, and the Gina/Dan discussion on auditability are also consistent with other stds 9at least in healthcare)
Scott Whitmire
01:15:30
The word “foundry” in the name of the work group is key: Our purpose is not to create ecosystems, but to make it easy for others to create them. Given that, we should focus on the projects, not what they create, so maybe Operate doesn’t belong. We just need to be clear as to what we’re talking about. This is all new, so the discussion has to happen.
Drummond Reed
01:15:45
+1
Gena Morgan
01:15:54
+1
Darrell ODonnell
01:16:02
“Grow” to me is an optional part of a higher-level “Maintain” concept. I don’t see where “Operate” fits under the ToIP world at all.
Jim StClair
01:16:30
I think getting into sub-ecosystems is boiling the ocean
Jim StClair
01:16:54
sorry my mic isn't working
Darrell ODonnell
01:17:12
+1 Jim - “ecosystem” that contains “ecosystems” is still an ecosystem.
Jim StClair
01:17:23
+1 darrell
Steven Milstein
01:17:26
Along the audibility thread, would there be a feedback mechanism that could be used to further refine our own deliverables?
Jim StClair
01:17:46
+1 Steven I would see one
Drummond Reed
01:18:01
Ecosystems can definitely be part of other ecosystems
Darrell ODonnell
01:18:21
Agreed Drummond - they are still, on their own, an ecosystem.
Jim StClair
01:19:03
IMHO I only see an "ecosystem of ecosystems" if there are defined roles, identities, and use cases that specialize/differnitate at each level
Darrell ODonnell
01:19:07
The circles in Venn diagrams are all circles whether they overlap or not - and any degree of overlapping is ok
Steven Milstein
01:19:32
@Jim, that would align with Agile’s Build-Measure-Learn cycle
sankarshan
01:19:56
I will suggest that using the lists/forums would help in maintaining an archive of the perspectives and how they were refined.
Jim StClair
01:20:02
Thanks Steve. Ex: a Chamber of Commerce is an Ecosystem. The chamber has bakers (ecosystem) shoe makers (ecosystem), etc
Steve Magennis
01:20:39
if you don't plan for the successful operation of a foundary project IMHO you are asking for a failed ecosystem.I suppose it could be relegated to governance, but that seems very static and the nature of an ecosystem is very dynamicI'm not committed to the idea that it needs to be part of the foundary process, but it also doesn't seem to fit fully in governance either
Jim StClair
01:21:51
Steve, I also see where Governance reveals where use cases in an Ecosystem are nut folly defined and the Foundry work feeds back to governance for refinement
Drummond Reed
01:21:58
IMHO the implementation plan prepared at the Foundry stage must definitely including planning for operation of the ecosystem. In almost every incubating ecosystem of which I’m aware, all of them have some operational components.
Jim StClair
01:22:01
Some SEC regs could fit this model
Jim StClair
01:23:31
I'm also thinking of Ecosystems in the context of my previous days tinkering in Attribute Based Access Control (ABAC)/XACML
Drummond Reed
01:24:13
Something I’m realizing may not be clear is that the definition I have been working with of an ecosystem is defined by the scope of its governance framework. We need to refine that both here in this WG and also harmonize it with the Concepts and Terminology WG that is starting up.
Jim StClair
01:24:37
+1 @Drummond
Steven Milstein
01:24:48
+1 @Drummond
Karl Kneis
01:25:15
Please do provide input on the draft terms posted on the wiki
Drummond Reed
01:27:00
Will do
Jim StClair
01:27:25
Thanks Karl!
Gena Morgan
01:27:27
thanks! great discussion
Paul Knowles
01:27:27
Great stuff, Karl!