Hello everyone - I am in Montana right now, with a somewhat weak connection. I may turn my video off every now and then.

Thanks to all of you for taking such a lot of time out of your next two days to participate with us!

If none of the four draft alternatives meet the CWC Staff Recommended Attributes or Objectives for a MTS, will the CWC please recommend the least damaging and most easily rescinded alternative, more buses with no widening of SR-210 and NO snowsheds?

I agree with David.

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I’m sorry but I am on an iPad and for some reason not able to change my profile at all, via those three dots. I am with Summit County.

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I lived in Switzerland for two years, and snowsheds, tunnels, and gondolas are the best ideas of stewardship I have every seen! We could learn a lot from the Swiss.

https://www.skiutah.com/blog/authors/yeti/utah-ski-resort-opening-dates

Great to be with all of you.

That was too fact to vote!

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I don't see the blue hand

After clicking Participants, Click the "..."

click on participants and a window opens

I don’t have hand either

I don't have a blue hand, but I do have a "..." that includes the option to raise the hand

it ´s on the 3 dots

Click on the "Raise Hand" that is at the bottom right of the participants

I struggled too. It's a separate button at bottom

exactly

Same as Grant - I'm on the app if it helps

Lindsey Nielsen: 801-706-1004

I have just found out that the Chat box is restricted to the cohost only. No notice was given as to that restriction. In any public meeting individuals are able to speak to one another as long as their conversations don't disrupt the proceedings of the public meeting.

I request the restriction be removed the duration of the Summit. Censorship doesn't work.

Lindsey,

Lindsey, can you please follow up on Pat’s request? CFR

Hi Pat, and all: That was not an intentional meeting setting, but rather a default setting. I've manually changed that setting in Zoom, so you should be able to chat privately with other participants

I don’t think it’s working as I can’t chat either.

Still a limited list to send a chat message to.

Chat function appears fully enabled now. Thanks Lindsey!

I still cannot send a chat directly to someone such as Dan Knopp

It is important to note that environmental protection is part of the intent of legislation, but it is not the sole purpose… I believe it is misleading to say the legislation’s purpose is protection. (b) PURPOSES.—The purposes of the Conservationand Recreation Area are to—(1) conserve and protect the ecological, natural,scenic, cultural, historical, geological, and biological values of the Conservation and Recreation Area;(2) protect, enhance, and restore the water quality and watershed resources in the Conservation and Recreation Area;(3) facilitate a balanced, year-round recreation system with a wide variety of opportunities for residents and visitors; and(4) facilitate and accommodate improved access for a growing number of users.

Thanks for the amplification, Carl.

For everyone: Cottonwoods Express proposal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1kfsbonyy4dqr04/Cottonwoods%20Express%20proposal%20V3.2.pdf?dl=0

Thanks David!

Thanks, David. Also received your email.

Is one outcome of this Summit to include a recommendation that more study and data is needed before any action items are recommended?

That is posslble.

possible

The results of the Summit are not pre-determined.

Maybe not pre-determined but a shared vision.

Thanks for your clarification Carl.

I also cannot send private messages to participants.

All -- I will give a quick update about 1:1 messaging after Blake's presentation

The ideal, Pat, will be a shared vision or proposal/recommendation. We'll see where we end up.

The existing railway is the Little Cottonwood Trail, correct?

Per Stadler's locomotive fact sheets, the Cog Rail would be very slow (12.5-17 kph descending, depending on grade. Steeper grade, it has to go slower to dissipate energy).

Buss connection to TRAX does not represent the change made last year.

We'll get to specific rail and other mode alternatives shortly. And, people from UTA and Stadler Rail are part of the Summit participants. Let's see if one of those experts can help answer specifics about rail.

How many people participated in the Design Your Transit?

Can anyone tell me the minutes traveled for the Park City Gondola from Canyons to Park City?

There were changes in the connections to TRAX last year. They included the stop(s) at TRAX, timing and frequency of those connections.

Cottonwoods Express time would be <2 minutes transit time.

I believe the gondola ride PC to Canyons as a little over 10 minutes

Where are we able to review the comments that have been submitted? Thank you.

In the past the existing path has been over the Little Cottonwood Trail because historically there was a rail there. If that were to happen it would cut off so much recreation and leave an enormous footprint. I have spoken to multiple engineers who have said it would be very difficult to have a train follow the road because of the turns.

Transit by Design participants: 832. There is information on the CWC website.

Comments Summary on MTS: https://cwc.utah.gov/transportation/

@lindsey If we do that, can you please share a link and password so they we don't have to re-register again to gain entry?

Ralph, thank you. I am asking if the individual comments are available, as they in many public comment solicitations.

Ralph, where on the CWC webpage?

We can provide individual comments. Would you reach out after this meeting and we can find a way to get those to you?

I can. Thank you.

COG rail speeds vary between 80 kph in adhesion mode to 30 kph in rack (COG) mode. Average speed is estimated at 50kph

That 30 kph is ascending. Since what goes up must come down, the slowest speed limits the total round-trip time. It is still a relatively slow mode which is fine, even desirable for sightseeing but undesirable when you're trying to get first tracks.

The Cottonwoods Express is definitely a much faster option than the cog rail. It also wouldn’t cut off recreation by going over the Little Cottonwood Trail.

David, I’m happy to visit with you offline and share the actual performance as designed by Stadler vehicle engineers. Mike Allegra

Laura,Does SLC Public Utilities have a current and pro-active canyon wildfire prevention plan? Will there be regular fuel reduction projects in BCC and LCC? How often?

what percentage of the water in Salt Lake valley comes from Big and Little Cottonwood canyons as opposed to other sources such as other canyons, Wells Deer Creek reservoir etc?

Barbara- SLC Public Utilities is updating its Watershed Management Plan. Wildfire policy, including fuels reduction and post fire actions will be a part of it. Thanks!

Del- City Creek, Parleys, Big and Little Cottonwood contribute roughly 60% of SLCDPU's source water.

Barbara, SLCo Emergency Management is currently working on CEMP (Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan)

Patrick-When will we be able to see the Wildfire Management Plan? Will there be public input?

Barbara- This winter. There will be a lot of public input! :)

👏incorporate protection… don’t just disclose the impact, which is the bare minimum of what EIS’s do.

Thank you Carl.

Salt Lake City also owns a lot of property in the canyons. Will there be a be a focus on management of those lands?

Barbara- Yes

Laura, are the treatment plants at the mouth of our canyons “state of the art”. Is the footprints and status expected to stay the same for the immediate future?

The Keep It Pure project is an outstanding public outreach. Glad to see it will be continued!

Are those % surface water only?

Barbara, thank you.

" . . . . address current and future environmental issues and growth." Systems need to look forward, not just at present state.

Mike - 50-60% surface water from the Wasatch canyons. About 30% to 35% from Deer Creek Reservoir (Provo River system) also surface water. About 10-15% groundwater. That is about the 30 year average. Of course our population is growing and land use in our service area changing, which will continue to rely heavily on all of these water sources now and in the future.

Minimize congestion by NOT funding new parking lots in valley, foothills and canyons INSTEAD focus on innovative transit using high tech apps to steer riders to best alternatives to driving their cars. More lanes and more parking lots induces demand and equals more cars and more congestion.

Dave, I think the "Problem Statement" includes providing for the future. We

'll look to see if it needs to be clarified.

The Little Cottonwood Water Treatment Plant was constructed in 1960. In 2007 we completed an on-site improvement project.

Building any 50-year scale system needs to incorporate modeling of climate 50 years out which shows a vast reduction in the length of winter in the Wasatch and significant changes to precipitation and temperature patterns.

Clearly identifying the problem that we're trying to solve is critical. In my view, the greatest source of congestion are the thousands of cars going to ski resorts.

A thought: The compounding and complex issues surrounding congestion, which are not confined to the roadways (trails, neighborhoods, etc.)

Load canyon transportation vehicles remote from the foothills, neighborhoods, and watershed.

I like Mayor Wilson's recommendation.

Good point, Aaron. From the Mountain Accord forward, and including the CWC work, climate change impacts are part of our consideration. And, we thank Will McCarville and others for continuing to emphasize this point.

The Cottonwoods Express would eliminate surface routes congestion utilizing existing parking around the Salt Lake Valley. Relatively invisible.

In Germany, bullet bikes and the like are not allowed on Sundays.

Minimize noise pollution?

Zero motorcycles are quiet!

WE should do more then consider visual impact we need to minimize it

Yes, noise pollution is a serious concern impacting the canyons.

I don't mind motorcycles, they just need better mufflers.

in response to the motorcycle point

The loud vehicles do have a significant negative effect on the wildlife populations, usually motorcycles.

Racing of motorcycles and vehicles during wee hours 2, 3 and 4AM up Wasatch Blvd into LCC is very disturbing.

The Cottonwoods Express could handle 30,000 people per hour with Tesla Model X vehicles which have bioweapon defense mode. They saved lives in other wildfires. Underground is unaffected by wildfires.

My residents and visitors care a lot about emergency egress.

How about "Considers emergency egress"?

For both snow and fire emergencies one possible solution is to construct shelters to be occuppied in the event of an emergency.

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I think the "congestion" comments don't take into account the fact that areas like resorts have the ability to accommodate large numbers of people with restrooms, restaurants, etc. Isn't it better to put people in these facilities and not make a general statement about congestion in these locations?

Preserve quality of user experience and feeling of natural setting.

The Cottonwoods Express will be able to deliver firefighters to different areas including possibly beyond a current fire

As we discuss congestion I think it would would be appropriate to incorporate an element of canyon capacity

Mark-those loud motorcycles have illegal mufflers. The only way we can get relief is enforcement of the mufflers laws that are already on the books. This could only be done at the State Emissions Inspection. Motorcycles would have to be required to have Emissions Inspections again.

Egress can also be Fisk mitigations to the existing road corridor. This objective so far looks too much like a Trojan horse for canyon to canyon over the surface (tram) connections.

The Cottonwoods Express stations would also be about the size of an ATM kiosk and be able to be fireproof and aesthetic.

how long is the break

Could CWC support a legal muffler inspection at the State Legislature this year?