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Central Wasatch Commission Mountain Transportation System Summit - Shared screen with speaker view
Laura Briefer
29:52
Hello everyone - I am in Montana right now, with a somewhat weak connection. I may turn my video off every now and then.
Christopher Robinson
34:56
Thanks to all of you for taking such a lot of time out of your next two days to participate with us!
David Stein
38:10
If none of the four draft alternatives meet the CWC Staff Recommended Attributes or Objectives for a MTS, will the CWC please recommend the least damaging and most easily rescinded alternative, more buses with no widening of SR-210 and NO snowsheds?
Megan Anderson
38:49
I agree with David.
Julianna Christie, Crafted Leadership
41:40
Here is the chat box
Mike Christensen, Utah Rail Passengers Association
41:48
Something. ;)
Andy Beerman - Mayor - Park City
41:49
Hi
Ralph Becker
41:50
YO!
Lauren Victor, WFRC
41:50
Hello!
Abi Holt
41:50
Hello
Jenny Wilson (SL County)
41:52
Hello from Jenny Wilson
Carlton C-UTA
41:53
hello
Jeff Silvestrini- CWC- Millcreek
41:54
Hello
Marci Houseman: Central Wasatch Commission
41:55
It is great to be with all of you today!
Chantal Papillon
41:55
Greetings!
Kim Mayhew-Solitude Mountain Resort
41:56
Hello!!
Shawn Marquardt - Doppelmayr
41:56
Let it snow!
William McCarvill
41:57
Had a nice ski tour this AM
Kerry Doane - UTA Planning
41:57
Hi all!
Aaron London (WBA)
41:58
Gorgeous morning in the Wasatch today
Myrna Groomer - Sandy City Public Utilities
42:00
Hi!
Christopher Cushing SE Group
42:00
Hi
Mike Maughan - Alta Ski Area
42:01
Think Snow
Nate Furman- Salt Lake Climbers Association
42:01
I've been trying to figure out where I am today.... ;)
Dennis Goreham - Was Mtn Club
42:01
Hello - Dennis
Kain Kutz (he, him) (representing myself)
42:01
howdy!
Annalee Munsey, Metropolitan Water District SLS
42:02
HI
Blake Perez CWC
42:03
Its Friday 13th 2020!! We got this!
Val Oveson - SkyRidge Development
42:06
Hi from Bountiful
Barbara Cameron-BCCA
42:07
Hello!
Sandy Resident Steve Van Maren
42:10
Glad for the opportunity to save the chat.
Dan Knopp
42:11
hi
Aaron Dekeyzer
42:12
Hello
Grant Amann - Wasatch County Planning
42:12
Hello!
Carolyn Keigley, Brighton town council
42:13
This is Carolyn Keigley
Holly Lopez
42:13
Hello
Mike Marker-LCC Resident
42:15
Hi
Caroline Rodriguez
42:19
I’m sorry but I am on an iPad and for some reason not able to change my profile at all, via those three dots. I am with Summit County.
Helen Peters Salt Lake County
42:20
Hello. I can't use my video since my webcam is broken.
Ellen Birrell SaveNotPave.org
42:20
Hello from Save Not Pave!
Rachel Ridge
42:24
Aloha!
Lisa Bagley
42:32
I lived in Switzerland for two years, and snowsheds, tunnels, and gondolas are the best ideas of stewardship I have every seen! We could learn a lot from the Swiss.
Nathan Rafferty // Ski Utah
42:36
https://www.skiutah.com/blog/authors/yeti/utah-ski-resort-opening-dates
Ned Hacker-WFRC
43:10
Great to be with all of you.
Sandy Resident Steve Van Maren
43:11
That was too fact to vote!
Lisa Bagley
43:39
Lisa Bagley, community
Carolyn Keigley, Brighton town council
44:47
I don't see the blue hand
Grant Amann - Wasatch County Planning
45:11
After clicking Participants, Click the "..."
Harris Sondak Alta
45:13
click on participants and a window opens
Lisa Bagley
45:50
I don’t have hand either
Grant Amann - Wasatch County Planning
45:54
I don't have a blue hand, but I do have a "..." that includes the option to raise the hand
Chantal Papillon
46:11
it ´s on the 3 dots
Lauren Victor, WFRC
46:12
Click on the "Raise Hand" that is at the bottom right of the participants
Kerry Doane - UTA Planning
46:14
I struggled too. It's a separate button at bottom
John Knoblock
46:27
exactly
Rachel Ridge
46:31
Same as Grant - I'm on the app if it helps
Lindsey Nielsen
49:51
Lindsey Nielsen: 801-706-1004
patrick shea
58:47
I have just found out that the Chat box is restricted to the cohost only. No notice was given as to that restriction. In any public meeting individuals are able to speak to one another as long as their conversations don't disrupt the proceedings of the public meeting.
patrick shea
59:17
I request the restriction be removed the duration of the Summit. Censorship doesn't work.
Christopher Robinson, CWC Chair
59:55
Lindsey,
Christopher Robinson, CWC Chair
01:00:10
Lindsey, can you please follow up on Pat’s request? CFR
Lindsey Nielsen
01:00:14
Hi Pat, and all: That was not an intentional meeting setting, but rather a default setting. I've manually changed that setting in Zoom, so you should be able to chat privately with other participants
Christopher Robinson, CWC Chair
01:01:07
I don’t think it’s working as I can’t chat either.
David Stein - Cottonwoods Express Inc.
01:01:25
Still a limited list to send a chat message to.
Christopher Robinson, CWC Chair
01:04:32
Chat function appears fully enabled now. Thanks Lindsey!
David Stein - Cottonwoods Express Inc.
01:05:26
I still cannot send a chat directly to someone such as Dan Knopp
Carl Fisher, Save Our Canyons
01:05:27
It is important to note that environmental protection is part of the intent of legislation, but it is not the sole purpose… I believe it is misleading to say the legislation’s purpose is protection. (b) PURPOSES.—The purposes of the Conservationand Recreation Area are to—(1) conserve and protect the ecological, natural,scenic, cultural, historical, geological, and biological values of the Conservation and Recreation Area;(2) protect, enhance, and restore the water quality and watershed resources in the Conservation and Recreation Area;(3) facilitate a balanced, year-round recreation system with a wide variety of opportunities for residents and visitors; and(4) facilitate and accommodate improved access for a growing number of users.
Ralph Becker
01:05:56
Thanks for the amplification, Carl.
David Stein - Cottonwoods Express Inc.
01:09:05
For everyone: Cottonwoods Express proposal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1kfsbonyy4dqr04/Cottonwoods%20Express%20proposal%20V3.2.pdf?dl=0
Christopher Robinson, CWC Chair
01:09:55
Thanks David!
Ralph Becker
01:11:37
Thanks, David. Also received your email.
patrick shea
01:11:51
Is one outcome of this Summit to include a recommendation that more study and data is needed before any action items are recommended?
Ralph Becker
01:12:14
That is posslble.
Ralph Becker
01:12:20
possible
Ralph Becker
01:12:50
The results of the Summit are not pre-determined.
patrick shea
01:13:32
Maybe not pre-determined but a shared vision.
Megan Anderson
01:13:36
Thanks for your clarification Carl.
Megan Anderson
01:14:27
I also cannot send private messages to participants.
Lindsey Nielsen
01:15:20
All -- I will give a quick update about 1:1 messaging after Blake's presentation
Ralph Becker
01:16:28
The ideal, Pat, will be a shared vision or proposal/recommendation. We'll see where we end up.
Megan Anderson
01:17:22
The existing railway is the Little Cottonwood Trail, correct?
David Stein - Cottonwoods Express Inc.
01:17:30
Per Stadler's locomotive fact sheets, the Cog Rail would be very slow (12.5-17 kph descending, depending on grade. Steeper grade, it has to go slower to dissipate energy).
Sandy Resident Steve Van Maren
01:17:41
Buss connection to TRAX does not represent the change made last year.
Ralph Becker
01:19:14
We'll get to specific rail and other mode alternatives shortly. And, people from UTA and Stadler Rail are part of the Summit participants. Let's see if one of those experts can help answer specifics about rail.
patrick shea
01:19:14
How many people participated in the Design Your Transit?
Lisa Bagley - Community
01:19:34
Can anyone tell me the minutes traveled for the Park City Gondola from Canyons to Park City?
Ralph Becker
01:20:12
There were changes in the connections to TRAX last year. They included the stop(s) at TRAX, timing and frequency of those connections.
David Stein - Cottonwoods Express Inc.
01:20:22
Cottonwoods Express time would be <2 minutes transit time.
Christopher Cushing SE Group
01:20:49
I believe the gondola ride PC to Canyons as a little over 10 minutes
Nate Furman- SLCA
01:20:50
Where are we able to review the comments that have been submitted? Thank you.
Megan Anderson
01:21:14
In the past the existing path has been over the Little Cottonwood Trail because historically there was a rail there. If that were to happen it would cut off so much recreation and leave an enormous footprint. I have spoken to multiple engineers who have said it would be very difficult to have a train follow the road because of the turns.
Ralph Becker
01:21:41
Transit by Design participants: 832. There is information on the CWC website.
Ralph Becker
01:22:41
Comments Summary on MTS: https://cwc.utah.gov/transportation/
Caroline Rodriguez, Summit County
01:24:00
@lindsey If we do that, can you please share a link and password so they we don't have to re-register again to gain entry?
Nate Furman- SLCA
01:24:50
Ralph, thank you. I am asking if the individual comments are available, as they in many public comment solicitations.
patrick shea
01:25:49
Ralph, where on the CWC webpage?
Ralph Becker
01:26:17
We can provide individual comments. Would you reach out after this meeting and we can find a way to get those to you?
Nate Furman- SLCA
01:26:39
I can. Thank you.
michael allegra
01:32:58
COG rail speeds vary between 80 kph in adhesion mode to 30 kph in rack (COG) mode. Average speed is estimated at 50kph
David Stein - Cottonwoods Express Inc.
01:34:33
That 30 kph is ascending. Since what goes up must come down, the slowest speed limits the total round-trip time. It is still a relatively slow mode which is fine, even desirable for sightseeing but undesirable when you're trying to get first tracks.
Megan Anderson
01:36:03
The Cottonwoods Express is definitely a much faster option than the cog rail. It also wouldn’t cut off recreation by going over the Little Cottonwood Trail.
michael allegra
01:36:32
David, I’m happy to visit with you offline and share the actual performance as designed by Stadler vehicle engineers. Mike Allegra
Barbara Cameron-BCCA
01:37:27
Laura,Does SLC Public Utilities have a current and pro-active canyon wildfire prevention plan? Will there be regular fuel reduction projects in BCC and LCC? How often?
Del Draper, Alta Community
01:38:02
what percentage of the water in Salt Lake valley comes from Big and Little Cottonwood canyons as opposed to other sources such as other canyons, Wells Deer Creek reservoir etc?
Patrick Nelson
01:40:37
Barbara- SLC Public Utilities is updating its Watershed Management Plan. Wildfire policy, including fuels reduction and post fire actions will be a part of it. Thanks!
Patrick Nelson
01:41:20
Del- City Creek, Parleys, Big and Little Cottonwood contribute roughly 60% of SLCDPU's source water.
Lisa Bagley - Community
01:42:44
Barbara, SLCo Emergency Management is currently working on CEMP (Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan)
Barbara Cameron-BCCA
01:42:52
Patrick-When will we be able to see the Wildfire Management Plan? Will there be public input?
Patrick Nelson
01:43:19
Barbara- This winter. There will be a lot of public input! :)
Carl Fisher, Save Our Canyons
01:43:23
👏incorporate protection… don’t just disclose the impact, which is the bare minimum of what EIS’s do.
Megan Anderson
01:45:00
Thank you Carl.
Barbara Cameron-BCCA
01:46:09
Salt Lake City also owns a lot of property in the canyons. Will there be a be a focus on management of those lands?
Patrick Nelson
01:46:22
Barbara- Yes
Mike Peterson
01:46:42
Laura, are the treatment plants at the mouth of our canyons “state of the art”. Is the footprints and status expected to stay the same for the immediate future?
Barbara Cameron-BCCA
01:47:13
The Keep It Pure project is an outstanding public outreach. Glad to see it will be continued!
Mike Marker-LCC Resident
01:48:31
Are those % surface water only?
Laura Briefer, Salt Lake City Municipal Govt.
01:50:41
Barbara, thank you.
Dave Fields - Snowbird
01:52:25
" . . . . address current and future environmental issues and growth." Systems need to look forward, not just at present state.
Laura Briefer, Salt Lake City Municipal Govt.
01:52:50
Mike - 50-60% surface water from the Wasatch canyons. About 30% to 35% from Deer Creek Reservoir (Provo River system) also surface water. About 10-15% groundwater. That is about the 30 year average. Of course our population is growing and land use in our service area changing, which will continue to rely heavily on all of these water sources now and in the future.
Ellen Birrell SaveNotPave.org
01:53:09
Minimize congestion by NOT funding new parking lots in valley, foothills and canyons INSTEAD focus on innovative transit using high tech apps to steer riders to best alternatives to driving their cars. More lanes and more parking lots induces demand and equals more cars and more congestion.
Ralph Becker
01:53:35
Dave, I think the "Problem Statement" includes providing for the future. We
Ralph Becker
01:53:46
'll look to see if it needs to be clarified.
Annalee Munsey, Metropolitan Water District SLS
01:54:39
The Little Cottonwood Water Treatment Plant was constructed in 1960. In 2007 we completed an on-site improvement project.
Aaron London (WBA)
01:55:11
Building any 50-year scale system needs to incorporate modeling of climate 50 years out which shows a vast reduction in the length of winter in the Wasatch and significant changes to precipitation and temperature patterns.
John Knoblock
01:55:48
Clearly identifying the problem that we're trying to solve is critical. In my view, the greatest source of congestion are the thousands of cars going to ski resorts.
Carl Fisher, Save Our Canyons
01:56:06
A thought: The compounding and complex issues surrounding congestion, which are not confined to the roadways (trails, neighborhoods, etc.)
Sandy Resident Steve Van Maren
01:56:24
Load canyon transportation vehicles remote from the foothills, neighborhoods, and watershed.
Laura Briefer, Salt Lake City Municipal Govt.
01:56:42
I like Mayor Wilson's recommendation.
Ralph Becker
01:56:47
Good point, Aaron. From the Mountain Accord forward, and including the CWC work, climate change impacts are part of our consideration. And, we thank Will McCarville and others for continuing to emphasize this point.
Cottonwoods Express - David Stein
01:57:13
The Cottonwoods Express would eliminate surface routes congestion utilizing existing parking around the Salt Lake Valley. Relatively invisible.
Ellen Birrell SaveNotPave.org
01:57:24
In Germany, bullet bikes and the like are not allowed on Sundays.
Jenny Wilson (SL County)
01:57:34
Minimize noise pollution?
Cottonwoods Express - David Stein
01:57:36
Zero motorcycles are quiet!
Dennis Goreham, WMC
01:57:42
WE should do more then consider visual impact we need to minimize it
John Knoblock
01:57:43
Yes, noise pollution is a serious concern impacting the canyons.
Dave Fields - Snowbird
01:57:44
I don't mind motorcycles, they just need better mufflers.
Jenny Wilson (SL County)
01:57:47
in response to the motorcycle point
Jake Young
01:58:35
The loud vehicles do have a significant negative effect on the wildlife populations, usually motorcycles.
Ellen Birrell SaveNotPave.org
01:58:39
Racing of motorcycles and vehicles during wee hours 2, 3 and 4AM up Wasatch Blvd into LCC is very disturbing.
Cottonwoods Express - David Stein
01:59:00
The Cottonwoods Express could handle 30,000 people per hour with Tesla Model X vehicles which have bioweapon defense mode. They saved lives in other wildfires. Underground is unaffected by wildfires.
Harris Sondak CWC (Alta)
01:59:23
My residents and visitors care a lot about emergency egress.
Kerry Doane - UTA Planning
01:59:26
How about "Considers emergency egress"?
patrick shea
01:59:37
For both snow and fire emergencies one possible solution is to construct shelters to be occuppied in the event of an emergency.
Aaron London (WBA)
01:59:44
👍
Dave Fields - Snowbird
01:59:45
I think the "congestion" comments don't take into account the fact that areas like resorts have the ability to accommodate large numbers of people with restrooms, restaurants, etc. Isn't it better to put people in these facilities and not make a general statement about congestion in these locations?
Andy Beerman - CWC - Park City
02:00:36
Preserve quality of user experience and feeling of natural setting.
Cottonwoods Express - David Stein
02:00:38
The Cottonwoods Express will be able to deliver firefighters to different areas including possibly beyond a current fire
Aaron Dekeyzer
02:01:00
As we discuss congestion I think it would would be appropriate to incorporate an element of canyon capacity
Barbara Cameron-BCCA
02:01:23
Mark-those loud motorcycles have illegal mufflers. The only way we can get relief is enforcement of the mufflers laws that are already on the books. This could only be done at the State Emissions Inspection. Motorcycles would have to be required to have Emissions Inspections again.
David Carroll
02:01:30
Egress can also be Fisk mitigations to the existing road corridor. This objective so far looks too much like a Trojan horse for canyon to canyon over the surface (tram) connections.
Cottonwoods Express - David Stein
02:01:47
The Cottonwoods Express stations would also be about the size of an ATM kiosk and be able to be fireproof and aesthetic.
Carolyn Keigley, Brighton town council
02:01:52
how long is the break
Barbara Cameron-BCCA
02:02:25
Could CWC support a legal muffler inspection at the State Legislature this year?