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Eliminating Chronic Back and Body Pain - Free August Lecture Series - Shared screen with speaker view
Jessica Shahinian
07:09
Learn more by visiting PPDAssociation.org
Jessica Shahinian
10:26
Agenda for tonight’s meeting: Jessica Shahinian, the Executive Director of the Psychophysiologic Disorders Association, will discuss her recovery story, recovery tips you can begin utilizing tonight, and the resources the PPDA offers to patients and practitioners.
Christina Kaufman
16:26
Hi Dr. Clarke!
Kate k
16:30
hello, how do I turn on the sound?
Kate k
23:19
Hi, I had to enable my own microphone in order to hear you all. now its good!
Tony Buffington
25:44
care to comment on this? https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/08/long-haulers-covid-19-recognition-support-groups-symptoms/615382/
Kate k
27:11
I SO relate to what Jessica is saying.
Elaine Kaple
27:14
Yes!
Theresa Lode
28:19
Looks like an interesting article, Tony. I bookmarked it so I can read it with focus. And yeah, Jessica...I can relate!
Kate k
28:54
I've had that too- where a side effect from a medication lasts for years.
Elaine Kaple
29:01
Tried it all
Theresa Lode
29:12
Oh yes.....years of trying all sorts of stuff...until, Sarno. ;)
Debbie Roes
29:15
Yes, I've tried many, many things. In pain for over 35 years :-(
Rebecca Tolin
30:01
I tried everything possible for 13 years to heal from CFS before getting well with Sarno’s work.
Kathleen Rooney
30:17
same Theresa, Sarno's method (& seeing a doctor that trained under him) was the only thing that had any substantial impact on my pain after four years of trying everything
Linda Elarde
30:57
yes....everything....weekly for 2 years. Even bilateral lumbar injections... after that I began searching and found Dr David Hanscom's backincontrol.com...that redirected my path...
Theresa Lode
31:15
Very cool, Kathleen! I saw Howard Shubiner… I was a hard core case and needed medical validation. lol
Debbie Roes
31:38
I'm not sure where I'm stuck... I found Sarno almost 2 years ago. Have gotten SOME relief, but I have many, many symptoms like Jessica had. I journaled almost daily for 1.5 years. Still struggling a lot, especially with migraines and GI issues.
Theresa Lode
32:12
Debbie Roes, there is healing....you can be free. Jessica speaks truth!
Kathleen Rooney
32:33
yes, seeing a doctor was really integral to my belief too
Debbie Roes
32:37
Thank you, @Theresa. I'm open to learning new things to try.
Dave Clarke
33:12
Many up to date, science-based resources chosen by experts at ppdassociation.org/resources
Theresa Lode
33:21
Debbie, you are so welcome. Therapy has been profoundly helpful to me. I had a lot of trauma as a child and that played into my chronic pain A LOT.
Kathleen Rooney
34:02
i second therapy! it was so helpful for me too understand what was really at play in my personality as well that was contributing to my pain
Debbie Roes
34:37
I've had a lot of therapy, but mostly when I was much younger (depression and eating disorders in my teens and twenties). I'm open to more therapy now, but I don't have a whole lot of money for it.
Theresa Lode
35:11
Dr. Clarke - I met you in Sedona AZ at the film festival where Mike Gallinsky
Theresa Lode
35:29
'sAll the Rage was played. I love seeing your work. :)
Dave Clarke
36:25
I remember, Theresa. Great audiences for those screenings. Michael is brilliant.
Theresa Lode
36:32
Debbie, I hear you. If it wasn't for insurance, I wouldn't have got the therapy I needed.
Rebecca Tolin
36:47
Theresa, Dr. Shubiner also played a big role in my recovery! So did mind-body coaching, which also address stressors. Debbie there’s so much you can do on your own, too!
Theresa Lode
37:05
Yes! Michael is brilliant! So grateful for connecting with awesome folks like you!
Dave Clarke
37:31
The app Curable was developed by numerous experts. Almost like having a therapist in your smartphone.
David Bowler
37:55
As a physician I was introduced to Sarno’s work in around 2012 by a patient whose chronic pain resolved after reading Scott Brady’s book, based on Dr. Sarno’s work. Since then asa pain management physician I have had numerous patients have their pain resolve or reduce with reading Sarno’s work or Georgie Oldfield’s book or through psychotherapy. Stress is a huge contributor to chronic pain. The PPDA course is worth taking.
Kate k
37:56
No she's making perfect sense
Theresa Lode
38:18
Synchronicity! I just downloaded Curable on my phone yesterday.
Linda Elarde
38:38
The lockdown gave me time to research...i needed to know the science and then found Dr John Stracks. Great results! Why don't doctors consider this? every treatment is structurally oriented.
mary
38:53
yes!!
Kate k
39:13
As a former dancer whose first experience with PPD was an injury that prevented me from dancing for 17 years, I appreciate Jessica sharing her experience.
Kate k
39:21
*15
Theresa Lode
39:29
Rebecca, Dr. Schubiner rocks. :)
David Bowler
39:33
Physicians often do think of this but don’t know how to help.
Kate k
40:31
@David Yes- they know it's somehow related but sometimes assume that means the pain isn't real.
Linda Elarde
41:07
I'm trying to view All the Rage...I can only find the trailer. I do meditation, expressive writing, sessions with Dr Stracks
Theresa Lode
41:18
This is an outstanding resource!
Theresa Lode
42:20
Linda, reach out to Michael Galinksy on FB. (The producer of All the Rage.) He can help you access the film.
David Bowler
42:21
Finding the story behind the pain is very helpful. Eg what was going on in your life before the pain came on?
mary
42:42
there are not a lot of practitioners. I could do a zoom connection but I’d really like to find local doctor and therapist.
Tony Buffington
42:53
What about Covid-19 “long-hauler” syndrome?
Charles Brody
42:59
Is the goal ro alleviate patient's pain or to learn to accept or mindfully detach from the pain?
David Bowler
43:42
I am sure there are lots of practitioners that are not listed on the site.
Theresa Lode
43:54
Charles, speaking from experience - this is about making the pain END. Not alleviate. Not detach from it. END.
David Bowler
44:09
Recommended Curable to a patient recently. Looking forward to feedback for her soon.
Linda Elarde
44:20
curable is amazing!
Dave Clarke
45:45
Must attend to family dinner guests. Great job Jessica! Best wishes to all.
Lauren Lowry
46:02
can asthma symptoms be a PPD symptom? dr Schubiner diagnosed me with TMS, and I have many symptoms. But I also have asthma - can that be a mind body symptom?
David Bowler
46:46
Charles: Sometimes the pain just disappears when reading the book or having a discussion. I had one lose her pain just reading a website on PPD. Sometimes pain drops in stages. Sometimes another pain replaces the presenting one.
David Bowler
47:20
Great website and course. Practitioner page needs to be expanded.
Tony Buffington
49:48
Good point; most chronic diseases benefit from “stress” reduction
Debbie Roes
51:04
QUESTION: What do you think of the concept of the symptoms being a brain injury / limbic system impairment? This is the philosophy of DNRS (the Dynamic Neural Retraining System). After 1.5 years of not getting better with my TMS work, I took that course in October and am doing their program. But it feels like it contradicts with Sarno and other TMS experts. I'm not sure if I should keep trying to do BOTH.
Kate k
55:29
I often experience most of my pain symptoms on the right side of the my body only. From severe pain in one area to even minor skin rashes, etc. I've heard some others say they're symptoms are mainly on side of their body too. What could be the significance of this?
Rebecca Tolin
57:53
Do you use physiologic pain as a synonym for TMS or Mind-Body Syndrome? it’s tricky because different doctors use different language for the same phenomenon.
Tony Buffington
59:19
This is because everyone’s genetics, epigenetic, and history are unique to them
Debbie Roes
59:52
Examples of the modalities?
Kate k
01:02:16
"There's no pain substance" that's so helpful to understand, thanks Jessica.
Kate k
01:02:39
Question: I often experience most of my pain symptoms on the right side of the my body only. From severe pain in one area to even minor skin rashes, etc. I've heard some others say they're symptoms are mainly on side of their body too. What could be the significance of this?
Linda Elarde
01:02:41
your site is a fantastic resource...thank you!
Tony Buffington
01:03:30
As Dr. Clarke points out, “pain is a decision the brain makes, to which I would add, “and the brain can change its mind”
Linda Elarde
01:04:33
My symptoms fluctuate and migrate but always from hips down to my toes. my upper body is never painful...except I've had severe dry eye. can that be PPD?
Rebecca Tolin
01:04:35
Dr. Schubiner also says neuro-pathway pain a lot.
Kate k
01:04:38
Question for Jessica: Question: I often experience most of my pain symptoms on the right side of the my body only. From severe pain in one area to even minor skin rashes, etc. I've heard some others say they're symptoms are mainly on side of their body too. What could be the significance of this?
Rebecca Tolin
01:06:44
Jessica, Thank you so much for sharing your extraordinary story and website. I’m so happy to learn of these resources!
Stephanie Faulkner
01:06:47
What about Arthritis & pinched nerve? Does that fit with the mind/body syndrome?
Debbie Roes
01:06:51
QUESTION: Re: "neural pathway changes"... That's basically what DNRS says, too, but their program is so different from most of what I've seen for TMS (PPD) programs. I was focused on feeling my feelings for 1.5 years and then I did DNRS and it's all about "staying in the positive" while "retraining the brain." This feels contradictory. Does Jessica or anyone else have anything to say about DNRS?
David Bowler
01:06:59
apologies. My internet has been unstable for a few minutes . I’l contribute later.
Shawn Smith
01:08:24
Fluctuate, migrate, move around -- we all experience that. That is not of real interest to me, at least. It is how do we make it stop is the real issue.
Linda Elarde
01:08:56
I had the same thing....I have stenosis...but the symptoms are never comsistent.
Robin Elliott
01:09:58
I’m currently tapering off benzodiazapine so I am in a chronic state of withdrawal which is 24/7 fight or flight. I have PAWS - prolonged acute withdrawal. The chronic fight or flight then results in numerous stress related health conditions. after running across Sarno & TMS, etc., I have greatly reduced the health issues like POTS, GERD, food & environment intolerances, pelvic floor pain, neck pain, rashes, etc. But I still have anxiety & fatigue. Is benzo withdrawal “real” or is it TMS. I have been unable to get a consensus on this from TMS doctors. I am hoping to find research on this issue, like brain imaging, that shows changes in the brain when taking benzos as well as brain changes during withdrawal. Some people suffer horribly for years after total withdrawal.
Debbie Roes
01:11:06
I've often heard that if the pain migrates, it's a sign that we're getting well (symptom imperative). But that's how my pain has ALWAYS been. I've had multiple symptoms for years and which symptoms are the worst changes all the time. So it makes me angry when I hear that my migrating and up and down symptoms are a "good sign." I need to know what to do to get rid of the symptoms, not hear that my symptoms are a good sign...
Charles Brody
01:11:16
I have seen with my work over the years with chronic pain patients that stress absolutely intensities pain. It is particularly seen in my work with biofeedback and the physiological relation of stress, pain and fear. The challenge is always that pain more than anything else is a subjective matter or one person's agony can be another person's annoyance.
Kate k
01:12:05
Thank you for those examples and explanation.
Theresa Lode
01:12:32
Dr. Bowler, Delighted to hear from another TMS doc! Thank you for your work!
Jessica Shahinian
01:13:34
https://ppdassociation.thinkific.com/courses/introductory/?coupon=learnmore
Debbie Roes
01:14:34
The link looks like it's just free for part one of three. Is that right?
JAMES STILWELL
01:15:00
Another great meeting Joe! Thanks Jessica for sharing your story and the work you do! Thank you too Dr. Bowler!
Linda Elarde
01:15:12
Thank you! This is a fantastic resource!
Steve Rose
01:15:29
wow thank you for the free course!
Jessica Shahinian
01:15:34
info@ppdassociation.org
mary
01:15:39
thank you so much!
Lowell Smith
01:15:45
Thanks Jessica for the opportunity to take the introductory course, I've been meaning to get around to doing that!
Kathleen Rooney
01:15:46
Thank you!!! This was so great!!!
Steve Rose
01:15:54
and thank you for the story and the hope!
Shawn Smith
01:15:54
I am personally not convinced yet
Tony Buffington
01:16:09
Thank you for what you are doing! 😻
Jessica Shahinian
01:16:10
PPDAssociation.org
Theresa Lode
01:16:12
What a wonderful offering! Thank you so much.
Sheila Baker
01:16:26
Thanks everyone
Kate k
01:16:36
Thank you! looking forward to next time too!
Theresa Lode
01:16:40
Thank you so much for doing this.
David Bowler
01:16:50
In the UK TMS, MBS or PPD is called stress-related or stress-induced illness. Patients identify with that term
Rebecca Tolin
01:16:51
Thank you for the wonderful presentation and free course, Jessica! Thanks for bringing us together Joe!
Steve Rose
01:17:00
thank you!
Kate k
01:17:06
Well done!
Linda Elarde
01:17:11
will be back!!
Debbie Roes
01:17:21
Thank you!
Robin Elliott
01:17:28
is the course free or not. it’s not clear on the webpage. thanks