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Hand, Head and Heart – An AoC-supported debate - Shared screen with speaker view
David Hughes
23:07
Please do post thoughts, comments and questions here as we go along, thanks
Craig Robertson
32:07
I confirm that the phenomena David is describing is current in Australia and is also a theme in the US in a book by David Sandel - The Tyranny of Merit
Craig Robertson
33:17
David G - many people blame the notion of Becker's Human Capital mixed with neo-liberal economic philosophy. Do you have a view?
Katie Driver
34:47
Will be interesting to see whether the pandemic will accelerate the shift away from Head - eg by changing expectations of GCSEs/A-levels/the HE machine, and because it's shone a spotlight on the many Hand and Heart jobs we depend upon but have not sufficiently valued.
Charlotte Piper
38:26
Yes, Sandel says we need to appreciate what we owe others who do Hand and Heart jobs. And he hopes this will lead to a revival of a sense of the common good (and counter populist tendencies).
Craig Robertson
39:26
Charlotte - I haven't read the book yet although I have it -sounds like a good read. I now have David's book to read as well.
Craig Robertson
40:08
I sense there's a bit of a groundswell on this issue - maybe the big impact from COVID?
Charlotte Piper
40:21
Craig - I've not read it either. I cheated and attended an online event where he presented his ideas.
Craig Robertson
44:00
David G - you mention writing by Paul Lewis on Technicians - is there a book you are referring to. Same issue here in Australia.
David Allen
44:15
There was a similar groundswell after 9/11 but firefighters still live in Queens and bankers in Manhattan. Lot of it to do with class, social capital and opportunities for higher earnings in professional services ie some of the jobs that will disappear.
Ian Pryce
45:53
You don't tend to notice the absence of Head people immediately, you do the hand and heart people, it's in the nature of their roles (very immediate). Is there a danger the pandemic overstates the problem? I agree it is a problem and rebalancing and valuing/cherishing those roles is necessary
Sheona Goodyear
46:33
Do you think this "head" focus limits our view and impacts us as a nation as it demonstrates bias towards a particular construct of intelligence which does not encourage creative approaches to development. Should we be increasing recognition of the contribution that neurodiverse individuals can make in innovative approaches to business, the economy etc? Through hand based learning many people achieve at a high level that would not be possible through traditional "head" based approaches to education.
Craig Robertson
46:36
In Aust we have virtually lost all school leavers going into TVET - over 50% go to uni and the rest wonder into work - although that is under threat and it's normally precarious employment
Craig Robertson
47:22
amen - let's rethink skill
Paul STEPHEN
48:03
The Case for Working with Your Hands (Matthew Crawford) is compelling on why manual skills are far more resilient to outsourcing / offshoring / redundancy than Head skillsets
Craig Robertson
49:35
Claim it David
Katie Driver
01:04:31
Yes - bizarrely in a system that prizes Head, we have created many people who struggle to think for themselves!
Craig Robertson
01:10:25
Agreed Alun - knowledge stripped out of VET in Australia
Sheona Goodyear
01:17:00
How do we develop acknowledgement that good with your hands can also = "clever"?
Katie Driver
01:20:17
“Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.” William Bruce Cameron
Craig Robertson
01:21:50
? for Alun - what are you doing to bring knowledge into the curriculum at FE
Craig Robertson
01:22:51
4am
Craig Robertson
01:23:27
this is such a fantastic discussion - and just so so important
Katie Driver
01:24:09
Q: what can be done to communicate wider possibilities to parents, not only employers? And early - conversations at Year 9 are already about what GCSEs will lead to the 'right' A Levels and on to University. (As Alun is just touching on now.)
Sheona Goodyear
01:25:16
I agree Katie - many parents only aspire to university education for their children - how do we build belief in alternative routes?
Craig Robertson
01:26:13
Alun - the same here and it's a major issue for us
Craig Robertson
01:27:49
fantastic - there will be lots of leaders from TAFEs keen to see how you have done it
Craig Robertson
01:28:20
we have regulation that virtually excludes knowledge
Craig Robertson
01:28:48
fantastic Alun - agree totally
Paul STEPHEN
01:29:47
sorry to have to leave - this has been a fantastic discussion and thanks to all the speakers
Craig Robertson
01:43:51
David G - we should get the book out into Australian media
David Allen
01:44:25
Completely agree. Am referencing in my awards ceremony address tomorrow. Very energising discussion
Sheona Goodyear
01:45:01
A glib final comment/quote I believe is from St Francis of Assissi: "He who works with his hands and his head and his heart is an artist" ?
Charlotte Piper
01:47:45
Many thanks everyone. Excellent discussion.
Katie Driver
01:48:07
Thanks everyone - very interesting!
Craig Robertson
01:48:23
great discussion thanks all
jane morrison
01:48:40
Really great and thought provoking event - thank you
Sheona Goodyear
01:48:41
Yep, thank you all
Michelle Royle
01:48:45
Really enjoyed this thank you