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Steve Magennis
01:54
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1qjmdlphjtNw42orCDcleq5ndSLWjJK8K/edit#slide=id.p2
ToIP Zoom 4
14:50
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Drummond Reed
19:06
+1 to Darrell’s point. We welcome folks to participate in the Technology Architecture Task Force.
Drummond Reed
21:44
Dan writes popular novels too ;-)
ToIP Zoom 4
22:13
He was bored and rich and moved into credentials
Eric Drury
22:18
Support multiple facet
Phil Wolff
24:59
Once upon a time I was technology innovation vp at a staffing company that hired about 3.5 million people a year in 60+ countries. later co-founded a candidate-ux advisory service.
Steve Magennis
25:28
wow
anushka
25:54
Hi Drummond. Architecture workforce participations sounds interesting …. I will discuss further with Darrell
Colin Strasburg
26:06
@Phil, do you remember average time it took to background check and onboard those folks
Phil Wolff
29:13
checks? what checks? most employers never checked references let alone academic creds, outside of regulated industries. studies found resumes and job apps full of lies, omissions, half-truths. to be fair, the same was true for job ads.
Phil Wolff
31:54
the costs/speed/friction for screening and background checks are falling rapidly. but remain full of bias and error.
ToIP Zoom 4
34:12
The awareness of biases would be a applicable here, who has the access to credentials as not all parties in the ecosystem will be at the same technological level.
sankarshan
35:37
(This has been a fantastic conversation. It highlights some of the hypothesis we have formed during a pilot which focuses on creating the discovery and trust relationships between the providers and learners (who are in for vocational skills to enable gig economy opportunities))
Phil Wolff
37:05
and these models are rife with assumptions about what makes a good or superior worker. these are largely free of soft-skills and other attributes that are hard to measure. gig silos run reputation systems that somewhat incorporate the human intangibles.
ToIP Zoom 4
38:15
We've discussed this before - the transferability of reputation across different systems.
P Subra
39:01
Phil -- Good observations. So what is the implication in your view for VCs etc... !
sankarshan
39:12
Gig work tends to inverse the reputation conversation though. Through conflating satisfaction ratings as an evidence of credibility. Instead of acquired skills and accomplishments through those skills and knowledge. So, the reputation aspect of gig economy is also a fraught conversation.
Drummond Reed
39:36
Great point, Sankarshan.
sankarshan
39:59
(Side note for Darrell - the onboarding flow reminds me of the Phase conversations during GHP)
Phil Wolff
41:35
There's been a furor in the US about School From Home turning into corporate surveillance inside people's homes, and abuses of students by exam proctors.
anushka
44:02
We need to revoke these credentials from the customer once the service is completed
Catherine Millett (she/her/hers)
44:19
The safer-in-home example is transferrable to the health care workers who are accessing homes.
Kapil Bareja
46:08
Interoperability aspect needs to be discussed if the user is travelling in different Geo location
Phil Wolff
48:43
@PS some claims can be verified. many cannot. there's vast opportunity to boost trust and value for all sides of the labor market. the fact is bad hires cost a lot, so fortunes are paid to improve hire quality, even for entry level workers.Decentralizing power strictly from the hirer and their intermediaries to workers and their agents/managers and worker confederations/coops/unions may be one of the ways that DIDs and Credentials can improve trust in a remote (and multinational) high velocity labor market.
Phil Wolff
51:14
LinkedIn and Glassdoor and the like have started to change employer vs. worker information asymmetry. Trusting the data provenance is pretty big. Trusting that the company you think you're working for is really the company that's paying you might keep you out of jail.
Phil Wolff
58:48
To revocation...While GDPR protects "consumers" and "citizens", there remain big gaps that exempt data shared with potential employers and actual employers and generated about interactions with candidates.There have been few/any examples of private legal action (or regulator intervention) to revert control over job application data or notes from job interviews to the applicant.Companies in an industry sometimes make arrangements to share applicant data and pool notes/feedback about workers, the better to source folks with domain experience.
Trinh Nguyen
01:01:37
Thank you for your great presentation, Jessica, Colin, and Dan. I need to go to join another meeting now. Great day, everyone!
Catherine Millett (she/her/hers)
01:03:50
Great session today. Much to think about.
Carly Huitema
01:06:02
I am thinking about the credentials that I have that would actually support the roles and jobs that I have been successful in.
Drummond Reed
01:07:33
Trust registries! See the Trust Registry Task Force: https://wiki.trustoverip.org/display/HOME/Trust+Registry+Task+Force
Carly Huitema
01:08:08
And the role of governance for the decisions as what is written to the trust registries
Drummond Reed
01:08:51
The other solution to verifying issuers is chained credentials. Those are being tackled by the ToIP ACDC (Authentic Chained Data Container) Task Force. https://wiki.trustoverip.org/display/HOME/ACDC+%28Authentic+Chained+Data+Container%29+Task+Force
Phil Wolff
01:10:09
HR has long had a view of "human capital" as a supply chain and logistics problem, people as interchangeable cogs. Can ecosystems enable rich expression of worker capability and nuanced descriptions of work in ways that can be better trusted?
Richard Zbinden
01:10:14
For the Crypto Exchanges FATF Travel rule has led to ITSA who provides this trust
Rob Broere
01:10:30
The work by GLEIF on vLEI will solve the proof of organisation.
Kapil Bareja
01:10:43
Thank you! Very informative session
Drummond Reed
01:10:44
+1
Drummond Reed
01:11:06
Really excellent session. Thanks to the Accenture team — and thanks to the new EFWG co-chairs!
jessica.t.townsend
01:11:15
Jessica.t.townsend@accenture.comDaniel.j.brown@accenture.comColin.strasburg@accenture.com
Lucas Carmona
01:11:19
Thank you! Great sesión team!
Judith Fleenor (Trust Over IP)
01:11:20
Thanks everyone!