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Phil Wolff
13:29
There once was a foundry from ToIP…
Carly Huitema
14:48
https://www.ontario.ca/page/micro-credentials-ontarios-postsecondary-schools
Carly Huitema
17:57
I suggest we take group notes for the talk here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vKcuZQ_v3Kfx5VDgigdGk62BPzpYovtDneqJu8A8AaY/editThis is the outline of a potential whitepaper to be written by members of EFWG.
Karen Hand
21:57
Humans are significant in data trust ecosystems and this topic is very important. Thanks Carly for bringing Dr Watkinson
Nicky Hickman
22:59
+1
Carly Huitema
23:22
And +1 to Trinh for the idea.
Trinh Nguyen
24:21
Thank you so very much, Carly. It's amazing of you to take member's idea seriously! Hats off!
Nicky Hickman
24:28
we definitely do need to consider the environment - physical / economic and socail
Steve Magennis
25:37
ecosystems DO NOT have to include all possible usecases
Karen Hand
25:38
There is a large body of knowledge and research in biological ecosystems relevant to us - e.g., how to measure? metrics?
Kyle Robinson
26:23
Autumn - you're speaking our language - "the borders of ecosystems are HARD to define"
Steve Magennis
26:35
+1 Kyle
Nicky Hickman
26:37
I like the idea about liminal spaces between and gradual transitions
Nicky Hickman
29:06
data is energy - the 'new oil'!
Phil Wolff
29:28
cannibals - peer trophic ?
Nicky Hickman
29:48
Is there something you wanted to share with the group @ Phil?
Kyle Robinson
31:18
I love these terms, "Individual, Population, Community"
Phil Wolff
31:34
@ Nicky, missed breakfast.
Carly Huitema
31:55
So what would be a population in a tech ecosystem? Since we don't have things that are linked by genetics (the same species).
Karen Hand
32:23
Depends on your granularity - ecosystems within ecosystems
Steve Magennis
32:26
@Carly, Ideals? Common Goals?
Kyle Robinson
33:13
@carly - multiple people/actors who do the same actions (e.g. 1000 people who are all holders of a credential)
Karen Hand
33:20
And tech ecosystems need to consider role of networks. Is there a biological equivalent? Symbiotic?
Nicky Hickman
33:45
@Phil LOL
Phil Wolff
34:34
I can't edit/comment on the talk outline doc. am I the only one?
Nicky Hickman
34:36
would say different actors' roles
Carly Huitema
34:58
Sorry, I will make the document public.
Carly Huitema
35:14
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vKcuZQ_v3Kfx5VDgigdGk62BPzpYovtDneqJu8A8AaY/edit
Nicky Hickman
35:34
every eco-system needs apex predators - @ Autumn - why is that - here in UK they are re-introducing apex predataors - why?
Carly Huitema
36:16
Can people edit now?
Nicky Hickman
36:34
Essif Lab describe a community as an organization of parties that has a common objective - = function?
Carly Huitema
38:04
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vKcuZQ_v3Kfx5VDgigdGk62BPzpYovtDneqJu8A8AaY/edit?usp=sharingThis link might open up the document now for editing.
Karen Hand
39:39
IT network - connected devices sharing resource, e.g., communications
Phil Wolff
39:41
Q. What are measures of functionality? Trophic efficiency? Stability? Memory?
Nicky Hickman
41:33
Q: Is there a natural life-cycle of ecosystems (rise and fall)
Steve Magennis
42:28
Leadership, funding, technology...
Trinh Nguyen
42:33
To add to Eric, I think it also includes the hardware (Internet cable, devices)
Nicky Hickman
42:44
this is wonderful Autumn.. definitely useful
Karen Hand
43:13
social change as well
Steve Magennis
43:18
$$$ == 🌞
Steve Magennis
43:40
:-)
Trinh Nguyen
44:12
I think in our ecosystem, we can think of $$$ in a progressive way, say CO2 and H2O cost of the system, because that's what $$$ eventually comes to be.
Kyle Robinson
44:30
@Eric - I would equate the soil, oxygen, sun as the foundation for the ecosystem(s) - in ToIP this would be Layer 1 and 2 (Utility and Agent)
Nicky Hickman
45:00
we should also explore how our ecosystems interact w/ natural ones by exploring different types of energy and value = social capital, natural capital, human capital as well as financial capital
Steve Magennis
47:02
in some ways I think you can say that technological ecosystems progress much faster than ecological (… or maybe not?)
Eric Drury
47:10
@Kyle - agree! And if then we zoom out, further than the ToIP Foundation, then…?
Nicky Hickman
48:00
@Steve - maybe we have been rushing too quickly towards end-state (climax community) and not recognising the need to take more time???
Carly Huitema
48:09
So we need to grow on death?
Kyle Robinson
48:10
@Eric - zooming out, people and electricity
Eric Drury
48:47
👍🏻
Nicky Hickman
48:57
@Carly in many ways - we are - the death of current internet models in Web 2.0 which are not trusted and harmful to people
Eric Drury
49:32
Good thought, Nicky, I agree
Steve Magennis
49:35
death of ideas == evolution of ideas
Karen Hand
51:13
disturbance = disruptive technologies
Steve Magennis
51:26
+1
Trinh Nguyen
51:43
Regulatory change too
Eric Drury
51:44
or …. Covid
Nicky Hickman
52:31
Brexit here in the UK
Nicky Hickman
53:05
most excellent question
Carly Huitema
54:09
How things change - new technologies that weren't available before.New regulation that presents barriers to returning to the original way of things.
Carly Huitema
55:21
The evolution to the new/next climax community? The way to not end up at the same place each time?
Carly Huitema
56:11
Evolution is another way to move on to the next climax community
Nicky Hickman
56:28
over thousands of years don't adaptations happen e.g. plants that rely on wildfire to start the seed cycle?
Phil Wolff
57:45
What are measures of ecosystem health? Resilience to recurring threats? Amount of resources/slack to speed rebound from shocks and disruption?
Karen Hand
57:46
as well, in digital ecosystems there is an accelerated rate of change
Carly Huitema
01:03:51
can hear it
Karen Hand
01:06:50
great video
Nicky Hickman
01:10:49
the need for multiple issuers of one type of credential
Karen Hand
01:15:35
speciation - zebra mussels in great lakes
Carly Huitema
01:15:37
Similar barriers - regulation, tarrifs, laws etc.
Nicky Hickman
01:16:01
a Canadian kangaroo would have a very secret pocket for baby kangeroos - privacy by design
Trinh Nguyen
01:16:11
LOL
Nicky Hickman
01:17:13
Sorry - don't want my last comment to be glib - than you Autumn - so much food for thought and interesting ideas sparked!
Autumn Watkinson
01:17:27
Not at all! it was great to be here
Eric Drury
01:17:35
Thanks Autumn!
Carly Huitema
01:18:33
Thanks so much Autumn, great talk
Judith Fleenor (Trust Over IP)
01:18:40
NO need to stop recording, unless someone asks