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There once was a foundry from ToIP…
I suggest we take group notes for the talk here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vKcuZQ_v3Kfx5VDgigdGk62BPzpYovtDneqJu8A8AaY/editThis is the outline of a potential whitepaper to be written by members of EFWG.
Humans are significant in data trust ecosystems and this topic is very important. Thanks Carly for bringing Dr Watkinson
And +1 to Trinh for the idea.
Thank you so very much, Carly. It's amazing of you to take member's idea seriously! Hats off!
we definitely do need to consider the environment - physical / economic and socail
ecosystems DO NOT have to include all possible usecases
There is a large body of knowledge and research in biological ecosystems relevant to us - e.g., how to measure? metrics?
Autumn - you're speaking our language - "the borders of ecosystems are HARD to define"
I like the idea about liminal spaces between and gradual transitions
data is energy - the 'new oil'!
cannibals - peer trophic ?
Is there something you wanted to share with the group @ Phil?
I love these terms, "Individual, Population, Community"
@ Nicky, missed breakfast.
So what would be a population in a tech ecosystem? Since we don't have things that are linked by genetics (the same species).
Depends on your granularity - ecosystems within ecosystems
@Carly, Ideals? Common Goals?
@carly - multiple people/actors who do the same actions (e.g. 1000 people who are all holders of a credential)
And tech ecosystems need to consider role of networks. Is there a biological equivalent? Symbiotic?
I can't edit/comment on the talk outline doc. am I the only one?
would say different actors' roles
Sorry, I will make the document public.
every eco-system needs apex predators - @ Autumn - why is that - here in UK they are re-introducing apex predataors - why?
Can people edit now?
Essif Lab describe a community as an organization of parties that has a common objective - = function?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vKcuZQ_v3Kfx5VDgigdGk62BPzpYovtDneqJu8A8AaY/edit?usp=sharingThis link might open up the document now for editing.
IT network - connected devices sharing resource, e.g., communications
Q. What are measures of functionality? Trophic efficiency? Stability? Memory?
Q: Is there a natural life-cycle of ecosystems (rise and fall)
Leadership, funding, technology...
To add to Eric, I think it also includes the hardware (Internet cable, devices)
this is wonderful Autumn.. definitely useful
social change as well
$$$ == 🌞
I think in our ecosystem, we can think of $$$ in a progressive way, say CO2 and H2O cost of the system, because that's what $$$ eventually comes to be.
@Eric - I would equate the soil, oxygen, sun as the foundation for the ecosystem(s) - in ToIP this would be Layer 1 and 2 (Utility and Agent)
we should also explore how our ecosystems interact w/ natural ones by exploring different types of energy and value = social capital, natural capital, human capital as well as financial capital
in some ways I think you can say that technological ecosystems progress much faster than ecological (… or maybe not?)
@Kyle - agree! And if then we zoom out, further than the ToIP Foundation, then…?
@Steve - maybe we have been rushing too quickly towards end-state (climax community) and not recognising the need to take more time???
So we need to grow on death?
@Eric - zooming out, people and electricity
@Carly in many ways - we are - the death of current internet models in Web 2.0 which are not trusted and harmful to people
Good thought, Nicky, I agree
death of ideas == evolution of ideas
disturbance = disruptive technologies
Regulatory change too
or …. Covid
Brexit here in the UK
most excellent question
How things change - new technologies that weren't available before.New regulation that presents barriers to returning to the original way of things.
The evolution to the new/next climax community? The way to not end up at the same place each time?
Evolution is another way to move on to the next climax community
over thousands of years don't adaptations happen e.g. plants that rely on wildfire to start the seed cycle?
What are measures of ecosystem health? Resilience to recurring threats? Amount of resources/slack to speed rebound from shocks and disruption?
as well, in digital ecosystems there is an accelerated rate of change
can hear it
the need for multiple issuers of one type of credential
speciation - zebra mussels in great lakes
Similar barriers - regulation, tarrifs, laws etc.
a Canadian kangaroo would have a very secret pocket for baby kangeroos - privacy by design
Sorry - don't want my last comment to be glib - than you Autumn - so much food for thought and interesting ideas sparked!
Not at all! it was great to be here
Thanks so much Autumn, great talk
Judith Fleenor (Trust Over IP)
NO need to stop recording, unless someone asks