Yes, both!

So much more power with DA’s than I ever knew

Another great resource for that kind of learning is Kristin William’s Our Enemies in Blue

Police roots in militias who served as slave catchers

Before reading The New Jim Crow, I assumed that middle class Black people were as aware of police corruption as poor Black people. I also assumed that corruption was something isolated to problem departments LA, Chicago, New Orleans, and not endemic

I grew up (white, Jewish) believing that the PURPOSE of the police was stop protect everybody. Now I know that it was designed for something else entirely, and that explains the systemic inequities.

I was aware that mass incarceration was a huge social problem, but didn't know how heavily funded or how lucrative of a "business" it was. (I've seen 13th, haven't read New Jim Crow yet)

Before seeing “13” twice, I had not remember the exclusion clause. I now understand how Jim Crow laws allowed for policing anyone on almost any pretext.

I knew i didn't like the police for a myriad of reasons, but i had no idea exactly how prison and policing are such direct extensions and continuations of the slave state. .

Understand more deeply how many layers to it all, and how critical it will be to build broadly to challenge.

I learned just how pervasive injustice is, at all levels of the system

I have not read or seen either, but coming from a working class immigrant family that has experienced police violence, the writing is on the wall!

Now see more clearly that historically and now policing is state/ government sanctioned enforced.

I hadn’t understood the extent to which communities of color are over-policed in comparison to white communities.

Technical question: Andrea, can you use video so we can see you?

Andrea's camera is not working.

Was the plantation justice derived by the Barbados Slave Code

is Andrea's voice coming in and out for everyone?

OK I see that this is different. Got it.

@Robyn I’m getting audio pops and stutters too. Also, hi!

I’m not having any audio issues.

be sure you’re not too close to the mic

Is this webinar being recorded so that others can view it?

Yes it is.

Yes. This is being recorded, and will be available.

Makes me think about how as neighborhoods in Oakland gentrify, the newer residents have called police to report choir practices in Black churches that are too loud, disruptive. SMH

During this time, how was crime by whites handled? Was there any system of investigation or law enforcement?

Reminds me of policing at schools, how in some schools with a lot of police and surveillance and with more students of color - students aren’t allowed to leave classrooms without passes, couldn’t go to bathrooms without passes, and students could be arrested for being late for school, not being in school (I’ve heard of this happening in Los Angeles a lot)

Resistance!

Dissertation intro re-write needed. Thank you. Totally fell for the Sir Robert Peel story as the whole story.

surveillance of Black neighborhoods by police cameras and patrols

We'll send out a resource list with lots of this history with the recording

thank you

Angela Davis also has a chapter in her book Are Prisons Obsolete that talks about the gendered nature of incarceration!

Curren prison labour!

Playing golf too slow

Being on the wine train

maybe even moreso

Self-imprisonment: Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl, in her attic, in men's clothing. More empowering than imrisonment by the system . . . . .

I recently read McGuire book which I found heartbreaking and horrific. We lived in total innocence during the civil rights movement. We knew none of this.

brb

Routing interstates through low-income and African American neighborhoods?

“We” being well-meaning white women.

Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz :-)

Laws throughout the centuries re “cross dressing” etc and raiding of gay bars in the modern era and current profiling of (especially Black) trans women as sex workers

Much of this in your book.

tormentors of ??

formenters

fomentors of disturbance

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YES. Thank you!

‘Kill the “savage”…’ here in California where the state was involved in genocide of indigenous peoples

wow

Cf. "civilize" and "Christianize"

I understood that she was hit in the head by an auger weight but I wouldn’t be surprised if the information in the state / federal funded museum to here here on the Eastern shore may not be completely acurrate

(advance the slides?)

no

good!

nope, i see a group of border agents

still on border patrol

same with me BP

I’m seeing border patrol too

see book now

Got it now

OK that’s too easy

So in a way this is all about supporting aggressive capitalism and the preservation of a wealthy aristocracy.

all tied to christian hegemony as well

Yes.

Criminalization of homelessness

“ugly laws”?

Continued criminalization of so called ‘vagrancy’, loitering, begging, homelessness.

Hold on - still on conquistadores

Slides stuck on riot photo

which book speaks on this?

white women that dressed as men were beaten and raped.Lets not cover that over please

can you read the subtitle of Arresting Dress?

and author

true

Not quite yet

Still on Arresting Dress

ok I think we're caught up.

I recall that, in the American South of the 50s+, white men of power and privilege crossdressed, displaying, e.g., large breasts, in public performances to much applause. Now it feels like blackface,

can save this question for the end if time: am thinking about the criminalization of parenthood and child protective services - any resources to read more about this?

we're only getting audio

yes, we know. we appreciate your patience.

Thanks so much for your patience everyone!

We can send video link out after too!

It was based on one small study on car theft. The Atlantic article introduced the broken windows as “concept” — nothing but a convenient metaphor (about broken windows on building) run amuck

Completely evidence-free

Offer meals to people experiencing homelessness

Will the recording include the slides?

Courts ignore statistics or any evidence of systemic or structural oppression - they are only interested in one bad actor who is explicitly racially abusive. BTW Molly Crabapple also has a feature on War on Drugs and militarization, narrated by JayZ

Patienty listening and enriched! Thank you!

what are the alternatives to the police in domestic violence situations? I was hoping to hear more about that rather than the history which we’ve been learning about.But,what alternatives?

Black women experiencing violence when asking about their rights in traffic stops e.g. Sandra Bland

Re: sex work: some folks, especially black transfem folks, have been arrested because they had condoms in their possession - they used this as evidence of intent to participate in sex work

yep

coffee with cops

Training in police legitimacy

This is on our resource list! Really great resource.

Do you have any knowledge of how our policing is similar or not to Western Europe, in particular England? Just wondering how closely they track despite not having slavery on their home territory.

@ Kris - critical resistance has a substantial historical timeline of policing that is connected to some European “policing"

Also there was no nieghborhood watch in that neighbourhood

Thanks - I was just thinking that policing in Europe was connected to sustaining the white aristocracy and money, and to their innate racism.

is it ok to say here that cop watching / monitoring police behavior is the main thing we need community policing for at this point

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1st Scenario: Break-ins in your neighborhood.2nd Scenario: you witness domestic violence3rd Scenario: impending sexual assaulthow do you respond without involving police

we'll send the link to the resource list out wtih the call recording.

and also that list is here (I'm about to add a bunch of stuff that Andrea spoke about):https://drive.google.com/open?id=15Kwfd0JDSOh32t8d_4HKdWmvnu9Psy2FqyoJ978z50I

In the case of DV and SA, get a group to surround the victim, protecting them and signaling to the perpetrator that it’s not ok.

Nieghbourhood meetings and restorative justice practices as well as economic development and addressing poverty and homelessness - sorry to be so broad.

possibility-community coffee claches with women neighbors protecting one another in groups? women neighbors in my old neighborhood apartment building usually intervened together.Usually drove off abuser-but if drunk and already physically violent-too scary and dangerous

3rd scenario: I often imagine myself approaching the person who is drunk and ask if they are ok? I’m often scared to do this, but if I was with more people, maybe it would be less scary!

Hold men (vast majority of perpetrators) accountable for reining in their violent friends.

2nd scenario: Hopefully when talking to the person who was hitting the other person, asking them about what happened, say that I was worried, ask if the other person is ok?

1st scenario: Wow, what a great opportunity to build a neighborhood. All three suggestions for ways to approach the problem should be implemented, eventually. For me, one important thing is PROCESS. How to go about it all?

For DV/SA, meet separately with each person to discuss what's been happening and how it relates to patterns within the relationship. Have a discussion with the person primarily experiencing violence about what they want and how they want their partner held accountable.

Real training - from Critical Resistance for community members

police culture teaches us NOT to talk to one another but to fear each other

with the break-ins: try to assess what your community is missing in terms of resources. is there nowhere to get free food? clothing? medication? maybe assess what's been taken during the break-ins and try to fill gaps in community resources.with both of the latter two, gather a group as quickly as you can to handle the situation in the immediate present, and afterward see if both parties need medical or psychological help - including the perpetrator, because they may need tools to better themselves as a person and stop doing whatever it is that theyre doing

Know your neighbors!

Z! Given the time I think I'm going to do quick "surj is owrking on this everywhere" and then do the fundraising pitch. sound ok?

great. also everyone can see this apparently, ha!

Another student researcher told me that SWAT teams are now deployed for CPS related calls

You can buy Andrea’s great book here: http://invisiblenomorebook.com

If you will please pardon my informal language — all the snaps to you and SURJ for this highly illuminating webinar

Another call coming up: SURJ Network call on Organizing Against PolicingTuesday February 5th 8 PM ET / 7 CT / 6 MT / 5 PTThis is a call for folks within the SURJ network who are doing work around policing or wanting to get started in this work.Register here:https://zoom.us/meeting/register/fe75b45e6204c6634ac87b605f06faf5

glad you brought up social services and sw

Brilliant lecture. Thank you!!

I second what Karen said! Thank you so much!!

thanks for everything!

Thank y’all

thank you so much, this was so informative and helpful!! (im doing my undergrad thesis on incarcerated trans sex workers, so the sources on the history of policing of trans folks and sex workers was super helpful!)

Looking forward to the next one!

Will we get a copy of the Chat? I tried to copy and paste it but failed :-(.

https://secure.actblue.com/donate/m4bl-surj

thank you!

Thank you!

One love!

Thank you!

two other future callsFeb 26th call on Anti-Semitism with JFREJ 8 ETMarch 13th Call on Racial Capitalism with Robin DG Kelley 8 ET

Thank you!!

thank you

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Thanks so much!!!

Thank you so much and good night!

So great!!

Good night to you and thanks so much to all who put it on!