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Blue Hill Ave Transportation Action Plan Update - Shared screen with speaker view
Alexandre Renaud
40:46
Matt’s Email: matthew.moran@boston.gov
Alexandre Renaud
42:18
Presentation (Kreyól): https://www.boston.gov/sites/default/files/file/2020/09/Blue%20Hill%20Avenue%20Virtual%20Meeting-%20Presentation%20for%20Translation.pdf
Dustin Gardner
42:35
Good evening all! Dustin Gardner from City Councilor Andrea Campbell’s Office here
Grace Pattarini
42:53
Presentation(Spanish) https://drive.google.com/file/d/15fw2LS0DgDVL0WFiJoiKiTNvKxbVvKgr/view
Danny Hutchins (President Janey's Office)
44:02
Hello everyone! Danny Hutchins here representing Boston City Council President Janey. Happy to be here.
EVAN TAN
44:12
How you doing Danny!
Alicia | Councilor Flaherty
44:19
Hi everyone, this is Alicia from Councilor Flaherty’s office. I’m available at 617-635-4205, or Alicia.Payne@Boston.gov. Thanks!
Brianna Millor
45:25
Hi all Brianna Millor from Michelle Wu’s office
Brianna Millor
45:40
Brianna.millor@boston.gov 6176353115
Danny Hutchins (President Janey's Office)
46:55
Contact info for Danny from President Janey’s Office - daniel.hutchins@boston.gov. Thanks!
Maribel Pintado Espiet
47:59
Se puede comenzar a escuchar la interpretacion
Maribel Pintado Espiet
48:05
Cambien de canal
Kenya Beaman
49:01
May I recommend all resident attendees take a photo (if able) of this side for the office hours.
Louis Elisa
50:00
Big meeting and inportant issue as we have been at this for more than a year and a half and they have yet to provide the background data and information requested to validate or justify t he proposed changes which do not necessaraly make positive changes to the community.
Mike Kozu
53:31
if you are coordinating with dnd why did both of you have meetings tonight about blue hill ave are you trying todiffuse community participaton
Katherine
54:02
^^^^^^^^^ This!!!
Louis Elisa
54:29
Matt, will you be presenting any of the informatin on surveys we requested in regards to impacts on the residents and businesses that are in the proposed areas of change? Did you get a survey of of the impacts of removing parking along the Avenue and what impacts it would have on the small businesses that depend on car traffic and parking. While end route t ransit business may do well, from propsed designs, what will be the impacts on small businesses along the way in non bus stop areas? Have you done any calculations as to the impacts of the slow down of t raffic and what what it will contribute to Carbon monoxide distributios in the homes along the rout?
Katherine
54:45
Hard to believe the intention is for community to have a voice given the timing of this meeting competing with another important 1, as Mr. Kozu pointed out
Louis Elisa
56:14
What work have you done to determin the origion of vehical traffic which utilize the Avenue during rush hour and what will the impact be on Boston residents that are not essentually the challenge for traffic along the Ave?
Rosa Herrero
57:13
For more info about PLAN: Mattapan here is the website bit.ly/PlanMattapan
Louis Elisa
58:05
What changes will take place to provide BETTER transportation in terms of bus utilization especially given that the rality of this pandemic is making it more difficualt for busses to accomodate more passangers?
Lee Toma
58:13
The Town of Milton will soon remove two lanes from Route 28 (Brook Road) which should help reduce speeds and potentially reduce thru traffic coming in from points south.
Kenya Beaman
58:48
Kenya Beaman, Community Engagement Manager, BPDA, PLAN: Mattapan, KENYA.P.BEAMAN@BOSTON.GOV
Katherine
59:22
Will town of Milton be contributing to this overhaul given their residents' use of BHA corridor (& higher tax base / overall SES)?
hillmonb
59:54
You did not mention moving the two statues. I assume that they will be moved with care and I suggest using this time to improve the area in which they stand. (Too many items that obstruct the view of the statues).
Louis Elisa
01:00:03
Where can we find the data that addresses health and traffic slow down impacts on the health of the community? Where is the data on the proposed improvement to bus circulation patterns and street maintenance especially in inclement weather especially snow?
Ilias Benmokrane
01:00:39
Where will the crosswalks work on the median BRT lanes?
EVAN TAN
01:01:04
I agree, how will that work and where?
Louis Elisa
01:01:19
Where is the tree plaining and maintence scheduel that will help absorbe the increased carbon and other pollutions that will be disbursed within the community as a result of the change in movement and passing through of vehicles?
Mike Kozu
01:01:22
twp of these five slides are on blue hill ave between warren st and Dudley st
EVAN TAN
01:02:07
Will the construction heavily affect normal day-to-day operations?
Ilias Benmokrane
01:02:24
Good question Mister Tan.
EVAN TAN
01:03:01
Thank you.
Ilias Benmokrane
01:03:08
No problem.
Linda Freeman/Boston
01:03:36
so called reducing traffic or slowing traffic down m e a n s travel time will increase considering the fact that the incentive to purchase new vehicles,rid the older hoopty was an incentivized stimulus several years ago to save auto industry...
Louis Elisa
01:04:05
Beyond talking about improvement of the Avenue what actually and practically are you doing and promising will be done? All of this is good but unless you are working with DOT to guarentee maintenance and support for all of these ideas then it will amount to little more than you making contracts available for white contractors to come into the community, make a lot of money and get out.
Russell's iPhone
01:05:33
I never hear anyone ever address fluidity of traffic. Everything is about slowing traffic down. How slow do you want to go? It already takes 35-45 min to get from Dudley St. to Mattapan Sq.... That’s inexcusable
Brianna Millor
01:06:19
Can someone drop a link to the presentation or where it will live?
Fatima Ali-Salaam, GMNC
01:07:14
Beginning at around 3 pm, I rode the #28 yesterday from Ruggles Station to Mattapan Sq. I got to the stop at MCHC at 4:05 pm
Louis Elisa
01:07:28
Unless you have a working plan and program to improve the bus access and programing then you have NOTHING that will imporve the quality of life for elders especially as you allow DOT to cut services on 'Saturday and Sunday. Our community is under served by DOT and the city of boston in regards to cleaning, sanitation, maintenance and support in and along the routes for which you are giving all of this discussion.
EVAN TAN
01:08:00
Hmmmmmm
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:08:20
@Louis Elisa - TRUE!
Louis Elisa
01:08:56
Please be honest and tell us from where the traffic originates and where does it terminate. Again,, the changes you are proposing will not have much if any impacts on the community which you will be impactin. The traffic demands for Blue Hill Avenue is from outside of the CITY!!!
kit binns
01:09:35
I’m troubled by the car-centric perspective of most of these chat comments. Faster bus service should be the first priority. Safety for others - pedestrians and cyclists - should be the next.
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:09:36
What about making it safe for bicylcle riders?
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:09:58
@Kit - YES!!!!
Allentza Michel (she/hers)
01:10:22
They
Mike O.
01:10:24
Strong affirmation for this forward looking perspective inclusive of biking and pedestrians and rapid mass transit, moving away from cars
Louis Elisa
01:10:28
Who did livable streets talk with? Did they speak with the business owners on the Avenue, what are their names and where is there respoonse?
Mike Kozu
01:10:29
how are your proposals will impact the grove hall neighborhood your past proposals would have substantially divided one side of Grove Hall from the other side of bha
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:10:48
^ 2nd this question!!!!
Russell's iPhone
01:10:57
I saw that the redesign plan calls for a dedicated bike lane from Grove Hall to Mattapan Sq. That’s ludicrous... Does anybody monitor the usage of the existing bike lanes? The ones I see on Morton St. and that ridiculous one on Cummins Highway get used VERY infrequently.
Adam Pieniazek
01:11:10
Just want to give perspective from a cyclist, many of the times I'm on Blue Hill Ave I'm either pedaling furiously for my life on the southern half or passing hundreds of cars that are barely moving on the Northern half. I go from being terrified to be on a bicycle to being the fastest vehicle on the road!
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:11:26
^same
Shauna Rigaud
01:11:34
My car was in two accidents on Blue Hill Ave….parked. LOL
Alex Frieden
01:11:44
Agreed, can echo Adam’s experience every time!
Annie Osborn
01:11:46
Same experience as a cyclist on BHA
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:11:46
I bike EVERYDAY, originating in Grove Hall neighborhood
Adam Pieniazek
01:12:05
Also note, bike lanes often seem empty because bicycles are efficient. You don't get into many traffic jams of bikes!
Mike O.
01:12:16
^^exactly!
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:12:19
^yup!!!!
Sarah Freeman
01:12:26
If safe bike facilities are provided, many more people would be willing to use them.
kit binns
01:12:27
It’s a speedway as cars rush to stop at the next light.
Louis Elisa
01:12:36
Hey Adam, how many of your fellow bikers are using the Avenue.. How many do you think will use the avenue in relationship to the number of cars?
Fatima Ali-Salaam, GMNC
01:12:47
Most traffic comes from those who are not from Mattapan, Dorchester nor Roxbury. I begin at Mattapan Sq (#28 bus); try rig=ding tat bus, and watch te traffic coming from Milton/Canton/Randolph/Stoughton
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:12:56
Im on BHA *everyday*
Adam Pieniazek
01:13:54
And should note most of the time I'm on BHA it's to visit business on BHA. @Louis I know many cyclists use BHA today, it's often tough for a driver to even see us because drivers are either in traffic or speeding very fast.
Mike O.
01:14:05
I live right near the intersection of Warren and BHA and bike every day nearly although choose routes more conducive to safety and proud GTNA member Louisa! Cosign to the cyclists comments
Allentza Michel (she/hers)
01:14:10
It's my understanding that another meeting is happening right now regarding B3 parcel on Blue Hill Ave, a target under the this action plan we're discussing right now. Can someone confirm if that meeting was cancelled, and then explain why two meetings were scheduled at the same in the first place?
Shavel'le
01:14:12
I live in Mattapan and as some now does not own a car but uses the other modes of transportation - I would use the bike lane more if it was protected. I scared to bike on BHA
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:14:13
re: Fatima's point, will Milton/Canton/Randolph/Stoughton be contributing funds to this effort, given their residents' use of this corridor???
Adam Pieniazek
01:14:26
But critically, Blue Hill Avenue is an intimidating place to bike! Making it protected and safe will encourage more people to bike instead of drive, that's good for everyone!
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:14:34
@Allentza - EXACTLY!!!
Russell's iPhone
01:14:49
The bike lane near my house on Cummins Highway gets used, but not enough to justify it being there. Did anyone see the video of traffic backed up from Itasca St to River St because they were stuck behind a trash truck
Fatima Ali-Salaam, GMNC
01:14:52
The B3 Parcel meeting is still happening; there are a total of 10 persons there; 5 are DND employees.
Jonathan Foster-Moore
01:15:07
@Adam yes!
Fatima Ali-Salaam, GMNC
01:15:23
They are having technical difficulties as it uses the webEx platform.
kit binns
01:15:26
Re: why are there not more cyclists? Because it is terrifying. I do so only because I’m a crazy old man
Mike Kozu
01:15:35
several of us would have been at the dnd meeting but we had to come to this
Annie Osborn
01:15:48
^yep
Alex Frieden
01:16:16
Re: why there are not more cyclists, we don’t build bridges based on how many people are swimming across the Charles
Allentza Michel (she/hers)
01:16:23
Thanks Mike. How did two meetings get scheduled on the same day at the same time?
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:16:23
re: Russel's comment / bike use, I 2nd what Kit said ...
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:16:34
those of us who bike *risk our lives everyday!!!!*
Louis Elisa
01:17:26
We have continueously asked for a comprehensive study of bike use and for traffic counts as it would make sense not to negatively impact the effecient flow of traffic to accomodate a very insignificant number of bike users who by the way will not be making much use of the space during the many winter months and especially given the cities poor maintenance and management of public roads when it snows. It has not imporved in 25 years and there is not special reason to believe it will get better over the next few years given the cities attitued towards the residents of the community.
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:17:38
Ditto what Mike Kozu said ... I'm FURIOUS I had to choose between these 2 simultaneously scheduled meetings #NotADemocraticProcess
Shavel'le
01:18:01
oh! I didn’t know this project was still happening
Linda Freeman/Boston
01:18:13
Thank you MIKE ! Tell it like it is ....
Kristine A.
01:18:17
I don't ride on major streets so I can stay safe
Adam Pieniazek
01:18:19
But there's quite a few bicyclists chatting right here^
Fatima Ali-Salaam, GMNC
01:18:47
Can you please put te link to the RFP in the Chat.
Mike O.
01:18:49
Louisa, I encourage a forward looking vision for what we COULD do with cyclists IF we provided them the resources and tools. It helps with everything everyone wants particularly, safer and quicker mobility.
Linda Freeman/Boston
01:18:57
@ Louis Elisa.... Thank you, ALSO!
Russell's iPhone
01:19:07
For the record, I also use a bicycle DAILY!!... I don’t feel there’s a need to make traffic worse for the sake of a bike lane that won’t get used enough to justify it being there, and who’s policing the bicyclists?? Aren’t they supposed to follow traffic rules??
Lee Toma
01:19:10
Traffic coming in to Mattapan in the morning is largely from the Route 128 area. MassDOT data (pre-COVID) shows that 60,000 people come in from the highway and much of that goes through Milton and Mattapan Square. Milton residents don't like that either, and having both projects to discourage this through traffic would benefit both communities.
Shavel'le
01:20:08
@Lee - Thank you for that information!
Barbara Crichlow
01:20:20
There NO benches or shelters along the entire length of Morton Street. It has been a request since July 17, 2007 when the commuter rail opened.
kit binns
01:20:29
More to the point: you can’t determine what bike use would be based on current use. But I repeat, bus service should be the first priority, followed by bikes, then cars (the latter two being how I use BHA)
Mike Kozu
01:21:00
eliminating the media strip will impact seniors and young families being able to cross the street, this is a 28x repeat and not addressing the issues raised previously
Kenya Beaman
01:21:08
My understanding, by time it was discovered this meeting and DND's B3 Parcel was on the same day, information had already gone out about both. It wasn't intentional.
Denise DosSantos
01:21:44
Two concerns: 1. Making sure these areas are maintained and cleaned once things are in place. 2. Cars that will be double parked, that will cause a huge amount of tragic on both sides on the street, seeing it will be one lane.
Jacob Wessel
01:21:56
Here is the Call for Artists for an artist or artists to paint a mural on the wall adjacent to the plaza by Flames in Grove Hall: https://www.boston.gov/news/artists-sought-blue-hill-avenue-grove-hall-mural
Adam Pieniazek
01:21:58
Agree fully with kit binns that busses must be the priority for BHA. As the data showed more than half of BHA users as is today use the bus, with busses prioritized that use would increase.
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:22:20
ditto this ^^^^
Shauna Rigaud
01:22:23
Agree @denise
kit binns
01:22:26
Double-parking is already the standard. Maybe dropping a lane would help
Fatima Ali-Salaam, GMNC
01:22:30
What about the trees that are in the median beginning at Balsam St
Eva SKinner
01:22:32
how will the traffic be controlled going down to one lane?
Russell's iPhone
01:22:34
How about adjusting the traffic lights? Having a light turn green, but you can’t go anywhere because the next light is red doesn’t help anybody’s cause
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:22:51
^^ ditto ...
Shauna Rigaud
01:22:53
The end of double parking on the Ave is a whole culture shift…
aaron.tetzlaff
01:22:54
"If you plan cities for cars and traffic, you get cars and traffic. If you plan cities for people and places, you get people and places" - I think the issue here is cyclists don't feel safe, and we need to make more equitable, safe roadways for everyone. Blue Hill Ave is a high impact corridor and deserves the love, and access for everyone.
Adam Pieniazek
01:22:55
Unlike Comm Ave where trees were moved to keep the bike lane straight, if a tree is in the way simply curve the bike lane. Makes for a more interesting streetscape and preserves the tree!
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:22:58
time the traffice lights, like NYC
Barbara Crichlow
01:23:08
How will the commuters get to the bus that's in the median of BHA. And if trees are not being removed where will the bus travel?
Angelica Arnoux
01:23:14
Did we get the federal money to move forward with this plan?
Adam Pieniazek
01:23:50
Angelica we did not :(
Louis Elisa
01:24:22
At the point that cycleist begin to adhear to the same rules of the road as everyone else, they will most certainly have a lot less problems. There is room to share the road but there is also a responsibality for cyclest to go their job in keeping themselves safe by their following of the rules for safety and mobility. You may want to inform your fellow cyclest to wear safety gear and to use lights and observe lights and take care as passing cars on the right that maybe turning is always a challenge even for other cars
CG
01:24:24
It would be nice to see how many people, who live in this community, are for making these changes opposed to those who do not think this is the best option.
Angelica Arnoux
01:24:25
Thank you Adam. Then how will this plan move forward
Liana Poston (Office of Rep. Malia)
01:24:28
@Louis: Traffic counts are great and necessary, but don't account for people like me, who are used to bike commuting but choose not to bike BHA because it currently feels like a death trap as currently configured.
Adam Pieniazek
01:24:29
But hear they are looking at other funding sources [ maybe they shouldn't build the wicked expensive nonsensical bridge in the seaport and they can fund Blue Hill Ave ]
Fatima Ali-Salaam, GMNC
01:24:32
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-federal-government-rejected-funding-for-a-major-blue-hill-avenue-bus-project-now-what/ar-BB19tNbd
Mike Kozu
01:25:41
how would you protect the trees in the medium in grove hall and have the middle still used to bus lanes, the gghms design is unsafe especially during the winter for the medium strip with snow
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:25:41
Re: bike lanes, protected lanes, like Mass Ave near Symphony
Louis Elisa
01:26:34
Maintenance for trees throughout the project is my point. CONTINUEOUS maintenance and support of greenery for the life of the Avenue is what we need and demand as you begin to talk about changes. What will be the history in comparrison to the present practice by the city and public facilites, tracking and parks???
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:26:50
OR (re: Adam's suggestion?) curve bike lanes around trees in the center medium IF there's a committment to clear them (per Mike Cozu's concern)
Fatima Ali-Salaam, GMNC
01:27:10
https://www.boston.gov/news/city-boston-seeks-partner-design-first-urban-forest-plan
Mike Kozu
01:27:43
what sections of blue hill ave, in grove hall we have several apartment buildings, resident parking doesn't work since a wide variety of people can apply for it rather than the immediate residents
Barbara Crichlow
01:27:46
Mike yoy're asking the same questions we asked during 28X and still got no answer.
Adam Pieniazek
01:27:48
The Northern Ave bridge is $125 million Blue Hill Ave is estimated to cost $25 million. We should fund Blue Hill Ave with the Northern Ave money because that bridge is way over-designed
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:28:14
^ ditto!!!!
David Wean
01:28:22
(re enforcement of / adherence to traffic rules by people who ride bikes). There is little adherence by people who drive cars to speed limits, parking or traffic signals when the lights first turn red. By that logic we should not have accommodation for private motor vehicles!
Adam Pieniazek
01:29:26
Yeah, spend a few minutes at any of the speedometer digital signs and watch how 90+% of drivers speed, often excessively.
Russell's iPhone
01:29:37
I can tell 2 stories of cyclists getting killed in Cambridge in 2015. Each time, they were in the bike lane, and each time the driver WAS NOT charged because it was determined that the driver wasn’t at fault. Bike lanes create a false sense of security for people riding with headphones in their ears and their phones in their face..... One of the cyclists got hit on the corner of Mass Ave and Beacon St... As a result, they added Jersey barriers were added to the third lane to take a right turn. Now traffic is backed up across the Mass Ave bridge all of the time
Louis Elisa
01:29:38
The parking on Columbus avenure on the other side of North Eastern has made the idea of parking in the center strip one of the dummest ideas that anyone has ever seen. Busses, Trucks and other large vehicles find it impossible to turn on to the street and to pass by those trucks off loading so how do you think its going to work on the Ave where the demands are so much higer.
VALERIE BURTON
01:29:49
Can you provide an example of where this design is successful.
Shavel'le
01:31:54
complete streets!
Linda Freeman/Boston
01:31:58
Synchronizing the timing of lights along BHA must NOT CREATE An Already Bottle-neck in GROVE HALL, ETC.
Shauna Rigaud
01:31:58
Bringing this conversation into the schools to better engage parents and students is a great idea
Fatima Ali-Salaam, GMNC
01:31:58
Well said Katherine
Mike Kozu
01:32:38
why two city meetings on bluehill ave at same day same time
Barbara Crichlow
01:33:17
You know why, divide an conquer
Ann McHugh
01:34:05
yes, to Katherine’s point on de-silo-ing, engaging the youth and making meeting times accessible.
Liana Poston (Office of Rep. Malia)
01:34:49
Sorry, audio issues on my end.
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:35:11
@Barbara, EXACTLY!!
PowellTH
01:35:13
Hi, I have a question
Annie Osborn
01:36:18
Really well said, Connie
Russell's iPhone
01:36:29
Very well said, Connie
Linda Freeman/Boston
01:36:37
Cummins Hwy with the addition of protected bike lane increases non-safety for motorist & passengers. And yes trucks unloading doesn't help either...
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:36:40
@Connie, agreed - integrated solution, *prioritizing ENVIRONMENTALLY friendly solutions*
Angelica Arnoux
01:36:52
The green line is a nightmare
Mike Kozu
01:36:57
that is not very safe for seniors and young families with strolle
Mike O.
01:38:27
+1000 to Connie's advocacy for a comprehensive approach. A safer cycling experience complements reduced traffic and quicker times, helpful for cars and buses which the data affirms as the priority with 52% of riders on BHA.
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:38:33
Redistribute funds taken in from commuters from more affluent communities to minority-owned businesses along the BHA corridor
Allentza Michel (she/hers)
01:38:59
I have a question but am unable to raise my hand.
Mike Kozu
01:39:21
since 28 x process ten years ago
Alexandre Renaud
01:39:45
We have made note of that Allentza. Thank you!
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:40:26
Redistribute tax-based funds taken from more affluent communities which have commuters who use BHA to minority-owned businesses along the BHA corridor who are adversely affected by construction, etc
VALERIE BURTON
01:40:31
The design that works on Huntington Ave and Commonwealth Ave can't compare to the high volume , residential and congested space on Blue Hill Ave.
Barbara Crichlow
01:40:39
Mike we've been asking and still no answer. SO they propose it again and we ask, again.
Mike Kozu
01:41:05
the mbta buses will pass groups of students waiting at bus stops along bha
Adam Pieniazek
01:41:11
Same here as Allentza, is there a specific person to chat if you want to ask a question (Alexandre?)?
Allentza Michel (she/hers)
01:42:04
For the record, I clicked on Participants so I can raise my hand, but the feature is not there. That's why I noted it here in the chat.
Alexandre Renaud
01:42:06
If you would like to ask a question, please make note of it In the chat and we will make note of it to get to you.
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:42:31
Thank you, Mr. Elisa, for speaking up <3
Annie Osborn
01:42:40
^^^
Mike Kozu
01:45:00
we don't want bha to look like Washington st in the south end between melnea cass and Blackstone school where it is impossible for seniors and young families to cross the street
Sarah Freeman
01:45:07
Food for thought: "It Shouldn’t Cost 31x More To Take Transit Than Park" https://usa.streetsblog.org/2020/09/24/op-ed-it-shouldnt-cost-31x-more-to-take-transit-than-park/
Connie F
01:46:46
Allentza spot on... great questions. Thank you!
VALERIE BURTON
01:47:12
Well said Allentza,
Vincent Guerra
01:47:21
Please do not slow down the timeline of this project. These improvements are badly needed.
Barbara Crichlow
01:47:28
You go Allentza speaking the truth.
Mike Kozu
01:47:30
you already submtted the federal proposal that got rejected without addressing our community concerns
Vincent Guerra
01:47:46
The people in this neighborhood deserve quality transit--the project timeline should not be delayed.
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:47:56
Thank you Allentza for your comment
Banita Burgess
01:47:57
thank you Allentza!!
Margaret Cameron
01:48:38
make those meetings public so we can all hear and learn
Allentza Michel (she/hers)
01:49:02
Thank you Vineet and Matt for your responses
Mike Kozu
01:49:05
your plans will substantially impact Grove hall in a negative way, that is why your haste will have such a bad impact
Annie Osborn
01:49:54
Is the data you’ve gathered on BHA use, travel times, etc. broken down by mode all available in a single public place right now? (And if so, can you put the link in the chat?)
Mike Kozu
01:51:51
there is a long stretch without bus stops
Sarah Freeman
01:52:02
Connecting Franklin Park with the Neponset Greenway via bike lanes will be a boon for active transportation! That's good for environmental health (carbon reduction) & public health (physical activity promotion) - as long as it's done safely!
Mike Kozu
01:52:25
you are pushing traffic on side residential streets that are already overcrosded
Grace Pattarini
01:52:46
Here is the link to the Blue Hill Avenue Transportation Action Plan. This is where all follow up information will be posted as well as event notices and project updates such as data collection study results in the future. https://www.boston.gov/departments/transportation/blue-hill-avenue
Sarah Freeman
01:52:46
Glad to hear about the commitment to tree preservation. Echo those concerned about maintenance.
kit binns
01:52:49
It’s not clear to me why some people say having express bus lanes in the median would take away a landing space for pedestrians trying to cross. Can someone explain?
Barbara Crichlow
01:52:49
Too many existing stops are being eliminated. Not a good idea.
Lee Toma
01:53:07
How does this project fit in with the MassDOT Morton Street Intersections project? It looks like there are significant differences in design between the two projects.
Mike Kozu
01:53:13
you are impacting parking by businesses
Doreen Ward
01:53:44
I see a lot of missing parking between Morton and the Fire station and again no parking near Franklin Park. What are people who live along Blue Hill in those areas suppose to do for parking?
Angelica Arnoux
01:54:17
This all means more illegal parking on blue hill
Mike Kozu
01:54:36
there are apartment buildings in that stretch that you are impacting, that is why you scheduled this during the dnd since they are proposing more density without parking
Katherine Jenkins Djom
01:54:43
I have to go prepare to go to our over-crowded, under-funded public schools tomorrow. FYI if anyone wants to demand funding for Ethnic Studies, email the following powerholders: bcassellius@bostonpublicschools.org, azayas@bostonpublicschools.org, clandry@bostonpublicschools.org .... AND thank you to all the fellow community members who spoke up to reflect the reality that this is NOT a democratic process and Rox-Dot-Mattapan deserves better!!!! <3 <3 <3
Eric Burkman (MBTA)
01:55:01
Mike, the distance between the proposed stops at Talbot and Westview is about 1,300 ft. Currently the stops there are about 1,000 ft apart.
Lily Song
01:55:07
what is the purpose of the medians? Are there important existing trees in the middle of the ave? Could we rather bulge out sidewalks on both sides of the street to give that median amount of space to sidewalk/business activities?
Eric Burkman (MBTA)
01:55:32
Lily, where the median is retained it's typically to preserve existing street trees.
Eric Burkman (MBTA)
01:55:57
Barbara, one of the key lessons learned from the 28X proposal was that too many stops were eliminated. This concept includes about twice as many stops as the 28X proposal did.
Mike Kozu
01:56:07
medians are important for seniors and families with young children to cross the street safe;;y
Vincent Guerra
01:56:24
I, for one, do not care about losing parking. :-) I would much rather have good transit and good bike infrastructure.
Doreen Ward
01:56:52
Mr. Guerra do you live on Blue Hill Ave
Eric Burkman (MBTA)
01:56:56
Mike, bus boarding platforms also serve as ADA-accessible pedestrian refuges to make street crossings easier and safer. Boarding platforms are also signalized pedestrian crossings.
Vincent Guerra
01:56:58
I do, yes
Mike Kozu
01:57:32
you don't live in these apartment buildings that are densely populated by fake city policies who they need cars to go anywhere
Mike O.
01:57:59
Boarding platforms in the median especially with signals at street crossings increase access for everyone including ADA accessibility
Vincent Guerra
01:58:10
if we have good transit and good bike infrastructure, we don't need cars.
Barbara Crichlow
01:58:33
Eric doesn't have more stops. And I really want to know where the trees are how will the buses travel? With DND discussing housing there will be a greater need.
kit binns
01:59:42
I’m dropping out too, but I leave feeling that most of the comments here are car-centric, directly or indirectly (concerns about affecting cars and street parking) at the expense of bus users, pedestrians, and cyclists. Is that really the way the surrounding community feels? (I’m from Uphams Corner, so a user not a commuter). If so, I think we will end up with just what we have now. So be it, but be sure that’s what you want.
abbi (bike lanes plz)
01:59:53
bike lanes will make it easier for people to get places by bike and less parking will be needed.
Angelica Arnoux
02:00:35
As much as bike lanes are amazing w/o proper parking those vehicles will be on the bike lanes
kit binns
02:00:43
[hmmmm. Typo above “…so a user not a community member..]
Alex Frieden
02:01:00
I thought there were PVC bollards blocking parking in the bike lane
Vincent Guerra
02:01:01
no, the vehicles will not be on the bike lanes, because they are separated from the street
Katherine Jenkins Djom
02:01:19
@Kit - thanks!
Linda Freeman/Boston
02:01:23
For those who don't have family member with mobility challenges nor have medical apparatus, it's easy for you to access busses when living on a steep incline/decline on side streets along BHA.
Allentza Michel (she/hers)
02:01:41
And a one or two comparable case studies
Vincent Guerra
02:01:44
they are proposing super high-quality infrastructure. I for one, feel super lucky that this project is coming.
CG
02:01:57
This design needs to be beneficial for everyone (cars, buses and bikes) and everyone living in this community.
Eric Burkman (MBTA)
02:02:16
Barbara, you're right that it's not twice as many stops. I apologize! I count 8 pairs of bus stops in the 28X proposal, versus 12 pairs of stops in this concept, so it's 50% more stops than in 28X.
Alexandre Renaud
02:03:21
If anyone needs to drop off, we would appreciate if you are able to answer our Post-Meeting Survey, which is a place where you are able to leave comments as well as suggestions on how the City can better engage with your community. It can be found on the project page here: Boston.gov/blue-hill-ave
Fatima Ali-Salaam, GMNC
02:03:38
Good points Adam!
Louis Elisa
02:04:07
lwho and h ow will cycle lanes be maintained and cleanded?
Mike Kozu
02:04:09
how will you deal with winter issues and protected bike lanes, we can't get grove hall snow plowed in a way consistent that other neighborhoods get plowed
Connie F
02:05:40
1)I hope you are taking into consideration the need of emergency vehicles to travel along this road. Currently there are issues with no place for vehicles to pull over. Please note delays can cost lives. 2) As density increases we typically see more vehicles and the City is increasing density Bostonwide. You will not change the need for having a car by increasing density. 3) Residents who live in the pass through communities are being negatively impacted by greater distance to T stops; loss of parking; and likely increase in pollution as cars are slowed and exhaust increases 4) without parking businesses are going to lose customers -- 33/100 spaces will disappear. More information is needed before moving forward.
Alex Frieden
02:06:15
re: emergency vehicles, I think the idea is they will use the bus lanes.
Adam Pieniazek
02:06:25
10000% drivers licenses are stupid easy to get
Eric Burkman (MBTA)
02:06:50
Connie F and Alex: Yes, typical bus lane projects allow emergency vehicle use of the bus lane to help support improved emergency response times. School buses are also typically allowed to use the bus lanes.
Adam Pieniazek
02:07:20
It's honestly a joke. I drove around the block and backed up, that's it. Then I was legally licensed. Driver's tests need to be difficult so that getting a license means you can actually drive.
Vivian Ortiz
02:07:33
@Russell's iPhone, pre-COVID I rode my bicycle to work in the Financial District from Mattapan every day, including the winter months. I would love to become your bike buddy and show you how to commute by bicycle. thatbikelady@gmail.com
Patrick Hoey, BTD
02:07:41
Some good news on signals... we have new signals coming on line from Morton to Nubian Square along BHA and Warren Street. Completion mid November
Carmel Levy (he/him)
02:08:14
@vivian <3
Mike Kozu
02:08:35
your timing will impact traffic on cross streets like Columbia road where it takes forever to cross bha
Katherine Jenkins Djom
02:08:39
@Vivian Ortiz - <3 your outreach ... I"m a biike commuter too, including in winter months
Annie Osborn
02:08:50
I’d like to second Russell and Mike’s questions about snow removal
Vivian Girard
02:09:07
In response to Russell's comment; Prioritizing safe, affordable, green and efficient transportation (i.e. biking) is not ridiculous; it's the future :)
Patrick Hoey, BTD
02:09:14
PWD has machines that fit in bike lanes now.
Mike O.
02:09:41
thank you for noting the positive impact of the bus lane in addressing the concerns as collected through the process it sounds like. Emergency vehicles can get through more quickly through the express lane dedicated for buses. Prioritizing the 52% of riders on the bus helps tremendously just in that plus these additional benefits for others.
Katherine Jenkins Djom
02:10:34
@Patrick Hoey, what's PWD?
Kenya Beaman
02:10:37
Snow removal in Mattapan, Dorchester and I suspect Roxbury as well has been improved a great deal. That is something I cannot complain about.
Patrick Hoey, BTD
02:10:51
Sorry! Public Works Department
Lee Toma
02:10:57
To Sarah's point, the state is working on plans to install a shared use path along Route 138 connecting from Mattapan Square through Milton and Canton and into Stoughton.
Katherine Jenkins Djom
02:10:57
^thanks
Eric Burkman (MBTA)
02:11:00
Connie F (regarding #2 above): By improving transit and bike we might encourage people on the corridor, particularly new community members, to not bring a car in the first place. This can improve traffic for everybody by densifying the roadway use ahead of densifying the land use.
Allentza Michel (she/hers)
02:11:41
And MassDOT's RDM study from 2013
Allentza Michel (she/hers)
02:11:58
RDM = Roxbury, Dorchester, Mattapan
Patrick Hoey, BTD
02:12:42
Thank you for pointing that out Allentza!
Annie Osborn
02:12:46
I think part of the issue with improving traffic is that to a certain extent, we’re maxed out on cars. Even perfecting traffic signal timings and eking out more capacity isn’t going to be able to reduce traffic because we’re car-saturated. Making it safer to take the T isn’t just good for the 52% of people who use it as a primary mode of transportation, it’s also allows drivers to shift away from driving, which can pretty much only get slower and not faster.
Annie Osborn
02:13:27
(This is not a comment about this particular plan’s layout, just a general issue about traffic in Boston.)
Katherine Jenkins Djom
02:13:29
YES Barbara!!! #StopTheSilos !
Annie Osborn
02:14:03
Hopefully suburban commuting will be down after COVID as people stay working from home…maybe that’ll help
Fatima Ali-Salaam, GMNC
02:14:20
no more overlapping meetings please.
Katherine Jenkins Djom
02:14:37
^ditto!
Mike O.
02:14:43
To the point about being maxed out on cars and concerns about parking impacting businesses, appealing to that, what about all the potential patrons lost because of the hassle of driving? Imagine a world in which biking and public transit added to options for so many more people to travel to the area v. limiting to just drivers.
Patrick Hoey, BTD
02:14:51
The traffic signals can be adapted for transit signal priority as well since we'll have interconnect
Fatima Ali-Salaam, GMNC
02:14:56
The ten (10) parcels discussed tonight at that meeting are part of this design.
Fatima Ali-Salaam, GMNC
02:15:22
Thee are thirty (30) parcels in total in the DND disposition
Linda Freeman/Boston
02:15:31
Most young families of 4+ need a car. Consider factors of one child in one school, other child @ another school due to Special Need Services accommodations or going to appointments.
Kenya Beaman
02:15:49
Unmute me
Eric Burkman (MBTA)
02:16:08
Barbara: Some of the key lessons we learned from the 28X proposal, which we tried to address in this concept include:- More bus stops, with closer spacing;- Keep all existing trees, and try to add more;- Retain as much parking as possible;- Improve pedestrian and bike conditions; and,- Start with public process and community engagement before making project decisions.
Annie Osborn
02:16:32
Oh absolutely I don’t mean to imply people don’t need cars. But there *are* many people who live alone, are able to live without a car, etc., and getting them into different modes of transit would make it much better for those who do need a car (families, mobility limited, people working jobs at times when the MBTA doesn’t run enough, etc.)
Annie Osborn
02:17:32
If those who didn’t need to drive took the T or rode bikes, those who did would face way less traffic and there would be better access for emergency vehicles
VALERIE BURTON
02:17:44
Exactly!
Eric Burkman (MBTA)
02:18:00
Linda: Annie's response is exactly what I would have responded to your comment!
Lee Toma
02:18:24
Has the city looked at whether having more people taking the buses (because they will be faster) would benefit local businesses by offsetting the loss of parking spaces?
Katherine Jenkins Djom
02:18:46
The prioritization of needs should be a hybrid of 1) honoring needs of already marginalized demographic groups from these communities, who are already facing gentrification, COVID-induced evictions & *other forms of systemic racism* + 2) environmental concerns ...
Russell's iPhone
02:19:03
THANK YOU, Mike!!
Linda Freeman/Boston
02:19:06
GROVE HALL NEEDS A YOUTH CENTER..
Russell's iPhone
02:19:14
You hit the nail on the head!!
Annie Osborn
02:19:15
Absolutely agree, Katherine.
Katherine Jenkins Djom
02:19:18
Yes, Mike Kozu, thank you
Russell's iPhone
02:19:27
This is a gentrification issue!!
Nancy Smith
02:19:31
Thank you, Mike
Kenya Beaman
02:19:41
When it was discovered both meetings were on the same day and time information was already shared to the public. It was not intentional.
Nancy Smith
02:19:45
Historical KNOWLEDGE
VALERIE BURTON
02:19:57
Thanks Mike , Well Said..
Eric Burkman (MBTA)
02:20:09
Lee: Research has found that businesses along transit corridors tend to experience similar revenue, but over a greater number of transactions. In other words, on transit corridors customers tend to spend less money, but with more frequency, resulting in similar revenue generated. One of the staff can point you to the study. I will try to remember to connect with you, or email me at eburkman@mbta.com.
Barbara Crichlow
02:20:18
Thank you Mike
Lee Toma
02:20:26
Thanks Eric
Russell's iPhone
02:20:27
Make our community more desirable for a wealthier class of people. None of these “improvements” are for the people of this community
Jovan Lacet
02:20:29
Totally against a one driving lane Blue Hill Ave. It would not work just as it's not working on Cummins Highway.
Connie F
02:20:42
BHA passes through communities rich with youth and elders. If a person has infants/children bikes to go to school and meetings are not viable. Shopping with lots of grocery, bikes are out. The MBTA has always had issues and is not always as viable option. The City trying to force people to give up their cars but they fail to understand why residents need vehicles and that they will not go away.
Oby
02:21:18
Angelica needed to get off the call early
Alexandre Renaud
02:21:44
Thank you for the clarification Oby!
Adam Pieniazek
02:23:09
Cargo bikes can carry a lot of groceries! Would be great if the city subsidized cargo bikes for people living on streets where car lanes are being removed.
Allentza Michel (she/hers)
02:24:11
We hear you that it wasn't intentional Kenya. Nonetheless, it highlights the disconnect and silos across departments that contribute to inequitable outcomes.
Allentza Michel (she/hers)
02:24:33
That's what folks are really getting at.
Katherine Jenkins Djom
02:25:02
^^ @Allentza, YUP
Carmel Levy (he/him)
02:25:03
LOVE a cargo bike. And I mean, even on my regular bike I can pick up bulk orders of groceries, 40-50 lbs
Louis Elisa
02:25:08
How many seniors and elderly will the cargo bikes be able to take to the Hospitals given that t here is NO CROSS TOWN TRANSPORTATION within our community???
Mike Kozu
02:25:29
grove hall doesn't get its streets snow plowed right now, but you will prioritize bike lanes?
Allentza Michel (she/hers)
02:25:31
Thank you! I've been asking for this for five years Matt!
Roudnie Célestin (Mayor's Liaison)
02:26:19
—Hi everyone, love to see you so engaged!I send updates regularly.Update #45 (since COVID) is due out soon*SEND ME YOUR EMAIL TO GET UPDATES*Roudnie Célestin (Rood-Nee)Mattapan, Dorchester, and Haitian CommunityLiaison to Mayor Martin J. WalshOffice of Neighborhood ServicesP. 617-635-2677E. roudnie.celestin@boston.gov
Kenya Beaman
02:26:45
Please allow me to add, that although BPDA, the Plan Mattapan team meet with the different city departments, it is crucial for each department to vet out the community themselves; get their own data for their specific project. Our comments, good or indifferent should never be the only thing they hear. We would never allow it.
Eric Burkman (MBTA)
02:27:29
Louis: Using our resources more efficiently, as a bus lane allows us to do, can enable other service concepts that currently aren't feasible (for example, you mentioned additional crosstown service). I would recommend bringing your ideas for the bus network up in the Bus Network Redesign process.More information is available here: https://www.mbta.com/projects/bus-network-redesign
Adam Pieniazek
02:28:17
Not everyone can ride a bike or use the bus but getting as many people who are able to use one of those two modes instead of driving makes driving better for those who can't bike/bus/walk.
Louis Elisa
02:29:03
Given that we are in such an abismal transportation desert, maybe the city might want to consider free transportation along the Avenue and vouchers for the elderly who will be severely impacted by the change in parking access.
Roudnie Célestin (Mayor's Liaison)
02:29:15
@Adam P - well said
Fatima Ali-Salaam, GMNC
02:29:24
We do not want this update of BHA to end up looking like Forest Hills or Ashmont Station area.
Barbara Crichlow
02:29:27
Go ahead Reenie, tell it. BHA has changed many, many times in your life and what changes for the community will be heard.
Kenya Beaman
02:30:04
Yes indeed Adam P.
Carmel Levy (he/him)
02:30:08
And aren't folks saying that over half of the travellers in the corridor are moving by bus? Seems reasonable to prioritize that mode so those folks have better, faster service.
Connie F
02:30:33
Is the state willing to consider Free Mass Transit, that would increase use.
Fatima Ali-Salaam, GMNC
02:30:41
3D designs - work with the Boston Society of Architects to produce
CG
02:30:46
That’s a good idea Connie
Adam Pieniazek
02:32:17
Making the whole BHA corridor a fare-free bus corridor or providing everyone in the area free T passes would be great
Katherine Jenkins Djom
02:33:16
^^Yes! to Connie's idea... subsidize that plan with property taxes from outside communities that are sending commuters
Vivian Girard
02:34:48
To the City planners: Thank you for prioritizing the most space and environmentally efficient modes of transportation.
Alex Frieden
02:35:01
I bike south through here to see my parents south of BHA, great to see the buses and bikes
Roudnie Célestin (Mayor's Liaison)
02:35:42
FYI - boston.gov/cummins-highway
Representative Liz Miranda
02:36:05
hi everyone . it’s Rep Miranda here . I’m coming from another meeting. although my end of blue hill ave is not in the strategy or plan, I know it will impact the end of the ave. apologies on the delay. will you share the plans via email? thank you for the presentation.
Roudnie Célestin (Mayor's Liaison)
02:36:26
FYI - https://www.boston.gov/american-legion
Roudnie Célestin (Mayor's Liaison)
02:36:34
FYI - https://www.boston.gov/cummins-highway
Representative Liz Miranda
02:36:57
are there multi lingual materials?
Allentza Michel (she/hers)
02:37:15
Good question Rep
Louis Elisa
02:37:18
It is easy for those who are about self, no children, no grand parents nor neighborhood demands to speak of the benifits of cyceling but for everyone else travel to p laces beyond their immediate community is totally interupted by the fact that after a certain houre in Boston Public Transportation...DOES NOT EXIST
Fatima Ali-Salaam, GMNC
02:37:30
Blue Hill Ave is the jewel
Alexandre Renaud
02:37:37
Representative Miranda, we can share the presentation and related translations (Spanish & Haitian Creole) with you.
Grace Pattarini
02:37:41
The presentation has been translated into Spanish and Haitian. Both will be posted on our website
Fatima Ali-Salaam, GMNC
02:37:48
People first
Jovan Lacet
02:38:06
Please listen to the community.
Representative Liz Miranda
02:38:07
thank you grace .
Fatima Ali-Salaam, GMNC
02:38:11
Thank you
Eric Burkman (MBTA)
02:38:12
Louis: One of the goals of the concept is to encourage people who are willing, able, and interested to shift to transit or bus. A relatively small amount of people who change modes will result in improved traffic for those who choose to still drive.
Jovan Lacet
02:38:17
Thank you
Allentza Michel (she/hers)
02:38:26
thank you all
Lee Toma
02:38:28
Thank you!
Alexandre Renaud
02:38:43
Thank you all for joining and expressing your concerns!
Katherine Jenkins Djom
02:38:58
Sad to see biking pitted against family ... I used a bike trailer with my kids then taught them to bike ... it IS possible ... AND understandable why most people don't do it because *it is not SAFE in our neighborhoods*...
Matt Moran
02:39:01
Thank you everyone for your time! Any follow up questions please email matthew.moran@boston.gov. It would be great to hear back about ideas and comments