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THE TV MINDSET: RACISM IN TV & how to combat the culture - Shared screen with gallery view
Shereen Docherty
34:43
I have been working in comedy entertainment development and production (skewed to comedy) for 10 years and I can think of only one Black creative I’ve worked with, once. Shocking
Jane Merkin
38:06
That is a brilliant, honest contribution Teeyana which h the industry needs to hear
Eleanor Wight
38:19
Thankyou for sharing Teeyana
Jane Merkin
38:20
Don't leave the industry!
Liam Meredith
38:29
Solidarity Teeyana. Thanks for sharing your story.
Shereen Docherty
38:29
Agreed. Thank you Teeyana. What field do you work in?
Kerry Brandon
38:41
Thank you for sharing Teeyana
Ally Roberts
39:09
Thank you for sharing Teeyana. A brave contribution. Definitely don’t leave please x
Marie Bell
40:01
Much respect to you Teeyana, this industry needs you. Thank you so much for sharing x
sally Angel
40:23
Thank you for sharing Teeyana - what you said needs to be heard
Fiona Flannery
41:21
Thank you for sharing Teeyana, that must not have been easy, but I really appreciate what you have shared with us today. Ut needs to be heard. I am sorry for what you have suffered. Please don’t leave x
Ally Roberts
43:47
That’s such an interesting point, Adeel, about talking about mental health first and race/sexuality/religion/regional second…
Julie Ann Lough
45:43
I came from academia before going to TV. Academia has it's own problems but at least I had colleagues of lots of different backgrounds. I find it so strange when I look around a TV office when I work and there is so little diversity. I'm a white immigrant in this country and as someone looking in it is amazing all the people who don't realise the subtle racism every day in the UK. The amount of times people complain about "immigrants" and when I point out I am one, I'm hit with "oh you don't count..." because people don't view me as one because I'm white. White people here need to call all that out. As said.... there is no balance in racism. much love to everyone sharing their stories.
Bushra Siddiq
50:58
It’s also incredibly problematic making an official report or complaint as a freelancer. You worry you’ll be frozen out or identified as undesirable employment wise.
Ryan Samuda
52:50
Very good point
Hilary O'Hare
55:19
On top of directly hiring BAME talent in top roles, would job-sharing ALL roles (with a specific mandate to welcome in BAME freelancers) start to approach fixing the divide?
Ryan Samuda
56:14
I personally dont fill out the Diamond form. People have said I should but I feel like its an easy way for companies to act like they are diverse. Its more than just a form, maybe i should fill it out but i feel very anti about it
Jane Merkin
57:10
30 years ago (gulp!) I was in-house BBC Docs dept and part of a new Equality Opportunities Committee. We got the BBC to set up and run their Trainee AP scheme (essentially for directors) for women and for PoC. They ran them once (possibly twice) and then stopped. Just think how different the TV landscape would have been if the BBC had continued to support these schemes. Too many missed opportunities.....
Rajesh Thind
01:05:28
Well spoken all of you. Thank you for your honesty & power @Teeyana. @Nacheal Larelle - Thank you for this incredible clarity and composure. Very powerful. Adeel Amini - Fire. I can hear the rusty wheels of the industry being cranked into movement. Keep going calling this stuff out. Great panel.
Nadia Nadarajah
01:06:18
I remember when I went for audition then they have given me the script on that day. I’ve read and realised they are looking for white deaf actress because the story was about a small village in Wales where no colour of people there. I am thinking why did they picked me up for this. After for a while, I realised they want show the diversity so they use me as colour and deaf person to tick on their list.
Bushra Siddiq
01:07:48
I have always felt that the TV industry requires programme makers to have the ability to walk in someone else’s shoes and help them to tell their story. But as an industry it fails to extend the same courtesy to those working within the industry.
Ramon Woolfe
01:10:13
Thanks Nadia - These are powerful and a scope for us to learn, we cannot empathise as we will never be able to understand. It’s time for us to focus on the issues and learn from them but also to steer away from tokenism. There are so many layers to unravel and learn from each of these. Hugs x
Nadia Nadarajah
01:12:21
Hugs Ramon x
Xuxa Deschamps
01:12:45
Nacheal - thanks so much for sharing! Sending love xx
Dorsa Nam
01:14:01
Very well said Nachael lots of love to you x
Nadia Nadarajah
01:14:18
Thanks Nachael x
Shereen Docherty
01:14:37
Thank you Nachael
Jeanette Moffat
01:15:03
Thank you all for your stories. I feel like I have an awful lot to learn but I really want to.
Rachel Ingle
01:15:54
Thank you Nachael x
Adeel Amini
01:19:09
It will be available on our socials later today!
Shereen Docherty
01:20:57
Ethnicity pay gap
Dorsa Nam
01:22:30
Yes Elaine!
Shereen Docherty
01:23:33
If business is what motivates you - The failure to fulfil the potential of the Black, Asian and ethnic minority talent in the workforce costs the British economy £34billion/year and 1.3% GDP (Gov commissioned McGregor-Smith Review)
Ryan Samuda
01:24:16
This is all VERY Powerful, Thank you Elaine x
Emma Fine
01:25:19
100%! If companies publish data on this then for freelancers looking for work we will have a better idea of what companies actually care about having diverse teams to make tv for all audiences
Saffia Sage
01:26:08
this is so exceptional. thank you to all the panelists.
Sophia Slater
01:26:18
Yes, Elaine. Something that concerns me is that black creatives becoming an accessory for white voices on black matters. This is not uncommon. Inclusivity is fundamental. Hypervisbility is one of the most oppressive forms invisibility, to be seen and not heard. Now is the time to listen and learn, but not solely rely on existing staff to be the face of your call for action.
Natasha Smurthwaite
01:27:28
A colleague of mine at a job asked to create a POC group, they were shut down by white bosses. Who said it was racist and “we wouldn’t be allowed to have a white people only group” - shocking and disgusting. This happened in 2017
Rosanna Armenante
01:29:20
Highly recommend the podcast “About Race” by Reno Eddo-Lodge. Really powerful and informative. She also talks a lot about the lack of diversity in the media and complete refusal of any commissioners to talk to her/be held accountable.
Rosanna Armenante
01:30:32
*Reni Eddo-Lodge (autocorrect, sorry!)
Shereen Docherty
01:30:48
THANK YOU ELAINE. I HOPE THERE ARE LEADERS LISTENING
Nadia Nadarajah
01:30:59
Good informative Elaine
Ryan Samuda
01:31:16
Love it Elaine, so many great points
Julie Ann Lough
01:31:16
thanks everyone, it is so important we listen. Thank you for sharing your views
Dorsa Nam
01:31:17
Brilliant Elaine, thank you so much
Ramon Woolfe
01:31:19
Thanks to the interpreters for today…Om and Sharan
Julie Ann Lough
01:31:23
and stories
martha constable
01:31:25
That was brilliant Elaine thank you
Nadia Nadarajah
01:31:43
Yes Ramon! Thanks interpreters to do this webinar.
Alison Martin
01:32:21
Thank you to everyone in this chat providing further ways to learn and research. Thank you to all the Panelists who have opened my eyes to the industry
Alison Martin
01:34:06
*opened my eyes to their experiences within the industry
Aaron Briggs
01:34:30
Thank you all for sharing your experiences. It’s been incredibly sobering
Sophie Woolley
01:34:53
Thanks everyone and for the captions.
Saffia Sage
01:35:02
I think that point about cross-broadcaster (and cross-indie!) collaboration being key is SO important. My experience of D&I networks and D£I strategy so far has largely been tinged with a really odd sense of competitiveness and benchmarking - “other companies are not doing this so that’s good as we can show we are ahead of the game/other companies are doing this thing therefore that is the only reason we should look into it - to keep up/save face”. I think this is just another form of performative allyship. we should be working together to effect systemic change. not trying to score points on other people’s trauma.
Aaron Briggs
01:37:17
Yes Nacheal!
Bushra Siddiq
01:37:33
Schemes are often a way for broadcasters and indies to give themselves a pat on the back and their only means of dealing with the diversity deficit. Additionally schemes require follow up, you can’t just have people on schemes and then toss them out once it’s over. That’s how talent gets lost and falls through the gaps.
Jane Merkin
01:37:49
This is the problem - over the years there have been a plethora of schemes, initiatives, networking events but we are still in this situation which excludes so many. Time for the industry to be compelled to make change perhaps through financial imperatives which is a language they will understand.
Dorsa Nam
01:38:09
I started on Creative Access, it was a good way through the door (for me), but it is problematic because of tokenism. I have almost always been the token ethnic minority in every development team I’ve worked at - development is especially bad for diversity IMO. We need more diversity at the top for those entry level schemes to make any difference.
Pauline Mayers
01:38:26
Also check out Olive Morris whose efforts resulted in Squatters Rights being inserted in births law (1970’s)
Aaron Briggs
01:41:54
100%
Toni-Ann Thomas
01:41:55
Yessss!!!
martha constable
01:41:57
Yes!
Ryan Samuda
01:41:58
I'm surprised at how many of my black colleagues have come through diversity schemes. I didn't it's made me feel 'different' in itself. Its scary, it wasn't until recently I realised this. Just that process alone I think also ties individuals to their mentors, it's then like you owe your career to someone, why are so many poc being asked to use the side door why are so few of us coming in through the front?
Nadia Nadarajah
01:42:00
YESSS!!!
Xuxa Deschamps
01:42:02
Truth!!
Aaron Briggs
01:42:12
Exactly!
caroline officer
01:42:24
So, so true
Tacita Small
01:43:06
So true - my gosh
Bella Rogers
01:43:07
This is bang on the mark
Nicola Comber
01:43:19
The ‘Home Counties village voice’ - obliterating everything else.
Tacita Small
01:43:59
And now the 3rd channel has 7 channels
Nadia Nadarajah
01:44:16
Bang on
Tacita Small
01:44:20
The only way is Essex has about 7 spin offs - WTF
Ryan Samuda
01:44:31
They'll say they don't know anything about your culture. ask your advice, not bother to let you see an edit and then not follow the advice it anyway
Bella Rogers
01:44:47
if we were fully diverse we wouldn’t need to think about how to “appear more diverse” - the keeping up with the jones’s between companies and channels is drowning out the genuine voices and needs of the whole industry
Bushra Siddiq
01:44:52
Absolutelyy Ryan!
caroline officer
01:44:54
And none of the C4 commissioners were prepared to move, properly move, to Leeds
Aaron Briggs
01:46:13
Exactly!
Kristina Wade
01:46:31
truth!!
nataliegrant
01:46:35
We only need to look at the language used surrounding the appointment of the new BBC Director General… “A Safe Pair of Hands” was quoted in pretty much every single article. The 17th DG and the 17th white, middle class man. Essentially enforcing the narrative that anyone other than a white, middle class man is a ‘risk’ to hire.
Bella Rogers
01:46:42
yes caroline!
Kim Rossiter
01:47:00
Yes Natalie
Tacita Small
01:47:09
clap clap clap
Dorsa Nam
01:47:09
HA!!!! YES!!!
Sophia Slater
01:47:10
Yesss!
Jeanette Moffat
01:47:16
Brilliant!!
Xuxa Deschamps
01:47:24
🔥🔥🔥🔥
Bella Rogers
01:47:26
this is incredible truths
Simon Gooden
01:47:40
T R U T H…
Bushra Siddiq
01:47:54
Irshad has basically described every job I ever get offered!
Shereen Docherty
01:48:03
If anyone would like a resource on Anti-Black racism in England then please email me. I have compiled statistical research into inequalities in England (justice, education, employment, GB colonial history etc) with sources, and a starting point/intro to ‘doing the work’. Useful for anyone still uncertain, or who would like some evidence to hand re: the specific situation in this country right now. I’d be happy to share shereendocherty@gmail.com Thank you to all the panellists.
Winnie
01:48:10
YES I love the honesty, the public honesty. Moving out of the private conversation. This panel is amazing!
Tom Kent
01:48:40
so so spot on Irshad
Nadia Nadarajah
01:48:41
Excatly!
Julie Ann Lough
01:48:55
👏 yes, this has all been brilliant! there is no counter argument to racism! we all have a role to play in calling it out. brilliant!
Alison Martin
01:49:20
Irshad, I’m glad to hear your words! To say that it was more diverse years ago and it’s so much worse now speaks volumes!
Hannah Jeffrey
01:49:27
this has been amazing - thank you to all panelists!
Rachel Ingle
01:49:37
Thank you! This is a brilliant panel!!! x
Aaron Briggs
01:49:47
Never explain your emotions, that in itself is a product of racism
Nadia Nadarajah
01:49:52
Fabulous Panel
Agathe Barbier
01:49:58
👏👏👏 amazing panel, thank you so much to all panelists
Xuxa Deschamps
01:50:02
Thank you all so much! This has been amazing to watch xx
Ryan Samuda
01:50:06
Yes Teeyana!!
Bella Rogers
01:50:15
fantastic panel, thank you so much for all your viewpoints and experiences!
Ruth Bader
01:50:21
Fantastic. Thank you!
martha constable
01:50:33
This has been really brilliant - honest and powerful, and important suggestions for action and change. Thanks you all so much xx
Dorsa Nam
01:50:39
DOWN WITH NEPOTISM!
Alison Martin
01:50:40
Nepotism HAS TO CHANGE
Bella Rogers
01:50:42
the “someones niece” promotion is the truth
Olaide Sadiq
01:50:43
thank you all for your honesty, transparency and strong accounts of your experiences x
Ally Roberts
01:50:45
Great points Teeyana
Toni-Ann Thomas
01:51:04
100% true
Bushra Siddiq
01:51:05
Thank you all for your honesty and for sharing your experiences with us, I know it cannot have been easy. So I’m really appreciative of you all.
Amy Heywood
01:51:06
Wonderful webinar! Thank you all!
Ryan Samuda
01:51:14
Your nurtured for the length of your contract...
Tom Kent
01:51:18
Nepotism must be called out so loudly
caroline officer
01:51:20
Yes, nepotism is rife, this absolutely needs to be tackled. And lets not forget this is about class too
Norah Quartey
01:51:25
100% teeyana
Lolly M
01:51:36
Amazing points Teeyana!
Emma Fine
01:51:41
Thank you, this has been really great chat. Appreciate you all taking the time for this xx
Olaide Sadiq
01:51:41
100%
Anna Coane
01:52:35
Absolutely incredible session and panel, so many truths. Thank you x
sarah lee
01:52:42
Thankyou to all panelists. This has been so informative and I applaud your honesty
Shereen Docherty
01:52:43
stay!
Jeanette Moffat
01:52:45
Don’t go!!!
martha constable
01:52:46
stay!
Xuxa Deschamps
01:52:46
Stay!
Agathe Barbier
01:52:46
STAY!
Hannah Jeffrey
01:52:48
STAY Teeyana!!!
Eleanor Wight
01:52:49
This was so brilliant - thank you for sharing with us.
Bella Rogers
01:52:53
STAY!!
caroline officer
01:52:54
Do not go!
Rachel Ingle
01:52:58
stay
Kim Rossiter
01:53:00
Thank you everyone, this has been incredibly helpful and informative
Alison Martin
01:53:03
Stay, Teeyana! Can’t wait to see you in the industry soon!
Lolly M
01:53:14
Stay Teeyana! Be the voice in the industry! You are amazing
Kerry Brandon
01:53:15
Please stay!
Tara Nolan
01:53:35
Thanks so much to all of you. We really need change.
Kerry Brandon
01:54:13
YES!
Toni-Ann Thomas
01:54:15
A word!!!
Tacita Small
01:54:18
YASSSS
Aaron Briggs
01:54:25
We haven’t had shows like the Real McCoy since it stopped
Lolly M
01:54:40
New narratives need to be pushed to the forefront
Xuxa Deschamps
01:54:45
Absolutely!!! Industry needs to stop putting us in the place of the victim in history, and show us our power and pride! xx
Tacita Small
01:55:00
I can’t pitch 10 programmes right now..its not hard
Fiona Thompson
01:55:19
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and stories this morning and for your advice, guidance, and, quite rightly, demands. So long as we have such views and e take action there is home. Recognising intersectionality is critical - range of privilege needs discussing. Thank you for the honesty.
Dorsa Nam
01:55:36
Nacheal you will be a great commissioner one day
Hannah Jeffrey
01:56:01
you were all amazing, thank you so much!
Nada Smiljanic
01:56:02
Thank you so much for your honest and sobering insights - the whole industry needs to hear them!!
Tom Kent
01:56:03
One thing I’ve noticed working in TV for the last 10 years there seems to be a particular lack of diverse team members in History programming. Surely this is massively damaging
Zoe Bickerton
01:56:08
Thank you so much to the panel for your time and for sharing stories that are clearly terribly difficult to share. Pushing myself to be a better ally going forwards
Ri
01:56:28
Thank you all so much
Tacita Small
01:56:36
Thank you everyone!!
Norah Quartey
01:56:36
Amazing and powerful panel. Thank you so much - amazing to hears stories from people who look like me!
Toni-Ann Thomas
01:56:38
Thank you everyone
Nadia Nadarajah
01:56:39
Thank you so much
Emma Jones
01:56:39
Thank you all so much for giving up your time today, and for sharing your personal experiences with us all and for your honesty. I deeply hope this is a time of real, genuine change. And Teeyana please do not leave x
Ally Roberts
01:56:41
Thank you all for taking the time for share your experiences and organising this session.
Ryan Samuda
01:56:42
Thank you EVERYONE
martha constable
01:56:42
Huge respect to you all, thank you x
Jeanette Moffat
01:56:43
Thank you all xxx
Xuxa Deschamps
01:56:44
Thank you!!
Nadia Nadarajah
01:56:44
Thankyou interpreters!
Natasha Jarvis
01:56:45
This has been fantastic!!!!!!
Dorsa Nam
01:56:46
Thanks yalllllllllll!
Fiona Flannery
01:56:48
Thank you all for a great panel today and for sharing your stories and insight with us all.
Charlie Coombes
01:56:49
thanks to all the panel!
Sophia Slater
01:56:51
Thank you all!!
Josephine Besbrode
01:56:52
Thank you thank you thank you!
Ben Worsfield
01:57:00
thank you so much everyone
Simon Gooden
01:57:01
This was great..Thank you..
Agathe Barbier
01:57:05
<3
Natasha Smurthwaite
01:57:05
Thank you ! This has been amazing.
Debbie Hartley
01:57:08
THANK YOU ALL!
Fleur Cousens
01:57:10
thank you so much
Aaron Briggs
01:57:10
Thank you all so much, this panel has been amazing.
Coco Bartlett
01:57:14
This was brilliant, thanks you so much!
Tom Kent
01:57:15
Thanks everyone - such a good panel. Thank you all!
Dariusz Kosiński
01:57:22
Thank you so so soo incredibly much for your shares!
Kristina Wade
01:57:27
Thank you!!!!! more conversations like this.. sending love x
Alison Martin
01:57:31
Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you all so so much! I love hearing your voices. Take care of yourselves during this time. And hope to meet you all again in the industry! Please don’t leave, I look forward to meeting you all!
Olaide Sadiq
01:57:37
thanks everyone - this was great 👏🏾.
Rosanna Armenante
01:57:45
Thank you all for this! Appreciate the emotional labour that has gone in for sharing this stuff.
Kerry Brandon
01:57:54
Thank you!
Hannah Jeffrey
01:57:54
I promise to always speak up. Such a powerful panel - THANK YOU
Natasha Smurthwaite
01:58:07
Will this recording be available going forward? I can think of so many people who need to hear this.
Marvyn Marques
01:58:08
can we have another webinar at some point again please!
Nicola Comber
01:58:10
THANK YOU TO ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR HONESTY.
Hilary O'Hare
01:58:15
Humbled - I hope to meet you all in person one day
Daniel Campbell
01:58:16
Thank you everyone for holding this!
Ben Hansen Hicks
01:58:27
Thanks to everyone for this panel. I don’t have much but would love to contribute to you Adeel, this is really really meaningful work!
Hilary O'Hare
01:58:28
Can we have your paypal Adeel?
Kerry Brandon
01:58:30
I will contribute to keep this conversation going
Xuxa Deschamps
01:58:32
Thank you Adeel!
Tom Kent
01:58:32
Patreon ?
martha constable
01:58:33
Well said Elaine xx
Nadia Nadarajah
01:58:35
Wow….thank you so much Adeel for booking captions and interpreters
Jeanette Moffat
01:58:42
More than happy to contribute
Kim Rossiter
01:58:43
Yes Elaine!
Kobina Wood-Andoh
01:58:45
This session means so much, thank you to all the panelist!!
Natasha Jarvis
01:58:45
Lets set up a GoFundMe!!!
Aaron Briggs
01:58:47
Adele how can we donate? Time/energy/funds?
Zyreeta Abadji
01:58:51
Thank you to Adeel and the rest of the panel.
Lauren Lambie
01:58:58
Thank you all for your time, honesty and sharing your experiences. A very powerful panel! Time for change. X
Ryan Samuda
01:59:05
Thank you Adeel
Julie Ann Lough
01:59:06
wow! Adeel, how can we help you?
Kristina Wade
01:59:14
Adele, you are amazing! I’m sure lots of people will be happy to donate, please set something up x
Nicola Comber
01:59:14
Off to continue doing the work……
Alison Martin
01:59:15
Yes, thank-you Adeel, I always love your open, accessible webinars. Every single one I attend I learn something new. You’re doing that hard work that I’m privileged to participate!
Kerry Brandon
01:59:15
We want to help Adeel - happy to be part of this community
Hannah Jeffrey
01:59:20
This is such a valuable platform it deserves funding!!!!
Kerry Brandon
01:59:21
BLM
Fiona Flannery
01:59:30
BLM!!
Liam Meredith
01:59:30
BLM!
Kobina Wood-Andoh
01:59:32
Thank you Adeel for also creating the TV Mindset platform!!
Xuxa Deschamps
01:59:33
Proud to be a woman of colour! BLM!!
Kobina Wood-Andoh
01:59:35
BLM