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Feminist leadership during Covid-19 - Shared screen with speaker view
Susie Heywood NHS/GFN Scotland
16:39
hi!
Ruth Blanco
16:41
hi!
Lea
16:41
Hej from Berlin :)
Feminist leadership during Covid-19
16:42
Hello!
Kate
16:42
Hi!
Marion Sharples
16:44
Hi! Marion from Women's Budget Group
Paula Stoleru
16:45
hello!:)
ActionAid Ireland
16:47
hi Siobhan here from ActionAid Ireland
Megan Martin
16:48
Hi!
Feminist leadership during Covid-19
16:52
from Kurdistan of Iraq!
Uzma
16:52
Hi, looking forward to this
jessmacdonald
16:52
Hi it’s Jess from Redthread
Ruth Blanco
16:52
from Sussex, UK
Jayne
16:55
Hello.
Francesca Rhodes
16:56
Hi everyone great to be here
Carolyn Norgate
16:57
Hi, looking forward to it
Tania Cohen
16:58
Hello from London
Valentina Toledo
16:59
Hello
Sara Gowen
16:59
Hello
Nicola van der Gaag
17:00
Hello, great to be here. Nikki from Oxford UK.
Gianna Goulding
17:03
Hi everyone, Gianna here from Forum for the Future, based in London
Emma Mogaka
17:06
Hello from Kenya
Sophie Livingstone
17:13
Hello! Sophie Livingstone, MD of Trustees Unlimited (in London)
Natalie Brook
17:48
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Natalie Brook
18:15
Hi everyone! Thanks so much for joining
MDausas
18:25
Hi everyone. From Namibia.
Shahanoor Akter Chowdhury
18:51
Hello! This is Shahanoor Akter Chowdhury, from Bangladesh, working as Consultant for BRAC International.
Natalie Brook
19:11
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Agnes Kola
20:55
Hi, this is Agnes Kola from ActionAid Kenya
Natalie Brook
21:11
Hi Gertrude, we will share the recording afterwards
Stéphane Simporé
22:28
Salut! Stéphane depuis le Burkina Faso, de l’ISDAO - Initiative Sankofa d’Afrique de l’Ouest.
Loraine Mponela CARAG
28:08
Wow powerful
Uzma
28:41
Thank you jean, powerful
Aga
30:20
yes Lee, exactly!
Xenia Women
30:22
Totally agree! Feminist leadership makes more power to go around, rather than thinking that having power has to mean taking power away from other people
Chizoba Okosa
31:34
Thank you Lee
Aisha Kolubah
32:49
Humility
Catalyst Collective
34:28
Loving this theme of abundance of power rather than scarcity - it’s such a mindset shift
Marie Benton
34:58
It is a mindset shift - am going through a similar shift with trying to instil co-production in my organisation
Shona
35:06
I would be interested in Feminist leadership courses.
Chizoba Okosa
35:57
I live in a country where feminism is like a taboo, patriarchy is the ultimate they say
Shona
36:18
How we see power differs.
Natalie Brook
36:19
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Chuks Ogbunubi
37:09
Chizoba Okosa I disagree with the concept of patriarchy
Nicki Norman
37:47
Can we have a link to Surina's blog please?
Chizoba Okosa
37:56
What's your view on it
Natalie Brook
38:46
Hi Nicki, here is Surina’s blog: https://medium.com/@surinak_2575/feminist-leadership-in-a-pandemic-371dc0b4e9be
Nicki Norman
39:09
Thanks!
Chuks Ogbunubi
40:21
The problem inherent in leadership is personality based and not limited to any gender
Chizoba Okosa
41:11
@Chuks do you live in Nigeria?
Susie Heywood NHS/GFN Scotland
41:20
Amazing!
Feminist leadership during Covid-19
41:44
In some communities it depends on gender and in some on personality.
Xenia Women
41:55
Super inspiring management, Surina
Chuks Ogbunubi
41:57
Agreeing with patriarchy gives the impression that you want to replace it with matriarchy
Aisha Kolubah
42:26
Good approach
Chuks Ogbunubi
42:40
Chizoba I am Nigerian
Chipo
43:01
Interesting submissions being made...I wonder how organizations can influence donors to reconsider incorporating Self-Care and Collective-Care initiatives as COVID-19 has proved to us that Mental Health should be budgeted for
Nicola van der Gaag
43:30
Such inspiring ideas thank you Surina!
Natalie Brook
44:19
@Facia This is the link to Surina’s blog: https://medium.com/@surinak_2575/feminist-leadership-in-a-pandemic-371dc0b4e9be
Aisha Kolubah
44:30
I like the approach used to support partners
Marie Benton
44:52
4 day week! So simple. What a good idea. My team are all exhausted.
Xenia Women
45:24
Agree with the question above about how to influence funders/secure funding to resource some of these brilliant and common-sense forms of care for your team
Nicola van der Gaag
45:27
I think Jacinda Ardern in NZ is also proposing a 4 day week - feminist leadership!
Jackline Onchuru
45:39
You are amazing Surina!
Chuks Ogbunubi
45:45
Lee you're very objective
Joana C Martinho
45:46
Same @Xenia and Chipo - very interested in thoughts on how to influence funders
Joana C Martinho
46:41
It feels that in Portugal (where I am), funders have responded by allowing organisations to extend deadlines, get more funding to change activities, but I'm not sure that they are taking into account funding to support staff (I haven't seen it at least)
patrycjakupiec
47:20
We have been talking about introducing 4 day week in Scotland too. Such a simple and great solution. Hoping these changes will remain in post-Covid 19 world for better work life balance.
Penny Lawrence
48:08
inspiring leadership and creative ideas on how to support staff be their whole selves, spotting inequality (eg tech poverty) and acting before anyone has to ask. Great leadership
Joana C Martinho
48:43
That's amazing Lee, your team and colleagues supporting you to think about how you're doing your own self care!
Natalie Brook
48:50
Thanks for all your contributions - please do keep sharing your experience and ideas here - especially if anyone has experience of influencing funders on this
Chuks Ogbunubi
49:19
Lee nice one accountable responsibility
Chuks Ogbunubi
49:57
Lee is a great woman loving mother and a true leader
Nicki Norman
50:48
We secured some funding for team care costs and so can offer them access to counselling and other self care options
JoG
50:56
I think we have all taken the extra hours we have saved from not travelling and used those extra hours to work me - Viv is right
Chuks Ogbunubi
51:02
Self-care is important and necessary
Annie Perez
51:12
Wow Lee - such a wonderful, open and honest reflection!Thank you for sharing :)From my own experience - I enjoy how the organisation has come together. Where we all listen, support and help where possible. Irrespective of title, we're checking in with each other and being human. we've laughed together, been vulnerable together and that is really special.
Shona
51:21
Is this webinar going to be recorded? It would be good to be able to forward a link to this webinar for others who may be interested in the topic but have been unable to attend.
Chizoba
51:38
Self care during covid-19 should be a priority for staffs as they serve the community
Susie Heywood NHS/GFN Scotland
51:45
Yip - working more than ever, and harder to switch off when home and work are housed in the same place.
Natalie Brook
52:07
@Shona yes, we will be sharing a link to the recording after - watch your emails!
Nicki Norman
52:27
We've trusted team members (all women) to give what they can to work, when they can. The reality is most work REALLY hard and have to be told to take a break
Shona
52:57
That is great @Natalie Brook. Thank you. :}
JoG
53:31
We have trusted people to do what they can in the time they have and to not feel concerned about doing less - focussed more on given permission to do less and to make choices to balance life and work
Carol.Wrenn
54:13
For those organisations that have moved to a 4 day week - have salaries remained the same as they would be on a 5 day week?
Chizoba
54:19
Its heartbreaking that some organization working for the key populatons out there are not safe at all
Stéphane Simporé
55:02
Merci @Jean. Le travail jusqu’à l’épuisement totale est aussi une pratique très courante et même exacerbée dans les organisations féministes. Il est important d’en parler et de dénoncer. Mais il faut aussi mener des actions claires pour l’arrêter.
Aisha Kolubah
55:14
Wow! Virtual retreat, will be great to know how it works.
Audrey Mugeni
55:18
A virtual retreat 😁 sounds good!
Shona
55:23
How do the panelists address negative behaviour from people who have been conditioned to patriarchy?
eleanor (she/her)
55:33
I just got this mailed to me - might be useful in this context
eleanor (she/her)
56:04
Women in power: Female leadership and public health outcomes during the COVID-19 pandemic | medRxiv https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.13.20152397v1
Chuks Ogbunubi
56:20
Nice one Jean collective accountability
MDausas
56:30
Women (due to their nurturing nature) generally work harder, are committed to deliver in a workplace. Flexi time, 4 day-weeks and 5-hour days should become a new norm in any workplace. We are naturally accountable.
Loraine Mponela CARAG
57:36
Yes its not for the faint hearted.
Chizoba
57:42
Thank you Shona for bringing that up, how do we erase patriachal behavior at work, from a boss, husband etc
Chuks Ogbunubi
57:44
Leila good advice to be real as a leader
Nicki Norman
59:19
I think authenticity is crucial to feminist leadership so your ideals and values are absolutely part of this
Audrey Mugeni
01:00:26
Have funders been taking up new grantees at this time, or did you see it important to focus on your current grantees?
Natalie Brook
01:00:45
@Olivia we will follow up with Lee
Chuks Ogbunubi
01:01:06
Accountable collaboration is the way forward Lee
Chuks Ogbunubi
01:01:40
Nice one Lee
Leila Zadeh (UKLGIG)
01:02:16
Can we see ActionAid's feminist framework that Lee mentioned?
Chizoba
01:03:11
How do you work with a leader who doesnt trust or respect his team members, how do you secure and work peaceful in a toxic environment
Joana C Martinho
01:03:12
Agree with @Leila, it would be great to see what it looks like
Natalie Brook
01:03:14
@Leila here is some information about Action Aid’s framework: https://www.actionaid.org.uk/about-us/how-we-practise-feminism-at-work#:~:text=At%20ActionAid%2C%20we%20define%20feminist,helps%20create%20our%20workplace%20culture.
Chizoba
01:04:09
Thamk you Lee for that, we should all be feminists
Shona
01:04:45
That;s a really good question @Chizoba
Stéphane Simporé
01:04:47
En effet, le leadership féministe a aussi besoin de reconnaitre combien le patriarcat et le capitalisme tirent profit systématiquement face à chaque situation : la crise de la COVID 19 n’en a pas manqué.
Shona
01:06:09
@Chizoba I would recommend reading 'Shadow Negotiation'. Can't remember who it's by.
Chuks Ogbunubi
01:06:12
@Chizoba toxic environment is a personality creation not gender
Lorna
01:06:38
Been thinking a lot about feminist and collective leadership - this open access article on collective leadership from Indigenous Maori Perspective is super helpful: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0018726719893753
Xenia Women
01:06:49
Thank you for telling us some of the hard realities of how bold feminist leadership is being held back by funding limitations ni your organisation, Jean - really helpful to hear
Reem Assil Common Purpose
01:06:55
Do we have any men attending? I would be interested to read their comments on how they portray feminist leadership
Bharbara Botto
01:07:18
One of the biggest challenges to put into practice Feminist Leadership in our organizations is to change employee's mindset and make it a reality in our organizational values and culture
Chuks Ogbunubi
01:07:23
@Lee is true feminist and rational leader I love her perspective
Chipo
01:07:54
There is a lot that we can learn from the women’s movement that responded to HIV/AIDS and Ebola in Africa especially on Healing, Mobilizing resources and Community Care
Loraine Mponela CARAG
01:08:34
Thanks Viv
Sophie Livingstone
01:08:43
Echo the comment above re: men - how are they feminist leaders and how do we help more men understand and practice this alongside women?
Shona
01:09:10
Agree with Viv Hayes re Black lives matter. We need to speak our truths..
Chuks Ogbunubi
01:09:43
@Viv nice one "women who call themselves feminists" derail the desired outcome of true feminism
Chizoba
01:10:14
@Chuks should you agree that patriachal behavior is a personality creation?
Anita Phagura
01:11:08
until enough of us are in power how can we create change against the tide of growing populism and anti-feminism
Rachael
01:11:25
That's such an important challenge Viv - thank you
Shona
01:11:41
Unfortunately fighting against discrimination has become tribal where each group is fighting separately for human rights rather than realizing we can fight together. We all have a common purpose in fighting against discrimination together.
Feminist leadership during Covid-19
01:11:44
Yes, thank you Viv!
Gianna Goulding
01:11:45
Completely agree with all of Viv’s points there!
Nicola van der Gaag
01:11:56
Great call to action thank you Viv.
MDausas
01:12:12
A very POWERFUL message Viv. Thank you.
Hannah Taaffe
01:12:29
So glad to hear that from Viv as WRC is such a big player in the women's rights sector in the UK, glad to hear they are listening when it comes to anti-racism and challenging white feminism
Joana C Martinho
01:12:30
Totally agree that we need to be open to being criticised. I think some people will never be willing to do that, but I think there may be quite a few who will be open to constructive criticism but not speak out because of fear of unconstructive criticism - I have seen several women in feminist events being "slapped down" by other feminist women because they are tentatively voicing their opinion
Chuks Ogbunubi
01:12:45
@Viv you're a star
loan-009
01:12:46
Viv, thank you.
Daksha
01:12:50
Thank you Viv, absolutely agree, those of us working directly in communities see how larger organisations miss the point and do things to communities instead of with them.
Joana C Martinho
01:13:01
How do you think we can work to change this, to create a safe space for people to speak out and be criticised constructively, to learn?
Chuks Ogbunubi
01:13:05
I agree with @Viv
JoG
01:13:18
It can be really hard for larger orgs to see funders not getting the point around 'by and for' leadership as they can often expect us to provide a tokenistic response to meet diversity needs. Great that funders are engaging with this as it needs a bigger picture response.
Chizoba
01:13:36
During the lockdown here in Nigeria, lot of women were going through abuses in their relationships, stories of mental health deterioration
Reem Assil Common Purpose
01:14:15
will the chat be saved and shared with attendees? a lot of great comments and shared wisdom
Hannah Taaffe
01:15:50
on the question above about how men can be feminist leaders, I've been very lucky to have been in a team at Save the Children UK led by a man who really embodies many of the feminist leadership approaches we've been talking about, especially during Covid - so it is possible! but perhaps some men feel excluded by feminist leadership and think it's not for them - this is something myself and fellow Clore Emerging Leaders are looking into
Sophie Livingstone
01:16:13
That's really interesting @Hannah
Reem Assil Common Purpose
01:17:03
thanks for sharing @Hannah
Anita Phagura
01:17:05
The collective power is my takeaway. Keep building a collective movement creating ripple effects of change and demand change on feminist principles 🧡
Lorna
01:17:08
YES Jean
Shona
01:17:44
I agree with Jean re the 'silent issues'
Daksha
01:17:53
Absolutely it's time Jean. We have the opportunity now to disrupt and re-invent what normal means.
Anita Phagura
01:18:01
it is the SAME system that causes all of our different plights
Gianna Goulding
01:18:37
I’ve loved hearing comments about sharing power, the concept of a “web” of leadership, and self & mutual care. The question for me now is how do we get these qualities to be more valued by everyone we work with, whether that’s our teams, funders, partners, board, etc
Chizoba
01:18:57
It was really a day of reckoning during the ati rape movement @Lee
Audrey Mugeni
01:19:31
My take away is that feminist leadership makes more power to go around.And what Jean said last, what would it take for us to have the whole world work within feminist principles and values.
Lorna
01:20:08
WIll take away Jean's 'virtual retreat' idea and take it to my Rape Crisis Centre, thanks Jean
Penny Lawrence
01:20:08
C19 has renewed my belief in the strength of community - from my own expereicne and supporting community leaders in UK. I've seen extraordinary leadership that communities want to continue - our whole economic and political systems need to be rethought from community out rathe than national down
Sophie Livingstone
01:20:15
Fully agree with @Gianna - how can we ensure these values are recognised and used more broadly. I'd say boards and funders might be the toughest but potentially biggest gains if we can get them moving on this!
Chipo
01:20:15
My takeaway is ensuring that we ensure that there is Accountable collaboration
Catalyst Collective
01:20:35
Such great discussions :)
Shona
01:21:16
I agree with Viv. Decolonization is an important factor to encourage equality on all levels.
Joana C Martinho
01:22:16
I'll take away the idea that feminist leadership "isn't for the fainthearted", it is difficult, it means accepting that one can be wrong
JoG
01:22:16
Collective Women only action is crucial - competition for money and space
Nicola van der Gaag
01:22:57
Thanks to all the panellists and attendees for such great ideas and a good discussion - now we need to pull together all these ideas and find ways of putting them into practice.. #diversity #solidarity #collectivepower
Shona
01:22:59
However Collective women only action can be clouded by politics
Annie Perez
01:23:08
"Bringing your whole self to work"I think that this takes a lot of practice. It goes against what has been engrained in most since children (i.e. putting on a face and work / home being separate). Societal expectations restrict bringing the self to all environments and have the opportunity to develop our whole self.
Annalissa
01:23:09
I really liked this quote “ people that are closes to the problem are also closest to the solution”. I think it emphasizes the importance of a feminist standpoint, or even more so a black feminist standpoint. I never really thought about this in the context of job descriptions and so moving forward I think that ensuring community knowledge keepers have a seat at the table will be vital to transformational change
Penny Lawrence
01:23:09
Thanks panelists for all your inspiration, your insights thoughtfulness and generous sharing. My take away is feeling optimistic
JoG
01:23:14
competition for money and space is problematic at the moment - boundaries are being pushed
Chuks Ogbunubi
01:23:27
POWERFUL @Viv
Sally Jackson
01:23:28
Yes, sisterhood and solidarity to build the Women's movement
Christina Johnson
01:24:19
Something that I’ve been raising when I worked in house and now with clients is understanding where power sits, and it is still a question that baffles people - I really find the idea of power being in abundance instead of scarce and therefore hoarded at the top is really striking.
Chuks Ogbunubi
01:25:00
@Surina nice one
Shona
01:26:33
Thank you to the panelists and attendees
Reem Assil Common Purpose
01:26:35
BIG yes for a future discussion around the men’s role
Lorna
01:26:48
Thank you all SOOO much, this was super nourishing :-)
Carolyn Norgate
01:26:48
Thanks s much
Annalissa
01:26:50
yes, thank you everyone! I learned so much <3
Christina Johnson
01:26:51
So appreciate of this discussion, thank you. Looking forward to hearing and learning more in the future
Zoe Lynes
01:27:08
Thanks so much, learned a lot :)
Carolyn Norgate
01:27:09
Really appreciated all the inputs
Chuks Ogbunubi
01:27:11
@Reem I agree with you
Feminist leadership during Covid-19
01:27:18
Yes, actually I wanted a discussion about men’s roles! thank you all!!!
Stéphane Simporé
01:27:24
Merci!
Jackline Onchuru
01:27:37
Very insightful deliberations! Thanks
Xenia Women
01:27:37
Would love those organisations written down please to look them up :)
Shona
01:27:37
Could you email the names of the feminist writers you mentioned?
Joana C Martinho
01:27:38
It would be amazing if you could send those references in writing via email
Reem Assil Common Purpose
01:27:38
thank you to all the panellists and attendees, brilliant discussion and a lot of take aways
Caroline.Abilat
01:27:40
Also on the role of top leadership as role models for this type of leadership. If top management is absent and practicing strong man leadership, it becomes an uphill struggle
corinne
01:27:52
thank you so so much, very inspiring!
Daksha
01:27:52
Thank you so much.
Claire
01:28:05
This session has been so inspiring and thought-provoking, thank you to all panelists and hosts.
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01:28:06
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Gianna Goulding
01:28:25
Great session, thank you all so much!
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01:28:31
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Catalyst Collective
01:28:32
thank you everybody - fantastically inspiring session :)
Nicola van der Gaag
01:28:35
Thanks so much Natalie and Leila for organising this great panel.
Chuks Ogbunubi
01:28:38
@Leila nice one on discussion on collaboration with men
Uzma
01:28:46
Thank you so much everyone. Inspired by you all.
Chipo
01:28:50
Thank you Leila, Natalie and the panelists for this rich discussion
Miwon
01:28:50
Thank you so much for so many powerful insights ! I am looking forward to feedbacks !!
loan-009
01:28:51
Thank you all so much. Jean, your comments about the future brought me out in goose bumps. That was superb.
Penny Lawrence
01:28:52
Thanks to Leila and Natalie for organising and convening with a spirit of generosity and inclusion...great role models
Stéphane Simporé
01:28:57
Merci Meryld
Anita Phagura
01:29:06
wonderful session 👏
loan-009
01:29:07
Yes, fantastic role models
Mitali - NLCF
01:29:13
Thanks everyone - really great energising discussion
Xenia Women
01:29:16
Thank you so much, all of you, for your generosity in the world and in this discussion. Would love a follow up!
Chuks Ogbunubi
01:29:23
Very inspiring and engaging
Sarah Hawkins
01:29:23
thank you - hugely inspiring group of women, as well as their words!
sally o'connell
01:29:23
Big thank you to everyone - feeling very inspired for the rest of my week now!
Chizoba
01:29:26
Hearing from the panelists has been inspiring, thank you so much @Lee Webster, @Surina
Feminist leadership during Covid-19
01:29:27
👏👏👏 thank you!
JoG
01:29:27
Thank you everyone - great discussion
Jennifer Crosby
01:29:29
thanks for the inspiring discussion and thoughts
Joana C Martinho
01:29:30
Thank you so much for organising!
Avatara Ayuso
01:29:31
fantastic.!! after this I feel I have the energy of a tornado!!
Facia
01:29:31
Thanks for the great sharing.
Christina Johnson
01:29:32
Jean, your definition of feminist leadership at the outset was phenomenal, it will sit with me and inform how I live and work going forward, thank you
Penny Lawrence
01:29:33
Viv for next UK prime minister!
Chuks Ogbunubi
01:29:34
Thanks
Emma Wakeling
01:29:34
Thank you all so much- so many insights to take away!
kristen envarli
01:29:41
Thank you- this was excellent!
Hannah Lewis
01:29:42
So wonderful, thank you!
Jeredyne
01:29:50
Thanks to you all
Audrey Mugeni
01:29:57
Thank you to the organisers and the inspiring panelists Audrey. from Kenya, Akili Dada.
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01:30:02
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Carol.Wrenn
01:30:23
well done, great session!
Anita Phagura
01:30:24
thank you
Chizoba
01:30:27
Thank you soo much
Lee Webster
01:30:28
Thanks everyone, was great to talk with you!
leila_billing@yahoo.co.uk
01:30:35
Thanks all!
Ernree Neeplo
01:30:39
thanks everyone
Joana C Martinho
01:30:42
Thank you very much and well done for keeping to the time!
ActionAid Ireland
01:30:56
many thanks - very worthwhile & informative and challenging
Monika
01:31:00
Thank you very much! Very interesting and inspiring!
Miwon
01:31:00
Superbe !! keep in touch!
Ssenoga Micheal Fredrick
01:31:01
Thank you all - Stay Safe
Maria Shury-Smith
01:31:03
Thank you!
wondrousound
01:31:11
Incredible discussion! Big love to you all x
MDausas
01:31:30
Kai Aios (Thank you) everyone.