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susanneweress
02:12:28
Susanne from Mackellar AG
Ross Liddle (Barton AG)
02:13:42
Hi Ross, here from Barton AG (sth wst Syd)
Anne
02:14:16
Hi all, Annie from Sydney here
Jan
02:15:37
Hi all. Jan from Darkinjung country on Central Coast
Miriam Lyons
02:19:09
The beauty of a zoom training!
robyn whale
02:19:15
I'm having a wine too
Miriam Lyons
02:21:50
Here’s the oration if you haven’t seen it: https://sustainable.unimelb.edu.au/past-events/mssi-oration-with-rebecca-huntley
Gabrielle Bond
02:22:02
Here’s the link to Rebecca’s oration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvVW1ntPksU
Gabrielle Bond
02:22:13
Oh sorry double up!
Miriam Lyons
02:22:23
*snap* :)
Gabi Curwood
02:22:27
Sorry, my internet is slow and unreliable, might need to leave or get cut off
Miriam Lyons
02:22:31
Here’s the short version: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-29/climate-change-global-warming-six-groups-rebecca-huntley/11893384
Miriam Lyons
02:23:33
Sorry to hear that Gabi - this will be recorded so hopefully you can hopefully rewatch when your internet is better
Gabi Curwood
02:24:16
Thank you
Miriam Lyons
02:25:54
…and here’s the podcast link: https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/why-are-we-so-dvided-on-climate-change/11898456
Eli
02:30:39
lol
Miriam Lyons
02:30:43
Cuuuute
Nicole Humphreys
02:30:52
Cute! Hi Sadie!
Miriam Lyons
02:33:48
Agree. I think it’s an amazing moment to find passive supporters who are ready to be active, to help them to be visible to their MPs, and to help them become effective and persuasive climate activists in their communities.
Jan
02:36:25
Normalising extreme events - very scary thought
Miriam Lyons
02:36:33
It’s the folks who just spiked in this graph who make this a great opportunity: https://images.jifo.co/2230123_1579590038759.jpg
Eli
02:37:16
is there a source for the graph?
Miriam Lyons
02:37:18
As Rebecca says, everyone else will take longer.
Miriam Lyons
02:37:38
https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/environment-now-trumps-economy-on-australian-list-of-biggest-worries-20200121-p53td7.html
Eli
02:38:24
ta
joc
02:38:50
that reflects the LNP messaging
Beth Hill
02:41:39
Some Australian-based research on how people respond post-bushfire in the context of climate change https://ses.library.usyd.edu.au/handle/2123/17762
Ros B
02:42:15
Miriam yo are not as easy to hear as Rebecca
Miriam Lyons
02:42:25
Thanks Ros I’ll speak up
alanraby-HOBART ACTION GROUP
02:42:27
If we respect each person's feelings (as you make clear) why don't we create a communications strategy that explains a lot more detail (SADLY our media seems to avoid in depth technical details) of, say, renewables. I find this on social media and specialist podcasts, articles, etc.
Gabrielle Bond
02:43:19
Yes, solutions focussed - absolutely
joc
02:43:57
clapping!!
Eli
02:44:08
clap clap clap
Ros B
02:44:10
Great Miriam now clear
Jan
02:45:33
Is there any reason that graph is only 4 years? The article says Ipsos has done the survey for 10 years. It would be interesting to see attitudes to issues before 2016. They are mentioned in the article.
alanraby-HOBART ACTION GROUP
02:48:21
So depending on where our "targets" are in their emotions I feel we need to develop a RAPPORT, or a RELATIONSHIP with our interlocutors. So I would try to find out where their emotions are: e.g. in despair at our lack of leadership. I feel we need to really develop some open ended questions -- perhaps video role plays amongst ourselves. I am happy to 'act' the part of a "target" if needed. Done this kind of thing in other courses in my business life. My worry is the time that each such live conversation like this after such video role plays will require so much time that people will switch off
Gabrielle Bond
02:50:28
Always reminds me of this image :-) https://imgur.com/r/energy/up6yu
Miriam Lyons
02:55:14
If you have a question, you can use the ‘raise hand’ button & I’ll unmute you to ask it.
Guy Harrison
02:55:25
do you have a slide of the different segments?
alanraby-HOBART ACTION GROUP
02:55:48
Another thought. IF De Natale was right in saying in post election thinking that HALF the voters have no really clear, confident idea of how their vote works in our proportional representation single transferable vote. I would love to see someone create a reality TV quiz show on our election process. Someone like Andrew Denton, or other up and coming level headed comedians. It has to be entertaining. Anyone see that as a "blue sky" idea?
Miriam Lyons
02:56:03
You can see a depiction of the segments here Guy: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-29/climate-change-global-warming-six-groups-rebecca-huntley/11893384
Joy
02:56:23
Thanks Mim - useful.
joc
02:57:10
The adaptation issue is interesting, as adaptation has been part of the policy response to Climate change for a while now - should we be engaging on this?
Guy Harrison
02:57:15
thx Mim
Lyn S (Blue Mts)
02:57:45
Good idea alanraby
alanraby-HOBART ACTION GROUP
02:59:11
Anyone wonder why Rebecca uses the word BELIEF in her segmentation. That is language used by religious people. How about UNDERSTAND instead?
Ros B
02:59:33
Now much clearer Miriam
Eli
03:00:09
do you mean more detail about what the transition looks like? or about actual renewable technology?
Gabrielle Bond
03:01:37
South Australia!
Jan
03:01:53
The "job cre3ation" theme & misinformation about renewables is appearing from trolls on social media & comments sections. So its possible that has been tested & people are susceptible to the misinformation.
Joy
03:03:06
Could we please have some of those good examples Rebecca mentioned of communities that have made the transition to Renewables?
Ros B
03:03:06
Thanks Rebecca for clarifying this
Steve
03:03:10
King Island and Coober Pedy are also excellent small scale cases where renewables were increased to 65 to70% without storage. Hydro Tas is exporting this technology.
Fiona
03:04:01
I’m not understanding why we are not addressing the question ( which Stephanie Kelton addresses) of “how are we going to pay for it?” This seems to me to be the the question that many politicians and “influencers” use to perpetuate the idea that a transition to a Green Economy AND a simultaneous transition to Social Justice ( both locally and inter-nationally ) is unaffordable.
alanraby-HOBART ACTION GROUP
03:04:05
Here in TASMANIA the general public think the GREENIES killed off the FORESTRY jobs. Actually, my reading is that it has been MECHANISATION that has reduced actual jobs in forestry. This an example of how skewed understanding can become without some robust EXPLANATIONS. Sure if we had Palmer's budgets, I know.... Ummm.
Ros B
03:04:06
Thanks Steve
Gabrielle Bond
03:04:14
Repower Port Augusta https://bze.org.au/research/regional/repowering-port-augusta/
Jan
03:04:44
Lots of examples of renewable projects & info in this publication/website. https://reneweconomy.com.au/
Ros B
03:04:55
Lots of subsidies go to fossil fuels e.g. Adani
Joy
03:05:02
Thank you Ros B
Sally Anand
03:05:15
But many conservative Christians don't accept climate change because it they have a conservative world view and would say its no problem and God is in control
Joy
03:05:46
The "How are we going to pay for it" is very important
Joy
03:06:14
Absolutely Mim - the most important
Sally Anand
03:06:35
Is this presentation recorded to watch later ?
Fiona
03:06:39
The Deficit Myth etc!
Jan
03:06:58
It is being recorded
Gabrielle Bond
03:06:59
Yes, it’s being recorded Sally :-)
Kathryn
03:07:01
I have experienced the accusation from people that the climate change community is becoming like a 'religion' in itself, which is trying to convert them, which they use to invalidate the issue.
Anne Pender
03:07:12
compared to how do we pay for the fires and the floods? Denial costs heaps
Sally Anand
03:07:49
How can I access the recording of this presentation ?
robyn whale
03:07:50
correct Anne Pender
joc
03:08:19
Would cost of adaptation help counter that argument?
Ros B
03:08:40
Yeah joc
Steve
03:08:48
Hi Fiona, Australia will need new generation as old coal plants wear out at the end of their lives. To replace these plants, renewables plus storage are now cheaper, even as admitted by Turnbull: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-12/energy-verdict/11500712
robyn whale
03:08:51
the massive subsidies from the federal govt to the fossil fuel industry can be used to transition
Louise Newey - Sydney
03:09:55
Kathryn, I think that refers to the worry that conservatives have that we will change the order of things if we take action on cc - that they are being asked to change religion?
joc
03:09:58
What about the individual action vs govt policy reform argument? I’m hearing the individual action coming up again a nit
joc
03:10:09
bit
Fiona
03:10:26
It’s really hard to grasp that our politicians choose unemployment: poverty: homelessness: and adaptation over prevention - but the knowledge exists and the research and costing has been done to demonstrate this - and that we could move to a Green and Sustainable Economy that includes everyone with political will.
Sally Anand
03:10:46
Important to talk about health benefits of renewables compared to coal
Gabrielle Bond
03:11:00
So true Fiona
Fiona
03:11:08
Yes - and many other social benefits
Steve
03:11:43
Also, the government only needs to step aside and make sure the grid can handle dispersed generation. The private sector is paying for the generation already because of the fast payback for renewables.
Ros B
03:11:49
Thank u so so so much for this kind of info. We need a tight picture of the landscape of the economics -there is a bright gold pot after addressing transition fast
joc
03:11:54
Thank you!!
robyn whale
03:12:00
thank you Rebecca
beverlynerden
03:12:05
Thanks you
joc
03:12:07
clapping
Eli
03:12:07
Thank you Rebecca! More clapping
Kathryn
03:12:11
Thank you
andrewgrahammaude
03:12:11
thank you Rebecca
robyn whale
03:12:14
clap clap clap
Steve
03:12:31
Thanks Rebecca
Gabrielle Bond
03:12:57
Climate Conversation guide: http://bit.do/climateconvos
Louise Newey - Sydney
03:13:18
School pick up like Rebecca said
Miriam Lyons
03:13:21
Talking to strangers about the weather at the bus stop
Lyn S (Blue Mts)
03:13:23
Family, conservative!
kelly
03:13:31
older peoples groups
robyn whale
03:13:31
market stalls
joc
03:13:34
we do council / local festivals - at our GU action group stall
Sally Anand
03:13:35
coworkers
Louise Newey - Sydney
03:13:48
One girl asked me how to talk to her gran
grant
03:13:51
I work in the coal industry so I have to talk to coal miners
Ros B
03:13:53
The landcare volunteers who are rural conservative despite like nature they say we will sink without fossil fuels frustrating
Miriam Lyons
03:13:54
Friends who complain about climate but aren’t active
kelly
03:13:56
English language classes for newly arrived people
Ross Liddle (Barton AG)
03:13:57
talking to an old school friend who lives in Canberra
andrewgrahammaude
03:14:02
politicians
Kathryn
03:14:14
Older people who won't be around for much longer, so it won't affect them when they're gone.
Nicole Humphreys
03:14:31
sorry - have to leave (toddler not going to sleep!) - thanks for the information so far
Ros B
03:15:38
Shaun please get the volume Miriam seemed to access to make clear over my background noise thank u
andrewgrahammaude
03:16:06
business leaders, businesses
robyn whale
03:16:27
I'm hearing Shaun clearly
Annette
03:16:58
Gee Kathryn, i'm an 'older person' and been an activist before you were born.
Sally Anand
03:17:40
Go Annette - me too
Ros B
03:17:43
Shaun don't go low and conversational Please really say out loud
Gabrielle Bond
03:17:47
Climate Conversation guide: http://bit.do/climateconvos
susanneweress
03:17:47
Coal miners = 1.6% of workforce (31,000 employed) and highest paid at $2647/week. Who compensates them? Or do we pay them massive severance payments/pensions we pay politicians when not reelected? More interesting, healthier work is a hard sell if pay rates reduce 40%. This may be a cost to us all.
Miriam Lyons
03:19:26
In fact 84% of people think this!
Lyn S (Blue Mts)
03:20:26
Sorry folks, I need to go. Great info thanks.
Miriam Lyons
03:20:38
See you round Lyn :)
Miriam Lyons
03:21:34
There’s a bit of psychological research that feeds into this specific example Shaun’s going through now.
Gabrielle Bond
03:21:41
Hi Susanne, my view is we can’t have a Just Transition unless we can honestly say that no one will be left behind. Bernie Sanders’ Green New Deal plan offers impacted workers five years at their current salary to re-train.
Kathryn
03:23:12
Annette, just to clarify, that's what they said to me, not what I thought. It sounds very harsh, but it's disappointing they are people in my own family who said that. I know there are also many older people who are concerned for the next generation, and I wish my family could think the same way. Don't quite know how to help them be more concerned for others' futures.
Miriam Lyons
03:24:07
1. If you start with a point of agreement, you’ve already started the conversation with some common ground. 2. Displaying people’s views publicly, even in a small way helps them see themselves as the kind of person who takes public action on the issue
Miriam Lyons
03:25:11
Obviously folks should feel free to copy and adapt this format for a script for their own work in their own communities.
Online room 1
03:26:22
getup.org.au/training
Gabrielle Bond
03:26:32
Here’s the link to have a look at the posters: http://bit.do/renposters
Miriam Lyons
03:26:33
Hey Kathryn - how do you find those folks in your family respond to emotional, personal appeals?
Ros B
03:26:50
Shaun say I get s'one who would sign up to get up can I channel thst they only get emails just on Clim change topics actions etc etc but not the full bsrrage that I like but they prob wont
helenclemens
03:27:32
Echoing between people - establish like mindedness or common concern?
Ross Liddle (Barton AG)
03:27:35
Because its a way of deepening the connection with the person you're talking to
Miriam Lyons
03:27:36
https://www.facebook.com/groups/821253148304396/
Miriam Lyons
03:28:41
If you’re interested in ongoing support on having climate conversations in your community, I set up this Facebook group as a side-project: https://www.facebook.com/groups/821253148304396/
Steve
03:29:27
Sorry, earlier link didn't work. Here's the updated one: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-12/is-renewable-power-cheaper-than-coal-nuclear-malcolm-turnbull/11495558
Annette
03:30:31
There was a comment made earlier about older people not being interested or supportive because basically we are beyond caring at our before this is resolved. I would like to point out that those 'beliefs' are damaging. I am not only in this with others of my age, but for my children and grandchildren. Please don't judge and exclude older people. We have feelings and good solid values we have passed on to you
Louise Newey - Sydney
03:31:00
don’t have one
Miriam Lyons
03:32:00
Hi Annette - you may have missed it but Kathryn was referring to specific folks in her own family, not everyone…
andrewgrahammaude
03:32:04
smoke in Melbourne when I was there, visiting family and friends and taking a break
Ros B
03:32:32
Yay annette
Miriam Lyons
03:33:04
Agree stereotyping of any kind is very unhelpful when we’ll need to bring our whole communities with us
Sally Anand
03:33:20
I met a 92 year old lady who was very very concerned and told me if she was 20 she would join the extinction rebellion
Miriam Lyons
03:33:27
<3
Fiona
03:34:00
Isn’t an issue being raised here that of “survivor guilt”
Miriam Lyons
03:34:44
((((Ross)))) <3
Richard
03:34:59
I can vouch for the power of resonating I was involved in GetUp direct calling into Queensland before the last Federal election and most of the people I spike to who were up for a convo were anti GetUp etc but if you made them feel like they were being listened to they opened up and weren’t so shouty.
Gabrielle Bond
03:35:07
Thank you Ross
Kathryn
03:35:10
Miriam, they were surprised when I mentioned personal effects on health.Please read my comment at 8:13pm. My older family members have been saying these things. I'm sure you are very passionate for the futures of the next generations. I am too. Unfortunately some people are not, and it saddens me that some of these are in my family.
Fiona
03:35:18
My story here is that my ten year old grand-daughter asked me last week “Is the planet dying Nona?”
Sally Anand
03:36:02
Such a dreadful moment Fiona
Gabrielle Bond
03:36:02
Oh gosh :-(
Fiona
03:36:23
Yes - thank you for responding
Miriam Lyons
03:36:27
Oh Fiona, that sounds heartbreaking.
robyn whale
03:36:57
my grand daughter asked me a similar question...I told her the earth is sick, but lots of us are working hard to make her better
Gabrielle Bond
03:37:34
Feedback form: https://forms.gle/9natp7oXy43b7vph7
Fiona
03:37:54
Yes - truly dreadful - and I told her that it is - but I said - it’s dying very slowly - and there’s time - if we humans do something to save it very quickly - to save it
Gabrielle Bond
03:38:00
Previous trainings & resources: http://getup.org.au/training
Annette
03:38:17
Fantastic Response Robyn, positive and allowing her to know she can help in small ways too
Gabrielle Bond
03:38:19
Sign up here to volunteer: https://forms.gle/ukxjgRbYpqcHxW4T6
Gabrielle Bond
03:38:36
Join a climate constituency group: https://action.getup.org.au/climate_constituencies
Sally Anand
03:38:57
Shaun did well by remaining silent and listening and then tentatively responding to the feelings and using the name Ross - he then kept the door open for more disclosure from Ross
Gabrielle Bond
03:39:42
Feedback form again: https://forms.gle/9natp7oXy43b7vph7
Ros B
03:39:53
Can't hear u miriam
Sally Anand
03:40:33
Testing on strangers ?
Fiona
03:40:39
The Earth isn’t sick though - in and to itself - it is being destroyed and reacting in the ways it can to let us know it’s not a good thing for anyone or anything - we humans are destroying it -
Gabrielle Bond
03:40:44
Not necessarily..
Ros B
03:40:49
I am hardly sure of what this script is but yes yes yes
robyn whale
03:41:03
I was speaking to a five year old
Gabrielle Bond
03:41:04
Sign up here to volunteer: https://forms.gle/ukxjgRbYpqcHxW4T6
Dean Pratley
03:41:35
Thank you, people, I have to go now.
andrewgrahammaude
03:41:44
Thanks, good night, bye
Miriam Lyons
03:41:56
Go Sally!
Vincent Amos
03:41:59
Well, I don't really feel comfortable speaking out, but maybe.
Gabrielle Bond
03:42:17
Yay Vincent!
susanneweress
03:42:39
Good night and big thanks, very helpful and interesting too.
Miriam Lyons
03:42:50
Thanks Susan!
Miriam Lyons
03:42:53
Yay Ros!
Annette
03:42:57
My 6 year old granddaughter helped me go through my linen cupboards and asked our immediate neighbours for towels to drop to the local vets along the way on our last Esky run, she felt useful and so proud.
Gabrielle Bond
03:43:20
That’s great Annette!
Gabrielle Bond
03:43:59
Conversation guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DOKrIkBIptg1TzP6X2F7labgbtcJ29Xyi0c--8sb19A/edit
Ross Liddle (Barton AG)
03:44:06
Thx everyone, I'll have to leave now. Some gr8 training thanks so much
Miriam Lyons
03:44:14
Thanks Ross!
guymitchell
03:44:22
Thanks Getup! I got a lot out of the conversation training.
Beth Hill
03:44:37
Thanks everyone, this has been really interesting I have to get off the internet now.
Gabrielle Bond
03:44:38
Thanks Guy <3
Kathryn
03:45:08
That's lovely Annette, you would have felt very proud too.
Guy Harrison
03:45:14
Bye guys. Thanks so much! See you next time.
Ros B
03:47:41
Miriam talk up
Ros B
03:49:08
Can hear u well now
Anne Pender
03:50:13
I was wondering how asking direct questions compares to reflecting emotions/
Annette
03:50:22
With my business I travel to south coast towns, different areas, different reactions. I have been helping re-setting up community and school gardens to get fresh food back quickly. Cobargo have already got up to Stage 2 of a town recovery plan, from my first visits after the fire when there was anger, high anxiety and depression, feeling helpless, the feel is now they are taking back control piece by piece, planning their 'new' town to be better and the vibe is a lot more resilient and getting stronger, still pockets of anger and depression, but you can see them changing now they feel they have been heard by ordinary people visiting and supporting them
Online room 1
03:50:26
getup.org.au/training
Jan
03:50:56
Very powerful.
Anne Pender
03:51:02
certainly resonating....mainly in terms of her conflicted state of mind
Annette
03:51:09
Very powerful, and personal, I couldn't go outside either.
Ros B
03:51:17
We get idea of the need to respect where peole are at
Vincent Amos
03:51:22
I missed out on the letter writing training. It's a good thing they're recorded, though.
Gabrielle Bond
03:51:23
Annette I saw the same thing when I went to Christchurch after the earthquake
Kate Ilbery
03:51:38
really useful meeting - will definitely practice with some of of my “heart sink “ relatives for a start!- thanks very much.
Gabrielle Bond
03:51:46
Previous trainings & resources: http://getup.org.au/training
Annette
03:51:51
The trauma stays with you and things never feel quite the same after.
Ros B
03:52:29
This was grest thank u