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GNSO SPS Prep Webinar
Nathalie Peregrine
27:24
SPS Required Reading here :https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/14Z-GFdQ5Su-lQgriQVGaX9clA9Op4_Ld)
Nathalie Peregrine
30:01
Please note, I am muting phone lines and microphones as background noises occur, please remember to unmute both your phones/mics as well as the icons next to your names in the Zoom room if you have any questions/ comments.
Maxim Alzoba
30:44
hello all, can not use mic (midnight)
Rafik Dammak
30:56
Hello all
Nathalie Peregrine
31:03
@maxim, noted, thank you
Sam Lanfranco
31:21
Having trouble with audio. May leave and return.
Maxim Alzoba
31:23
misfortunate timing for me (IDN call is in 6 hours)
Nathalie Peregrine
32:19
@sam, noted, please let me know if you need assistance
Osvaldo Novoa
32:39
Hello all, sorry I’m late.
Sam Lanfranco
33:11
am back
Nathalie Peregrine
33:54
Welcome Osvaldo and welcome back Sam :)
Maxim Alzoba
37:47
quiz on operating procedures as team building? :)
Julf Helsingius
38:56
It is good in-flight reading...
Maxim Alzoba
39:28
+1 , I did so last year
Heather Forrest
40:18
@Maxim, you're an Ops Procedures rockstar!
Rafik Dammak
41:01
I guess that is because the annex for seat #14?
Rafik Dammak
41:07
Board seat
Mary Wong
41:13
@Rafik, I believe so, yes.
Julie Hedlund
41:39
Yes, that’s correct
Flip Petillion
41:51
Thx !
Heather Forrest
42:12
No changes needed to the Ops Procedures coming out of the guidelines and templates, thankfully.
Flip Petillion
42:12
Yes Thx !
Pam Little
42:17
@Flip - There is a table of version control at pps 35-39
Julie Hedlund
42:21
What Heather said :-)
Mary Wong
42:21
@Flip, there is an archive on the website: https://gnso.icann.org/en/ongoing-work/procedures-archive.htm
Mary Wong
42:57
I haven’t checked recently, but all the previous versions should be there (though possibly not in redline, sorry).
Carlton Samuels
43:02
I read them when I applied to the Nom Com. I would agree there might be some operational gaps. Philosophically and to me, a book with greater detail might just be good enough for automatons.
Becky Burr
52:25
I’ll stick to the picket fence
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
52:40
Ok!
Becky Burr
53:06
Or maybe not …
Johns McElwaine
54:20
Great points re: NTIA @Heather
Mary Wong
57:13
In case it’s helpful, a few of us the Policy Team support the Empowered Community as a whole and the Empowered Community Administration, working together with ICANN Legal.
Heather Forrest
57:52
The deck on EC responsibilities is critical reading for any Councilor (including old timers!). As we worked on developing various guidelines and templates for the GNSO over 2019, I realised there was much I took for granted or didn't understand fully about these powers. I offer my own mea culpa as encouragement for you all to get on top of this one rather than be caught out not knowing at a moment when you need to ;)
Steve Chan
58:12
Sharing again for those that joined after Nathalie shared in chat. Required reading for this pre-SPS webinar here: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/14Z-GFdQ5Su-lQgriQVGaX9clA9Op4_Ld)
Steve Chan
58:46
Including the deck Keith and Heather have mentioned.
Flip Petillion
59:06
@Heather: i learn every day
Heather Forrest
59:45
No problem, Keith
Mary Wong
01:06:50
From observing how each of the Decisional Participants have approached this in trying to update their internal processes, it does seem that the GNSO’s size, diversity and cadence/volume of work made it particularly challenging for the GNSO.
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
01:07:43
Noted Mary, thanks!
Tom Dale
01:08:27
Always harder in a “federation” structure.
Mary Wong
01:10:16
@Tom, yeah. And here, there’s really two layers: (1) each Decisional Participant’s internal processes (which, for all 5, needed to either be updated or created); and then (2) all 5 coming together as the EC through the EC Admin. Add the very tight deadlines and complex procedures to exercise EC powers under the Bylaws and it gets complicated …
Johns McElwaine
01:10:58
@Heather would it be worthwhile to go through a mock use of the EC powers?
Johns McElwaine
01:12:56
that was an easy one though. ;). let’s do a challenging one
Mary Wong
01:13:04
The ccNSO actually did a mock exercise (I think twice) before it kicked off the power Heather just mentioned - not that it was planned, but I’ve heard feedback that they thought the exercise was helpful.
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
01:20:17
Totally appropriate!
Heather Forrest
01:21:26
Thanks, Mary - very helpful. Indeed, it was up to us as the GNSO to figure out on our own how we carry out our responsibilities. The Bylaws only gives us some high-level requirements.
Heather Forrest
01:22:26
To be continued...! Looking forward to seeing you all in LA.
Becky Burr
01:22:48
that’s an understatement
Heather Forrest
01:23:46
Nothing from me, Keith
Heather Forrest
01:23:48
Thank you
Mary Wong
01:24:23
Except for the annual budget power, the need/occasion to exercise the other powers is unpredictable and (hopefully) infrequent. The thing is, once it hits, the Bylaws timelines for the EC are really tight, for the most part.
Heather Forrest
01:24:59
Thanks, Keith - another topic with, as yet, more questions than answers! Plenty for you all to discuss here in LA.
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
01:25:04
Time check: We have 30 minutes left for 3 topics, including Becky's preso on the Picket Fence.
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
01:27:54
It doesn't feel short! ;-)
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
01:31:41
Amen to that; nothing gets done without our ICANN colleagues.
Maxim Alzoba
01:31:47
there is no way out of the sausage machine
Heather Forrest
01:35:42
We have quite some way to go to getting ICANN Org to understand that the GNSO community is represented by a 3-person Council leadership team and by SG/C leaders, not just a Council Chair.
Heather Forrest
01:36:32
The burden of a highly effective Council leadership team, now that we've institutionalised working as a team, is that Councillors get a bit sloppy and assume: Leadership will do it!
Pam Little
01:40:23
Thanks for the comment/observation, Heather.
Pam Little
01:40:40
This is what I found in the Operating Procedures:
Pam Little
01:41:16
Specific Councilor obligations include:a. Active participation: a Councilor is expected to actively participate in the regular affairs of the GNSO Council including, inter alia, attending its scheduled meetings, staying abreast of the technical and administrative agenda, engaging inrelevant email and live discussions, reading minutes, evaluating reports, listening to meeting recordings (in the event of absence), asking questions that foster learning, voting responsibly on all matters before the Council, and periodically reviewing the performance of the Chair and Vice-Chairs.b. Reasonable inquiry: Councilors should request and receive sufficient information, including support from their Constituencies or Stakeholder Groups, as appropriate, so Councilors may carry out their responsibilities. When a problem manifests itself or some issue does not make sense, a Councilor has a duty to inquire into the surrounding facts and circumstances and seek guidance.
Heather Forrest
01:53:03
One thing I like to remind myself always (as a non-contracted party) is that this power that the community has to develop policy that ends up in the RA or RAA is a complete legal unicorn. The doctrine of privity of contract says that only the parties to a contract (for us, ICANN and a registry operator, or ICANN and a registrar) can decide what the terms of their contract are. What we're doing here in the GNSO Council, what Becky is describing, is a fundamental overriding of that doctrine, allowing those who are not party to that contract to have a say as to what's in the contract. This is a BIG deal that is truly legally unique.
Keith Drazek (Verisign)
01:54:32
Well said, Heather!
Mary Wong
01:55:23
@Heather and @Becky - to follow up in confirmation. The nett result is that there are only two ways to impose binding obligations on ICANN’s Contracted Parties: (1) via express bilateral contractual provisions; and (2) via automatically-binding (if approved by GNSO Council and then the Board) Consensus Policy (capital C and capital P).
Flip Petillion
01:56:35
Let’s not forget that the limits of possible contracts ICANN and parties can enter into, follow a community comment period.
Steve Chan
01:59:06
As you’re all probably aware, there is a more detailed set of picket fence slides in the Required reading folder, which covers some of the additional information Becky is talking about.
Becky Burr
02:00:54
I’m always happy to discuss this and I will be in LA
Becky Burr
02:01:01
yes, on the 23rd
Steve Chan
02:03:10
As a reminder, the high-level agenda was shared on the 20th, so it may have gotten lost in the shuffle of the holidays.
Steve Chan
02:03:18
20th of December of course.
Sam Lanfranco
02:03:32
Thanks to everybody and good luck in L.A. See my blue sky note on the list - to follow.
Pam Little
02:03:43
Thank you all
Pam Little
02:03:49
See you in LA
Flip Petillion
02:03:49
Thanks
Julf Helsingius
02:03:51
Thanks all!
Marie Pattullo
02:03:53
Thanks everyone
Carlton Samuels
02:03:58
Thank you all
Tom Dale
02:03:58
Thank you