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Cryonics Institute AGM - Shared screen with speaker view
Brian O'Neill
44:28
Hello from Denver!
Debbie Fleming
45:04
Hello everyone! Welcome!
Hank Lederer
45:12
Hello from Minnesota. Hank Lederer
Francis Goodall
45:18
Hello from Ireland :)
Roman Sitelew
45:30
hello from Germany:)
Canella Williams-Larrabee
45:41
Hi All, The Larrabee’s here from New Jersey
Josephine (Jacob) Johnson
45:58
Hello from Washington.
Debbie Fleming
46:13
Hey Connie!
Jose Cordeiro
47:40
Greetings to all from Jose Cordeiro in Madrid Spain: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josecordeiro/
Charles (Charles Tandy, Ph.D.)
47:45
Hell0
Chris Manning
48:56
Hello from Ferny Creek, Australia. Chris Manning
Roman Sitelew
49:17
no shared screen yet
Mati Roy
49:18
(oops, my previous post was just to panelists) Hi from Montreal!:)
Brian O'Neill
49:40
More of the kitty, please, Joe! LOL
karin
49:52
Hi from Karin in Florida!
Valeriy Retyunin
50:22
Greetings from Toronto
Tim Freeman
50:27
I can see Joe's presentation now.
Roman Sitelew
50:43
the video has no sound
Rodolfo Goya
50:51
Hi attendees, glad you could attend. Rudy Goya
Jose Cordeiro
50:52
Joe, Rudi, Mary Ruwart and many friends, great to see you, and I will be coming in out since I am also simultaneously in a space event: https://spacemastery.com/
Jakub Kokoska
50:57
Greetings to all from Pilsen, Czech republic, Europe
Brook Norton
50:59
no sound
Mati Roy
51:17
I think Denis said to not post here? anyway, I created a thread here to discuss: https://www.facebook.com/groups/cryonicists/permalink/1543345755872078/
Hank Lederer
51:34
is there a sound track?
amy thacker
51:35
can you start the video over with sound?
Åke Brännström
51:45
You may have to share computer audio if the video is supposed to have sound. In any case, hello from Sweden!
123 123
51:58
I also have no sound. Hello.
Tim Freeman
52:18
Dennis asked people to use the Q&A section instead of chatting here.
Theo Rogers
52:26
Hi all.
Valeriy Retyunin
52:49
I believe Q&A is specifically for questions to panelists
Douglas G
52:51
It is fine to use chat for conversations, but if you wan to ask a specific question, please use the Q & A
Mati Roy
52:52
Google says:<<-Click on the green "Share Screen" icon.-You will see a pop-up window where you select your desktop or application.-Click the check box in the lower left that says "Share computer sound">>
amy thacker
53:10
i can hear everyone talking , but no sound for the video
Douglas G
53:29
Thank you
Douglas G
53:40
We are trying to get the sound fixed and play the video later
Dave Bradley
53:45
I have no sound
Canella Williams-Larrabee
53:59
In order to hear a video on zoom whoever is playing the video from their computer can’t have headphones in.
Douglas G
54:33
Great to see the greetings from all over the world. Thanks for attending to all!
Douglas G
54:45
Thanks for the sound tips as well.
Dave Bradley
55:17
headphones, no headphones -- NO sound
Tim Freeman
55:47
Is the intent to present slides? I'm not seeing slides.
Brian O'Neill
55:59
@Dave: Hover on the lower right of the screen and select Audio Settings. Try changing your choice of sound speaker and see if that works for you.
123 123
56:15
To hear sound press join audio button.
Dave Bradley
56:25
tried that -- no go
Dave Bradley
56:40
. . btw, mine is on the lower left
Brian O'Neill
56:47
@Dave: You might have to exit the Zoom and then come back in to get sound.
Brian O'Neill
56:57
And apologies, yes, lower left
Dave Bradley
57:11
NOT using Zoom, in browser
Douglas G
57:20
Some presenters will be sharing slides, but not everyone.
123 123
57:33
Try a different browser.
123 123
57:41
I'm using firefox
Douglas G
58:31
Hi Brian - this is Douglas Golner. I think we met last year. Thanks for the tech support!
Brian O'Neill
59:08
@Douglas - no worries, after the first hundred Zoom calls I've had to be in, I've learned just enough to get me in serious trouble LOL
Dave Bradley
59:34
. . .tried opera and vivaldi -- both private/non windows
Mati Roy
59:42
I didn't get that. SP500 went up by ~10% last year, but CI's investment drop? I guess I'll reread the PDF afterward, I think I missed something ^^
Douglas G
01:00:01
:-) Thanks - and a webinar adds all kinds of new options to deal with.
Dave Bradley
01:00:03
. . . browser should NOT matter
Douglas G
01:01:11
Dave, we are going to try video again a little later. I believe we might have an issue on our end, so thank you for your patience.
Chris Manning
01:01:52
That's the first time I have ever heard "Luyckx" pronounced. Thanks.
Douglas G
01:02:09
Hi Chris - glad you made it!
Chris Manning
01:02:38
I am delighted that this is even possible. And my first AGM with no jetlag!
Brian O'Neill
01:03:02
The host has to enable you screen sharing, whomever the host is. Is that Dennis?
Mati Roy
01:03:07
yeah, I wish there was a remote option every year ^^
Francis Goodall
01:03:26
My first AGM, great to see so much activity here :)
Alexey
01:03:37
great to be there from NYC )
Theo Rogers
01:04:22
nope
Douglas G
01:04:23
:-) Yes, we are very glad we can have so many more people
Roman Sitelew
01:04:23
nope
Brian O'Neill
01:04:24
Welcome to your first AGM, Francis!
Jakub Kokoska
01:04:25
No, not yet
Frank Wilson
01:04:35
nope
Brian O'Neill
01:04:48
It's on, Steve!
Francis Goodall
01:04:58
Yup!
Valeriy Retyunin
01:04:59
yep
Frank Wilson
01:05:01
yes
Jakub Kokoska
01:05:02
Yes, now it is fine
Douglas G
01:05:28
We are planning to offer streaming for future live meetings too, so more people can attaned.
Douglas G
01:05:32
attned
Douglas G
01:05:46
attend!
Francis Goodall
01:06:06
Gremlins :)
Douglas G
01:06:17
Yes!
Mati Roy
01:08:13
yay, that's great news @Douglas :D
Francis Goodall
01:08:43
Agreed, the trip from Ireland is a little long but I do intend to visit the facility at some point :)
Mati Roy
01:08:58
who attended Alcor's meeting yesterday?
Tim Freeman
01:09:26
I did.
Douglas G
01:09:45
BRB
Rayah
01:09:54
I did as well
Chris Manning
01:12:05
Hello Mati! Who else is here who I know? Guy, are you here?
Mati Roy
01:13:57
hi Chris!:)
Mati Roy
01:14:12
it's nice that CI took a Zoom membership to have more than 100 participants unlike Alcor yesterday
Douglas G
01:14:54
Yes, we upgraded to a maximum of 500 for this meeting.
Douglas G
01:15:15
Is Chuck Bartl here?
marc laucks
01:15:32
Smart move on the upgrade!
Mati Roy
01:16:03
nice porch ^^
Douglas G
01:16:11
Yes, this was one of the reasons we asked for registration so we could see how many people we could expect.
Mati Roy
01:16:35
well done!:)
Brian O'Neill
01:16:42
Joe, you're on!
Francis Goodall
01:16:43
Yup!
Roman Sitelew
01:16:46
yes
Chris Manning
01:17:01
Hello Joe. I have been in that backyard! No marshmallow roast this year.
Brian O'Neill
01:17:03
We can also see your detailed notes LOL
Tim Freeman
01:17:12
See full screen.
Douglas G
01:17:27
:-) Yes brain, glad you fixed that.
Douglas G
01:17:32
He sorry
Rudi Hoffman
01:17:51
I love the "Afterparty" at Joe's house on the AGMs!
Douglas G
01:17:53
Glad HE fixed that
Chris Manning
01:18:07
Hello Rudi!
Douglas G
01:18:10
My typing is atrocious today
chuck bartl
01:18:18
Doug…Yes, I am here (Chuck Bartl)
Douglas G
01:18:30
Hey Chuck - glad you could make it! :-)
Mati Roy
01:18:30
hopefully I'll be invited to that hot party next time :P
Mati Roy
01:18:35
sounds fun
Mati Roy
01:20:07
I wonder what fraction of people here aren't already signed up for cryo (given Joe is pitching cryo ^^)
Douglas G
01:20:26
FYI all, Dennis is going to try the video again shortly, so fingers crossed
Francis Goodall
01:20:38
🤞🏻
Jose Cordeiro
01:24:11
@Joe: you look younger in that video :-)
Chris Manning
01:24:25
Yes, he does.
Rudi Hoffman
01:24:50
What a great idea and presentation by Joe K.
Rudi Hoffman
01:25:13
I have donated In the past, and need to donate more
Jakub Kokoska
01:25:45
Yes, I do indeed
Chris Manning
01:26:43
My great-aunt died of kidney disease in 1963. I don't think dialysis was available then.
Rudi Hoffman
01:27:27
My good friend had a lung transplant, still died two very difficult years later.
Chris Manning
01:27:29
Or transplants. I remember well the first heart transplant.
Rudi Hoffman
01:29:36
Joe has been doing a good job "pounding the drum" on this project...for years.
Chris Manning
01:30:03
I'm still awake!
Brian O'Neill
01:30:19
www.cryoprize.info
Jakub Kokoska
01:31:15
Thank you!
Roman Sitelew
01:31:21
great presentation
Chris Manning
01:31:28
Thank you Joe.
Douglas G
01:31:32
Important to remember transplant research funded by the cryoprize should also impact cryonics revival progress.
Brian O'Neill
01:31:35
Rudi! Rudi! Rudi!
karin
01:31:57
great idea!
marc laucks
01:32:16
Bravo!
Francis Goodall
01:32:26
Yes!
Tim Freeman
01:32:42
Can see Rudy's screen.
Mati Roy
01:33:41
another cryo prize if you're itnerested: https://www.brainpreservation.org/aspirational-neuroscience-prize/
Daniel Meade
01:35:17
Thanks, Mati Roy!
Jose Cordeiro
01:37:11
Yes, free is good :-)
Chris Manning
01:37:12
:-)
Daniel Meade
01:37:15
Thanks, Rudi!
Debbie Fleming
01:37:16
Woohoo! Free!
Mati Roy
01:37:23
free :o :)
Francis Goodall
01:37:37
Free and not subject to customs fees :D
Chris Manning
01:41:03
Is it only applicable in the US?
Francis Goodall
01:42:10
Here
Chris Manning
01:42:20
I have cryonics life insurance.
123 123
01:42:55
Douglas G
01:44:16
Chris, you may want to add that question to the Q & A so Rudi can answer during the Q & A session. Please provide context and address it to Rudi.
Mati Roy
01:45:32
I don't recommend index universal life policy; I did the math and compared notes with experts, and seems much better to take whole life policy and invest on the side
Jose Cordeiro
01:45:34
I am consolidating a small cryonics group in Spain, and we suspended our first patient in 2016. Glad to connect with others who want to collaborate with cryonics in Europe, so kindly connect, please: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josecordeiro/
Jose Cordeiro
01:46:32
@Rudi: we also translated Rudi´s book, THE AFFORDABLE IMMORTAL, into Spanish, glad to help with other books too!
Tim Freeman
01:46:48
Not a question, really: the life insurance policy is only as permanent and guaranteed as the life insurance company. New York Life didn't keep the promises they made about ROI for their whole life insurance. I was involved in that class action lawsuit, but the only thing that came out of it was a coupon that would have permitted me to buy more life insurance from them. Better to get term life and invest your money outside of the life insurance policy.
Mati Roy
01:48:16
@Tim, that's what I did personally, term + investment. but I suggest whole for people that have a hard time putting money aside for investing it
Jakub Kokoska
01:48:17
Thanks, very helpful
Rudi Hoffman
01:49:14
Great comments, thank you,
Brian O'Neill
01:49:16
Term life insurance is generally great if you're under 40 and can get a 20 year term; much more problematic if over 50. Rudi is a tremendous source to go through all the options and figure things out. I've used him since about 2005 for several different instruments.
Rudi Hoffman
01:49:30
Wow...thanks, Brian!
Francis Goodall
01:49:56
I’ll just have to hope the guidelines in the book work over here with our laws :)
Rudi Hoffman
01:50:12
And, the term we make available is upgradeable with no evidence of insurability.
Francis Goodall
01:52:13
It’s coming through
Tim Freeman
01:52:47
Can see Ruwart's talk, but not full screen.
Mati Roy
01:53:08
if anyone wants to connect here, send me a DM https://www.facebook.com/mati.roy.09 :)
Brian O'Neill
01:53:54
I'm going to have to jump off as I'm driving home today; good to see everyone again; fingers crossed for in-person in 2021
Douglas G
01:54:49
Thanks for coming Brian - good to "see" you again.
Rudi Hoffman
01:56:17
Thanks for coming, Brian O'N.
Mati Roy
01:58:25
ooooh boy, it's a large stretch to say this is related to cryonics; I would skip that one at a CI's AGM in the future, just because it's not related
Chris Manning
01:58:47
Yes, I was thinking the same thing.
Rudi Hoffman
02:00:16
I now consider myself officially to be a "recovering libertarian." I now recognize that there IS such a thing as the "public good". And I would be HAPPY to have the NIH provide Organ Preservation funding.
Rudi Hoffman
02:00:41
And, I agree this is a little (?) off topic. Arguably.
Chris Manning
02:01:59
How much of this is relevant outside the US?
Mati Roy
02:02:12
yeah! I think each political ideology could argue that theirs is better for cryo. I think it's fine to discuss this, but it can be an alienating topic (unfortunately) and barely relevant to a CI's AGM
Francis Goodall
02:02:44
I can see that it’s good to think about who we would want in control of our countries economies - I am not sure there is a universal answer that suits everyone though :)
Jose Cordeiro
02:02:47
@Mary Ruwart: great presentation as always. Greetings from your Venezuelan friend now self-exiled in Spain :-)
karin
02:04:14
interesting talk
Mati Roy
02:04:30
I'm very sympatethic toward libertarianism, but it seems almost dogmatic within cryo
Mati Roy
02:05:02
@Rudi, re public good, I like to frame negative externalities as violating the non-aggression principle
Chris Manning
02:05:10
It's nearly 50 years now since my mother gave me a copy of "The Prospect of Immortality"!
Rudi Hoffman
02:05:18
And it was an interesting talk, Mary...and I still agree with most of the basic ideologies documented.
Mati Roy
02:05:18
:o
Mati Roy
02:05:49
@Chris, wow nice! how did your mother learned about it?
Chris Manning
02:06:15
I think she found it in a secondhand shop or charity shop.
Chris Manning
02:07:24
My mother used to give me things she had found, and newspaper cuttings, about subjects of common interest.
Mati Roy
02:07:54
wow!
Mati Roy
02:08:10
is ze signed up or cryopreserved?
Chris Manning
02:08:18
Don't forget: Space travel is utter bilge. (The British Astronomer Royal I think)
Rudi Hoffman
02:08:38
I always love these bright guys making unbright comments...
Chris Manning
02:09:00
My mother died and was buried 2 years ago.
Mati Roy
02:09:26
damn, I'm sorry:(
Chris Manning
02:09:52
I posted about it to various cryonics groups.
Francis Goodall
02:10:12
My condolences Chris, I know what it’s like missing my mum as well
Rudi Hoffman
02:11:23
My condolences as well, Chris. My Mom was disinterested, I told her I'd pay for it. Dad would have signed up if he didn't die too early. Every involutary death is a tragedy, imo.
Paul Hagen
02:11:33
I could listen to David for hours.
Rudi Hoffman
02:12:08
Some great thoughts and presentation, David Ettinger!
Mati Roy
02:12:24
yeah, so maybe patients with long delays:(
Mati Roy
02:14:57
I made some graph about cryonics growth here if you're interested: https://timelines.issarice.com/wiki/Timeline_of_brain_preservation
Francis Goodall
02:15:33
Congratulations to all re-elected people :)
Mati Roy
02:15:45
thanks to everyone who took the time to participate to the voting:)
Debbie Fleming
02:15:55
Congrats to my fellow directors
Rudi Hoffman
02:16:11
Congratulations to all who are elected and even those who were not for your engagement!
Chris Manning
02:16:20
Could those numbers be posted please?
Douglas G
02:17:16
Election numbers will posted to the web site as well as in the next issue of the CI Newsletter.
Chris Manning
02:17:48
I want them now! :-) I couldn't write them down fast enough.
Douglas G
02:18:38
:-) If you like, feel free to ask Dennis to repeat those in the Q & A.
Warren Lerner
02:18:46
There is a tremendous amount of civil unrest in this country that I have been directly affected by, Out of here.
Chris Manning
02:18:54
I suspect that rioters would not come near CI. Having been there twice I don't get that impression.
Paul Richter
02:21:24
how about using a micro chip instead of bracelet
Paul Richter
02:22:30
wht about pledging real estate to fund suspension
Francis Goodall
02:22:52
Very good advice here, when large sums of money are floating around people do start acting strange instead of thinking of other’s wishes
Rudi Hoffman
02:24:14
Thank you, Francis and others.
Douglas G
02:24:37
Paul, if you want panelists to see your questions, please use the Q & A feature instead of chat for those. Presenters are not closely following chat but they are reviewing the Q & A.
Paul Richter
02:25:30
what about implementation of emergency plan at CI during this time of Covid19 as you could die die very quickly
Michael Harrop
02:27:13
Joe Kowalsky have you posted your organization info on /r/cryonics? If not, I would recommend doing that.
Rudi Hoffman
02:28:04
Yes, I agree bond exposures are currently low. The actual asset allocations are specified in your cryonics trust and instructions to Raymond James. The idea, of course, is to maintain a safe "Real" return...i.e. return after taxes and inflation.
Paul Richter
02:29:43
if you have a terminal fatal disease has CI sent up a hospice in the area?
Jose Cordeiro
02:29:43
MARY RUWART: great to see your presentation, as always! As I fellow libertarian, I feel that socialists usually complain that cryonics should be banned because poorer people might not be able to afford it, what would your answer be?
Mati Roy
02:30:27
bond exposures seems mostly useful if you want to have low variance short term, so might not be useful for CI
Mati Roy
02:30:30
AFAIU
Tim Freeman
02:31:06
I second the question about CI having a hospice.
Mati Roy
02:31:18
I would love to see neuro at CI; would be more affordable
Mati Roy
02:32:26
some of my family members might die because of that otherwise
karin
02:32:53
I third the hospice. it would lessen obstacles to your wishes.
Douglas G
02:33:26
Again, note to all please use the Q & A to pose questions to the panelists. Not all of them are reviewing chat but they are reviewing the Q & A.
Theo Rogers
02:33:56
Perhaps the most achievable way of achieving the same goal would be to have some kind of arrangement with an existing hospice nearby?
Dennis M
02:34:19
How many people are you aware of, that have already moved to the area in/around CI because they have signed up with CI?
Theo Rogers
02:34:19
@Joe you have a beautiful cat!
Joe Kowalsky
02:35:46
Thank you Theo!
Theo Rogers
02:36:05
:-)
Mati Roy
02:37:23
anyone here visited the FDA Holocaust Museum? ^^
Mati Roy
02:38:05
I wonder if it's still opened
Jose Cordeiro
02:38:45
QUESTION: how do you work with patients in Europe? We had a patient in 2016 in Spain, and we finally sent our patient to a new neuro facility in Germany, much closer and safe!
Mati Roy
02:38:47
if you have a neurodegenerative disease, your identity could be destroyed before you legally die
John Krug
02:38:51
I hope CI or some other reliable provider prefers not to have the neuro option... Science over horror movie/reality shows.... Thanks!!
Mati Roy
02:40:00
John, because of people that have this opinion, some of my family members might literally be permenently erased from this universe
Jose Cordeiro
02:40:34
ANOTHER QUESTION: will you ever consider neuropatients? Ever in the future? Or absolutely never?
Tim Freeman
02:41:21
Mati, is the problem that your family members pay attention to the horror movie/reality shows, or that your family members are aware that some providers provide neuro?
Mati Roy
02:42:08
neither, the problem is that there isn't a cheaper cryo option. CI could offer a cheaper option by offering neuro
Francis Goodall
02:50:28
woooo
Daniel Meade
02:51:05
Really nice video
marc laucks
02:51:39
Yes, I agree—very well done
marc laucks
02:52:15
He’s patient—I know, he’s dealt with me as a client :)
Rudi Hoffman
02:52:58
LOL...Thanks, Marc Laucks!
Jakub Kokoska
02:54:53
thank you
Rudi Hoffman
02:55:27
I agree that is not a good idea to offer neuros.
Jose Cordeiro
02:56:01
QUESTION: how do you work with patients in Europe? We had a patient in 2016 in Spain, and we finally sent our patient to a new neuro facility in Germany, much closer and safe!
Hank Lederer
02:56:04
The $28k fee is so low, neuro wouldn't help.
karin
02:56:55
is immortalist society open to all?
amy thacker
02:56:58
andy is who took my first call to CI when i discovered it! He was so wonderful to me explaining the process of getting my cat there!
Rudi Hoffman
02:57:19
THANK YOU EVERYONE... Let's put this official AGM in the "win" column...and hope to see you LIVE next year!
Douglas G
02:57:37
Yes, thank you to everyone who attended.
marc laucks
02:57:44
I just joined CI last week—after 8 years at another provider and I agree, Andy was fantastic!
John Krug
02:58:23
Thanks for having the CI AGM online this year!! Live Long & Prosper!! Take care!!
Jose Cordeiro
02:58:59
Excellent meeting... and … Live Long and Prosper… https://lifeboat.com/ex/big.chronology.of.life.on.earth
Joe Kowalsky
03:04:04
Peace and Long Life!
Daniel Meade
03:04:25
Thanks for sharing, I learned a lot!
Francis Goodall
03:04:31
Thank you all for making this an online event so that I was able to attend :)
karin
03:04:40
Long life to all!
Francis Goodall
03:08:53
To err is human, to foul it up completely requires a computer!
Rudi Hoffman
03:10:56
Absolutely....Joe and Valerie...Romina...
Rudi Hoffman
03:11:58
Facility looks REALLY great...highly professional. The new floor and lighting are amazing in person.
Rudi Hoffman
03:13:20
I have a picture of me halfway up that ladder...
Chris Manning
03:14:16
I asked Andy about that once. He explained that automatic measuring methods can and do fail.
Chris Manning
03:16:11
Point nicely illustrated.
Rudi Hoffman
03:17:06
Good financial decision making. Cryonicists should be long term thinkers and planners...bravo Pat Heller.
Alex Dubrovsky
03:18:43
Thank you!
Chris Manning
03:18:58
I am happy to stay on a bit longer.
Frank Escandell
03:19:13
Greetings from Spain
Francis Goodall
03:19:44
Take care everyone, see you all in person soon!
Jakub Kokoska
03:19:46
Bye bye everybody!