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OLC Live! Teaching and Learning In A Time Of Uncertainty - Shared screen with speaker view
Dr. Deborah "Dr. DJ" Johnson-Blake
01:09
Hello
Dr. Deborah "Dr. DJ" Johnson-Blake
02:49
Dr. Deborah Johnson-Blake, Atlanta, Georgia, Liberty University and Concordia University-Texas
Zeren
04:41
No.
Zeren
04:50
Only the person sharing the slides can share the sound
Maha Bali
05:07
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIoOiHOel34
Zeren
05:38
no
Zeren
06:04
There you go!
Dr. Deborah "Dr. DJ" Johnson-Blake
06:09
Sounds great!
Maha Bali
06:10
hi everyone :)
Stephanie Douglass
06:32
Hi!
wvelez-torres
06:38
It is from adele
queenogbomo
12:53
Hello everyone, Queen from Tennessee Tech
Maha Bali
13:45
what is this song Amy? I love it
deborahhaines
14:01
Hello from Bay Mills Community College, on Lake Superior
Suzanne Dunn
14:02
Hello all. Suzanne Dunn, Instructional Designer and adjunct for Northcentral University joining from Portland, OR.
wvelez-torres
14:29
Hi all Wendy from Baltimore
Liz Beaty
14:31
Hi! I'm the College of Engineering Distance Learning Program Manager at Texas Tech in Lubbock, TX.
Franny French
14:35
Hello!
Franny French
14:44
Hi, Maha!
Franny French
14:56
Nice music
Nguyen Pham Dorvilus
14:58
Greetings! I’m Nguyen. PK-12 School Counselor from Massachusetts.
Suzy Prentiss
14:58
Hello everyone! I teach Communication online and am joining from Central Florida.
Renee Petrina
15:03
Renee from Indiana … and I feel your violin pain; I have a kid who started at age 3. He's 4.5 now and … not that much better.
deborahhaines
15:15
I teach art history online…
Franny French
15:43
Great subject. I ALMOST minored in Art History.
Kim Mishkind
15:43
Hi everyone, I teach Data Analysis at CSU Bakersfield.
Jala
15:48
Hello, from the Hypothesis team here in (almost sunny) Portland, Oregon!
Susan Braun
15:53
I’m Susan from Albuquerque, NM and I teach Art and Architectural history part-time at Central New Mexico Community College.
Maha Bali
15:54
hi Ja;a
Maha Bali
15:56
Jala
Kathleen Hagan
16:00
Aloha, I'm Kathleen- I teach Nursing at UH Maui College.
Summer Behling
16:02
hey y'all. Summer, I use she/her pronouns, work at Tulane in New Orleans
Valeria BL
16:05
Hello from Chicago, this is Valeria Benson-Lira, teach Earth Science at Oakton Community College
Carl Badenhorst
16:10
Hi everyone, Carl from Cape Town, South Africa. Loved the conversation about glue
Franny French
16:15
Maui. So jealous!
Stephanie Douglass
16:36
The conversation has been great and enjoyable.
Kate Jordahl
16:38
Kate Jordahl, Foothill College, Los Altos Hills, CA - OLC Board Meeting
Angela Gunder (she/her/hers)
16:40
The Verve!
Rob Piercy
16:42
Rob. ID. Northern Illinois University.
Andrea White
16:43
Hello from Indiana University Bloomington
Alice Duszkiewicz
16:45
Alice Duszkiewicz RN nursing instructor D"Youville Buffalo, NY
Angela Gunder (she/her/hers)
16:46
Bittersweet Symphony
Stephanie Douglass
16:49
HI. I'm Stephanie, and Instructional Designer at Jacksonville State University, AL.
Lisa Pertillar Brevard
16:51
Hello from the Blue Ridge Mountains! I am Lisa Pertillar Brevard, Assoc. Dir. General Education, Walden University.
Donna Love
16:55
Dir. of Online Technology at Rochester University in MI
Deanna MKR
16:59
Deanna, producer/director from UH Maui College
Rob Piercy
17:09
love the song. Nike commercial song back in the day.
Elissa Routh
17:13
Hi, Elissa from Lake of the Ozarks, MO. CMU
Renee Petrina
17:25
When not being a music parent, I am an instructional design manager focused on my university's MOOC portfolio.
Sam Day
17:32
Hiya--Sam Day, ID from University of Illinois at Chicago.
whitney lytle
17:33
Faculty Development and anthro instructor at Alamo Colleges in San Antonio, Tx
Becky Benkert
18:13
We need a link to the OLC playlist!
Maryasha Katz
18:44
YAY for providing captioning!!!
(OLC) Amy Schoenrock
19:14
Here's the group we had playing: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZPXSSHQZrFlH0c3AMmw2nQ
(OLC) Amy Schoenrock
19:22
(Thanks to Maha for sharing!)
Maha Bali
19:38
Angela your hospitality is so beautiful <3
Becky Benkert
19:39
Thank you!
Kate Jordahl
19:54
Hi Nate
Sam Day
19:58
Sounds great
Maha Bali
20:54
www.virtuallyconnecting.org :)
Doris Toney
21:29
http://virtuallyconnecting.org/
Angela Gunder (she/her/hers)
21:29
Feeling gratitude for all of you here
Heather @ Worsham College
21:35
Inspired, thankful, and excited
Matt Crosslin
21:44
Hi all! I am in plague-ridden Texas because people refuse to wear masks!
Angela Gunder (she/her/hers)
22:03
@Matt - we have the same here in Arizona
Angela Gunder (she/her/hers)
22:12
People give us mean looks for wearing masks
Ebony Palmer
22:12
Grateful
Rosa Medina Riveros
22:15
excited about this!
Giselle Pempedjian
22:17
Hello from Beirut, Lebanon Enjoying the presentations!
Rolando Mendez
22:26
Me too
Suzy Prentiss
22:30
Feeling empowered
Rolando Mendez
22:30
The breakfasts
Jim Luke
22:31
Hi all! Hi Maha <hugs>
Liz Beaty
22:32
we all miss that!!
Ebony Palmer
22:34
@Matt I live in Dallas. I wish everyone will take a break from socializing.
Angela Gunder (she/her/hers)
22:36
Missing hugs for sure
Maryasha Katz
22:36
offering virtual hugs!
Rolando Mendez
22:36
The chats in the halls between sessions
Rolando Mendez
22:39
at the FG station
Franny French
22:41
Virtual hug to you!
Kate Jordahl
22:43
HUG (VIRTUAL) HUG
Doris Toney
22:46
Hello I am from Henry Ford College in Michigan
moses.omuya
22:58
Moses
Stephanie Douglass
22:59
Hanging in there. Glad to have this conference to learn. I'm new to being an ID, and I started my position 2.5 weeks before getting sent home for the pandemic. So, it's been interesting learning my new position from home. :)
Jim Luke
23:27
Prayers, Maha. We in Detroit were there w the hospitals in early April.
Matthew Correia
23:35
Maha, You bring up a good point, connectedness. How can we do this in online environment?
Heather @ Worsham College
23:37
@Stephanie - what a perfect place to find your mentors!
Carl Badenhorst
23:57
We’re still waiting for the pandemic to peak in South Africa
moses.omuya
24:01
Hello everyone, American University of Nigeria
Stephanie Douglass
24:09
@Heather- yes. I've met a couple already. I'm appreciative.
Nate Angell
26:19
could someone find and share the link to Maha’s “un invent” tweet?
Heather @ Worsham College
26:40
https://twitter.com/Bali_Maha/status/1269012146211430403
Rolando Mendez
27:42
Like I said (and I will be keep saying it), it blew my mind
Angela Gunder (she/her/hers)
27:51
Feel free to share questions here in the chat or raise your hand to grab the mic :)
Brian Clark
28:08
Thanks for the session, gotta go
Maha Bali
28:55
blogpost: https://blog.mahabali.me/educational-technology-2/changing-the-conversation-around-cheating-olcinnovate/
Heather @ Worsham College
29:24
How do we inspire creativity in faculty who are "set in their ways?"
Rolando Mendez
29:31
Since Monday I have been thinking how can we find a common language between social justice and compliance. Online learning is highly regulated and as a result some of the practices we adopt take us away from working towards that goal
Rolando Mendez
31:14
If only I had hear that before planning all the PF activities for faculty post shutdown!
Rolando Mendez
31:20
*PD
George Station
32:07
Loving BOTH hammer-nail analogies, hee hee
Heather @ Worsham College
32:42
Super helpful! Thank you! :D
Rolando Mendez
32:48
Faculty that take on administrative/senior administrative roles are often seen as if they had “sold your soul”
Maha Bali
32:51
hi George
George Station
33:19
Hi Maha! Good to see you “live” today
Jim Luke
33:57
Agree. Focusing on tools first is ultimately reductionist and leads to overwhelming focus on content instead of pedagogy, activity, creativity, and connection.
Renee Petrina (she/her)
34:02
Awesome question, Rolando! I often describe it as the LMS being functionally controlled by the faculty -- something people often don't consider.
Nate Angell
34:23
If anyone hasn’t visited the annotated conversation on Maha’s article that related to/helped shape her keynote, you can visit it and if you wait a beat, all the annotations will open that you can then contribute to: https://hyp.is/go?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.al-fanarmedia.org%2F2020%2F05%2Fliteracies-teachers-need-during-covid-19%2F&group=__world__
Ramez Habib
34:31
Hello Dr. Maha :))what about those of faculty who have been giving the same material for several years now (say +30 for example).The course becomes super systematic and there might be even no proper common ground (communication between both the students and the professor)
Liz Beaty
34:53
I've had the technology conversation with professors who tell me that Zoom works for them but ask if they should switch to Blackboard Collaborate. I tell them no … stick with whatever tool works to deliver their content.
Maha Bali
35:16
https://blog.mahabali.me/educational-technology-2/changing-the-conversation-around-cheating-olcinnovate/
Rolando Mendez
36:29
The thing is many faculty members aren’t willing to shift to other ways of evaluating work
Deanna MKR
37:46
@Rolando: so true
Rolando Mendez
39:49
Me too
Rolando Mendez
39:52
It’s so cold
Rolando Mendez
39:58
and mechanic
Kate Jordahl
40:03
The positive (unintended) consequences of good teaching
Matt Crosslin
40:11
We had a cognitive psychology professor derail a meeting the other day because they only wanted to focus on memorization. Its hard to get faculty to realize there are other goals in other courses.
Heather @ Worsham College
40:12
+1 Kate
Maha Bali
40:22
that is sad
Deanna MKR
40:52
Here too
Jill Schweitzer
40:54
I wonder if you could say more about how you prioritize student well-being/care over content in your courses. You mentioned this in your keynote.
Franny French
40:55
Good luck in PR! Best safe
Franny French
41:04
Be safe….
Rolando Mendez
41:07
Thank you
Maha Bali
41:10
I"ll come bac kto your question Jill inshallah
Renee Petrina (she/her)
41:14
+1 to Jill's question
Liana
42:28
I think the pandemic made visible the struggles are students have already been going through.
Matt Crosslin
42:45
Agree. Not a time to try and be neutral.
Rolando Mendez
43:07
@Liana, so true. That happened to us after Hurricane Maria. Some of our students’ stories were heartbreaking
Matt Crosslin
43:13
I told my school they would be killing students if they have on campus courses this fall. They were not happy with me.
Lara Tompkins
43:28
https://hybridpedagogy.org/
D'Nita Andrews Graham
43:52
Matt is your school planning to open this fall?
Rolando Mendez
43:53
@Matt I can’t understand why some institutions are still insisting on going f2f this fall.
Stephanie Douglass
44:16
I think part of wanting to go f2f is financial.
deborahhaines
44:25
How are you defining neutral?
Heather @ Worsham College
44:30
Optimism as a form of self-delusion during the pandemic
wvelez-torres
44:34
we are going 80% online 20% f2f
Deanna MKR
44:44
I beleive a lot of social pressure to go f2f is another factor
Matt Crosslin
44:55
We have 7 levels of courses (Online 1, 2, F2F, Hybrid 1 2, 3, 4) for Fall that faculty can choose for themselves.
Rolando Mendez
45:06
@Wendy the professional schools want to go back f2f, and is mostly because of accreditation issues
deborahhaines
45:07
gotta be optimistic
Deanna MKR
45:08
believe
Rolando Mendez
45:11
Ugh!
Carl Badenhorst
45:17
The pandemic has really exposed the the digital divide. The obsession with webinars has really disadvantaged students who don’t have devices, data etc..
wvelez-torres
45:22
only those course that need to meet f2f (like labs or simulations) will meet f2f everything else online
Rolando Mendez
45:26
Definitely Carl!
Billie Lunt
45:39
our curriculum demands on campus opportunity for students. We are facing many obstacles for learning with the current guidelines. (Dentistry)
Stephanie Douglass
45:45
I agree that those who need f2f should come to campus. There's just some courses that can't be done online.
KJ
45:53
We're going to be mostly online, respecting the many types of work and concerns and health issues students represent, with some social distancing for hands-on programs (community technical college)
Deanna MKR
45:54
@Carl: it definitely has
Carl Badenhorst
47:10
How do you get educators and students to realise that you simply don’t mimic a face-to-face class in a webinar?
Deanna MKR
48:07
Great question Carl. One I've had for a long time.
Daniel Miller
48:12
@Carl it definitely requires some unlearning
Jim Luke
48:32
Hmm, thinking back to my student days in econ, I found a strong relationship between calculus and well-being - BUT it was an inverse relationship. LOL.
deborahhaines
49:25
yes i remember
laura harste
49:34
Stephanie, Consider how a course CAN be done online. There is clearly some labwork that can not be done easily online. I don't want to see a phlebotomist who did not learn their skill with hands on, but we also have students dissecting from home using video. You can do a lot!
Heather @ Worsham College
49:41
Yes. Taking time for collective grief
David Westenberg
49:48
Yes. Using any separate means of simple social interaction such as WhatsApp or GroupMe is very helpful. Sharing with students seems very helpful.
Derek Snyder
49:54
I have found that we need to shift the paradigm of having “students reach out to us” to “us reaching out to students”. We probably need to shift the paradigm from office hours to outreach hours. Proactively conferencing with students rather than waiting for students to visit us during office hours. This can allow us to better encourage the whole students and can even result in higher achievement with the learning objectives (and beyond).
Rolando Mendez
50:15
Outreach hours, I like that
deborahhaines
50:28
me too outreach hours!
David Westenberg
50:30
I call my "office hours" "student hours"
Angela Gunder (she/her/hers)
50:42
@David - I love that
Angela Gunder (she/her/hers)
50:49
Making it all about the students
Suzanne Szucs
51:06
Outreach hours is a really great way to present to faculty who are resistant to a new paradigm.
Deanna MKR
51:08
@Derek: good point. Having regular student check ins, not just about classes, but how they r doing in general, goes a long way
David Westenberg
51:31
Some students think office hours are when we should not be bothered.
Kim Mishkind
51:33
@David - just changed my syllabus to "student hours"!
Angela Gunder (she/her/hers)
51:48
@Kim - fantastic!
Rolando Mendez
51:53
@Deanna but how can you get them to understand that caring about students is part of our job as faculty?!
Maryasha Katz
51:59
Living in Minneapolis, I would say that between a pandemic and police shootings, it was IMPERATIVE that we made time in class to check in.
wvelez-torres
52:11
Many of our students told us they would have wanted a check in from their professors. They stated they felt isolated
ldouma
52:21
How would you apply these concepts to larger courses? Like 300 students/section.
wvelez-torres
52:32
they wanted the check ins not be just a check in about when their assignments were due.
Deanna MKR
52:43
@Rolando: I think that's a disconnect. It's like trying to instaill specific work ethics in emplyess
Tara Brackman
52:43
I love that. Outreach hours.
Deanna MKR
52:47
employees
Cheryl Fulghum
52:59
Groups or cohorts?
Kim Mishkind
53:04
I cannot tell you how many times a student walked into my office and said "I'm sorry to bother you..."
Maryasha Katz
53:20
Agreed! Breaking them into small groups to do check ins have worked well.
Derek Snyder
53:21
One of the positive aspects of the pandemic is a shift into a greater level of comfort (for both faculty and students) of conferencing with students via Zoom.
Carl Badenhorst
53:52
I love the student outreach idea. I always encourage educators to personally message students throughout the course and just ask how they are doing.
Deanna MKR
55:02
Professional development for faculty should include reaching out to students and seeing how they are doing, in general, not just in class. Show students that they matter.
Rolando Mendez
55:05
Perhaps this is because we sometimes take for granted the power / impact / transcendence we have / can make as educators? Is it because we are more focused on outcomes, grades, etc., than on the process?
Franny French
56:11
I would ask how a teacher can be there for students if they're going through their own trauma/worry/etc. How do you handle that?
Suzanne Szucs
56:41
My language shift has been “How can I help you be successful?” Or when I ask them to have a personal meeting I’ll preference it with the statement “this conversation is about how I can help you be successful.” This seems to have resonated very well with my students, esp as the college emphasizes “student success” language.
Rolando Mendez
56:57
Isn’t uninventing actually reverse inventing? XD
Ramez Habib
57:00
Hello Dr. Maha :))what about those of faculty who have been giving the same material for several years now (say +30 for example)?The course becomes super systematic and there might be even no proper common ground (communication between both the students and the professor).
laura harste
57:08
Our LMS actually makes it almost too easy to reach out to students who slip with their work. For people who know how to use the tools, they have fabulous interaction. Technology can help!
Deanna MKR
57:20
I would hope that campuses have resources for all who are going through their own issues. But I have found that helping and caring for others does take you out of your own 'stuff.'
Renee Petrina (she/her)
58:34
I have to step out a bit early for a work meeting. I am so sorry to miss the rest. Thank you, Maha, for being so generous with your time.
Rolando Mendez
58:40
It happens more often than we would like to
Daniel Miller
58:49
What about required updates/revisions?
Heather @ Worsham College
59:31
1000%
Rolando Mendez
59:45
Insert “praise” hands here
Jim Luke
59:47
Yes Laura Harste, that's a prob IMO. The LMS & school where I work is all geared to reach out to studs not keeping up or not completing work - but that may not be the best or only indicator of who is struggling and needs care. Often I've found, esp in the pandemic, that it was studs who were "keeping up" that really needed a human to reach out to them and care.
David Westenberg
01:00:01
Campus mental well-being resources are also for faculty but most think they are only for students.
Carl Badenhorst
01:00:14
@Suzanne I like your shift to student success language.
Deanna MKR
01:00:27
@David: yep
Lily Pitt
01:00:42
Thank you Haha, I read your blog and your article about Cheating. It’s super helpful. I agree with you for allocating time during the beginning of the zoom class to chat with students.
Derek Snyder
01:01:55
We often talk about professional development related to pedagogy, but we can forget about professional development in better understanding our student population. How well do faculty know their students? Knowing your students seems paramount to pedagogical improvement.
laura harste
01:01:57
Jim Luke, I agree, but it can start. I find many use whatever email I last sent when they have a concern. One student keeps using the message where I wrote her up for cheating to discuss happier concerns. She is now one of my As!
David Westenberg
01:02:05
In my conversations with students they express concern that there is no mechanism to ensure faculty who do a poor job of teaching to at least try to make improvements. They can only be encouraged to try but as long as they are productive at research they get away with it.
David Westenberg
01:04:33
I'm more concerned about the faculty who just don't care about teaching.
Jim Luke
01:04:49
Laura Harste, yes. I agree it's a start.
Rolando Mendez
01:04:50
David there are problems embedded in higher ed culture
Rolando Mendez
01:05:30
*these
George Station
01:06:07
For @Derek Snyder, there’s a lot of research under “culturally responsive teaching” and “culturally relevant pedagogy”— and our centers for teaching excellence (on my campus Center for Teaching, Learning, & Assessment) can help with PD on these concepts
(OLC) Amy Schoenrock
01:06:19
Not to halt the conversation, but wanted to share the session evaluation link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdYF5GwczFWqemgZM_s0R0k3EurmMysomIzxsALTuv1mJG-EA/viewform?entry.1952643545&entry.1303143111&entry.1961758182=9381&entry.598587566&entry.965164067&entry.1431947991=8032
laura harste
01:06:28
David Westenberg, we have many students complain about profs, but then write good evaluations because they are afraid it will effect their grade. We need to build more trust in those
Billie Lunt
01:06:47
teaching squares - helps to open our minds up to others doing great things in the classroom
Matt Crosslin
01:06:51
BTW - if anyone is interested, next week we will present our research on implementing pathways and options for learners in History courses - a good way to see teachers doing something different with teaching.
Rolando Mendez
01:06:58
Because we are using evaluation processes as compliance processes!
Rolando Mendez
01:07:02
Not as improvement processes
Maha Bali
01:07:07
compliance again :((
Rolando Mendez
01:07:14
I know.
laura harste
01:07:21
agreed!
David Westenberg
01:07:24
A lot of students tell me they don't do evaluations because they think most faculty don't even read them - some faculty even tell them that.
Rolando Mendez
01:07:31
And sometimes compliance is dressed up as “quality assurance"
Maha Bali
01:07:37
OpenAIR
Maha Bali
01:07:59
Decolonize LA (Paul Prinsloo)
Matt Crosslin
01:08:03
https://onlinelearningconsortium.org/olc-innovate-2020-session-page/?session=8310&kwds=
Derek Snyder
01:08:05
@George: Thank you. I would be interested in resources. I teach on the island of Maui, and our cultural context is highly different than many institutions we turn to as exemplars.
David Westenberg
01:08:39
We are working on changing end of course evaluations and incorporating peer evaluation.
Deanna MKR
01:08:52
@Derek: we should talk later to see how this can be implemented here at UHMC. Especially in this current enviro, so important
Shi, Tianhong
01:09:09
https://opendistanceteachingandlearning.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/decolonising-the-collection-analyses-and-use-of-student-data-a-tentative-explorationproposal/
Derek Snyder
01:09:41
@Deanna: Yes.
Nate Angell
01:10:34
https://openair.africa/
Matt Crosslin
01:11:28
Once I get out my current position where I have to be nice about LA, I need to write a tell-all about the problems in LA... :)
George Station
01:12:09
@Derek, I hear you, as a visitor to Maui a couple of times a year. Our campus (CSU Monterey Bay) has had progress with the work of Zaretta Hammond, her book & guidelines, though it is heavy into K12: https://crtandthebrain.com
Derek Snyder
01:13:11
@George: Thank you
Heather @ Worsham College
01:13:17
Kindred spirits become mentors, colleagues, friends, partners!
George Station
01:13:17
Maybe Christine Sleeter’s work for culturally relevant pedagogy. She’s retired but still active & publishing
Rolando Mendez
01:13:26
On Slack!
Lara Tompkins
01:13:46
💯 Heather!
Nate Angell
01:13:58
There’s also this little org called http://virtuallyconnecting.org/ that works to foster human connections alongside/within “official” events.
Yvonne Johnson
01:14:52
Thank you!
Maha Bali
01:14:59
audio was breaking up
Heather @ Worsham College
01:15:04
Thank you! This is great!!
David Westenberg
01:15:06
Thank you. Great conversation!
Donna Love
01:15:14
Thank you!
Maha Bali
01:15:17
thank you everyone
Nate Angell
01:15:19
If you don’t know VC, connect with us…we’ve struggled to do a lot of extra things during the pandemic, but please tune in to VC and get involved.
Kristi Swartz
01:15:29
Thank YOU!!!
Maha Bali
01:15:29
I would have so loved to talk to you all individually... sorry I kinda lectured at you :(
Jala
01:15:32
Thank you, Maha! Love listening to this deep and inspiring conversation.
Maha Bali
01:15:34
will go back to the chat and read it!
Kim Mishkind
01:15:34
Thanks, great conversation!
Molly, O'Donnell Learn
01:15:43
Thank you Maha, Nate, and OLC! :)
Derek Snyder
01:15:56
Thank you Maha and Nate.
Maha Bali
01:16:08
thank you all!
Carl Badenhorst
01:16:10
Thank you! This was amazing
Cheryl Fulghum
01:16:13
Virtual fist bumps!
Sharon
01:16:13
Thank you!
deborahhaines
01:16:24
thank you all!
Nate Angell
01:16:27
Thank you all and if I didn’t get a chance to voice your question, I’m so sorry. Can we continue the conversation on Twitter? Maha: @bali_maha and me: @xolotl
Dr. Deborah "Dr. DJ" Johnson-Blake
01:16:32
Thank you!
Maha Bali
01:16:36
YES Twitter :)
Jill Schweitzer
01:16:36
Thanks!
Maha Bali
01:16:37
or Slack
Stephanie Douglass
01:16:39
thank you!
Matt Crosslin
01:16:42
Great session! Thank you!
Rosa Medina Riveros
01:16:45
Great session!
moses.omuya
01:16:45
Thanka