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Writing the Ride - Shared screen with speaker view
Julia
37:03
I have a question
Paul Jones
38:47
Hi Julia, fire away
Paul Jones
39:06
on here, then we can pick up in a bit?
Paul Jones
41:46
This book sounds amazing; I am really excited.
Shabana A
43:01
Hello, if its okay, can the speakers share their book urls at the end? I’d love to read more about cycling culture 👍
Melanie Chalder
43:34
Great idea! I'll make sure that we try to do that
Paul Jones
43:37
Sounds good! Maybe Martin could collate a list.
Dr Marlon Moncrieffe
47:36
Here is my article written in August about a notion of anti-blackness in pro cycling
Dr Marlon Moncrieffe
47:42
https://theconversation.com/tour-de-france-2020-facing-up-to-professional-cyclings-history-of-anti-blackness-142092
Melanie Chalder
48:28
Thanks Marlon - great to share that
Paul Jones
53:33
Storysmith is my local bookshop and in these straightened times I'd like to give them a push!
Paul Jones
53:35
https://storysmithbooks.com/product/i-like-alf-14-lessons-from-the-life-of-alf-engers-paul-jones/
Paul Jones
54:12
and this is the super super niche one: https://storysmithbooks.com/product/corinthian-endeavour-the-story-of-the-national-hill-climb-championship-paul-m-jones/
Melanie Chalder
54:56
Brilliant stuff Paul - thank you
Phil Lynch
55:43
Great article Marlon - thanks for sharing. I’m struck by the fact that, despite cycling giving one such a sense of freedom and possibility, and despite its fairly egalitarian and working class routes, at the World Tour level it continues to lack such diversity and teams have, for the most part, failed to use their platform to advance progressive social causes.
Phil Lynch
56:16
*roots*
Paul Jones
56:26
nail on the head there Phil - a paradox and a half
Paul Jones
58:10
here's an article if people are interested I wrote about bike racing, the fight for gender parity and the unreal challenges of this season: https://traumfahrrad.com/2020/10/27/the-national-hill-climb-2020-streatley/
Clara
01:00:24
Thank you, Isabel! Was really looking forward to hear from you.
Dr Marlon Moncrieffe
01:03:21
https://twitter.com/blackchampions_/status/1323231103788994560?s=21
Ian Walker
01:03:51
Self-promotion! Details of my book are here: http://drianwalker.com/circles
Phil Lynch
01:04:19
Thanks Ian. I love the idea of cycling as meditative and heightening senses. It reminds me of a line in a poem about the joy of hiking to the effect that event the worst red wine tastes amazing from a chipped enamel mug when you’re sitting around a campfire.
Alice T
01:06:06
Back in the Frame by Jools Walker is great and isn’t wo/man wins race 👍
Judith-SWALLOW
01:06:18
Isabell, Did you notice a difference over the decades in how the women you studied got into cycling?
Julian
01:06:47
Hi, a question for all. While there is now so much fascinating non-fiction about cycling in all its forms, why is there so little powerful fiction inspired by the bike? What does that say about the culture?
Dr Marlon Moncrieffe
01:07:41
it is a privilege to compete
Judith-SWALLOW
01:09:44
Randonneuring / audax would be the closest to non competitive timed events with no winners - completing on time is the success. I've ridden 150,000km of these events including 25 1200km plus events. It would be very difficult to write a book about this.
Paul Jones
01:09:58
i think there is a good book in the audax world
Phil Lynch
01:10:58
Maybe it’s because there’s so much drama in cycling that there’s no need to fictionalise it!
Julia
01:11:14
I wonder if there are more fiction books about cycling originally written in Dutch... where riding a bike is more normalised...
Paul Jones
01:11:20
possibly
Paul Jones
01:11:34
although i thought the Ventoux book wasn't a good book
Martin Hurcombe
01:11:35
There are quite a few French novels on cycling. And a play
Clara
01:11:46
Question for Marlon and Isabel: When you’re doing research, how do you not become overwhelmed with organisation. framing, even the scope of it? It’s something I struggle with!
Judith-SWALLOW
01:12:58
American flyers is the other film
Clara
01:15:43
(This question can be for all the authors! Didn’t mean to exclude, just heard Isabel and Marlon talk about their research earlier!)
Paul Jones
01:20:41
Wanted to say - re: "man wins race" - i think my books are more "man and woman wins race, but a lot happens and the race becomes secondary to that" but you might have to take my word for that. the new book goes into stories from Petronella, Eileen Gray, Janet Tebbutt, their lives and background, it's about the journey more than anything else, the topography, place, people.
Clara
01:21:20
That is so helpful to hear, thanks Marlon.
Paul Jones
01:21:40
Petronella is an amazing figure - if you're not familiar then google her, there are amazing pictures in the Warwick collection.
Martin Hurcombe
01:22:46
Any last questions?
Paul Jones
01:22:48
https://warwick.ac.uk/services/library/mrc/archives_online/digital/nca/tours/petronella/
Ian Walker
01:23:03
My own answer to "man wins race" is twofold. First, I don't really agree with the premise - I first got interested ii cycling thanks to non-sporty books about exploration: Josie Dew, Dervla Murphy et al. That said, I do kind of understand why people are drawn to sport for narratives. The need to be the BEST at something sharpens things; it provides a clear and easy motivation that everybody can instantly understand. It's not surprising that people are keen to work within that sphere
Phil Lynch
01:23:48
with the proliferation of social media, the need for instant gratification, and the widespread availability of video, is it becoming more difficult to write about cycling, particularly in longer form? is the market growing or shrinking for cycling writing?
Julia
01:23:53
Ian, thank you!
RAPID RICH
01:25:23
Can I ask to all ….do you think that writers and journalists have any duty to include and promote Women in cycling and Women’s equality ?
Julian
01:25:36
Hi All, Lucy here on Julian's pc. Q for Ian. Liked what you said about mediative aspect of the ultra distance. But just wondering if you made any notes - mental or otherwise - during or shortly after the events?
Ian Walker
01:26:39
Julian: no, I didn't. When racing, I'd struggle to let muself take the time to do that! The nearest I got was in my last cross-European ride when I made video diaries during scheduled breaks
Paul Jones
01:26:47
Replying to Rich - unambiguously, absolutely - I think our responsibility is to ask ourselves - am i marginalising a key element of this story?
Ian Walker
01:27:01
(Those video diaries proved REALLY useful when I later came to write about the experrience)
Paul Jones
01:27:24
and re: Ian - and the writing - i totally get that. i take a notebook and it ends up with about three sentences in it
RAPID RICH
01:28:20
like to hear from the others
RAPID RICH
01:28:29
ha .. sorry typed slow
Alice T
01:28:59
Hey Martin- can we talk about Rich’s question? I’m keen to hear what the panel have to say too
Martin Hurcombe
01:29:13
Over to you next, Rich
RAPID RICH
01:29:21
k
Melanie Chalder
01:31:21
Just about 10 minutes left everyone, so do please post your ideas and questions if you still have some to share
Alice T
01:31:56
what’s the book you’ve not written yet that you’d love to write ✍️? if you’re allowed to say!
Phil Lynch
01:33:53
Why are cyclists seemingly afraid to speak out on issues, from drugs to BLM? Is it omertà, is it that the conformity of the peloton, is it the fact that so many major sponors (UAE, Bahrain, Ineos etc) are pretty regressive on issues like women’s rights and climate change?
Julia
01:34:39
Isabel, never apologise for talking too much!
iPad
01:34:40
Isn’t female participation in all forms of cycling lower in the UK not just sport?
Hughes, Leanne
01:34:51
I don't see mens events as the pinnacle. I'm more interested in events I could aspire to.
Phil Lynch
01:34:55
And does that lack of willingness to speak out make writing on these topics difficult?
Julia
01:37:15
In Ultra racing the women often beat the men (Sarah Hammond, Lael Wilcox, FIona Kolbinger)
Judith-SWALLOW
01:37:36
Yes to less female participation in cycling. This year we had two months to complete a specific AUK challenge of four rides from 200km to 600km. 3 women completed, about 100 men did.
iPad
01:38:16
Great event btw. Are there plans for future online discussions which are similar......
Martin Hurcombe
01:38:32
Happy to put on more!
Julia
01:39:04
Martin, can we offer suggestions for other Authors to include too ?
Richard Boddie
01:39:08
More events please!!
Hughes, Leanne
01:39:37
great question!
Julian
01:40:02
Loved the event - made a great evening! Thanks to everyone.
Martin Hurcombe
01:40:16
You're welcome
Julia
01:40:18
Ian, Emily's "what goes around" got me into cycling...
Ian Walker
01:40:49
Julia: interesting, especially as that one wasn't the sporty one
Alice T
01:40:56
Julia - incredible performances but ultra racing is a different beast! back analysis of time trial data from the UK recently hasn’t yet turned up a women’s outright win in an open event- on average around 10% slower on time per position - hence why we desperately need and deserve coverage of the women’s field, events, results
Paul Jones
01:41:03
"what goes around" is a book i give to people
iPad
01:41:10
There’s a great story about Audax riders or an event begging to be written....
Hughes, Leanne
01:41:41
I want to read that book Marion.
Melanie Chalder
01:42:11
It's been a fun evening - thanks to Paul, Marlon, Ian and Isabel for getting underway and the rest of the group for taking up the challenge and being so enthusiastic!
Paul Jones
01:42:26
thank you everyone!
Phil Lynch
01:43:08
How many of you write as your main job and source of income?
Martin Hurcombe
01:43:53
We're all going Paul's book just to see p. 4y6.
iPad
01:45:15
I’ve ordered A Corinthian Endeavour, just so Paul can pay the bills !
Paul Jones
01:45:38
my children will be able to eat tonight!
iPad
01:46:06
Can authors recommend a book each I should read (not one of theirs !)
ianwatson
01:46:28
Question for Paul your mum says what would you like for christmas
Judith-SWALLOW
01:46:34
Paul - book on rando / audax. Needs to be written by someone not the rider as the rider is usually too busy riding chasing crazy goals and hasn't got the perspective or insight. The two Beryl books are a good example of this.
Dr Marlon Moncrieffe
01:47:01
Ned B - On the road bike. good fun
Paul Jones
01:47:03
I think that you won't have to wait too long for a rando book...
Julia
01:47:22
"bikes and Bloomers" by Kat Junknickel - on how cycling changed womens fashion
Julia
01:47:27
and liberated women...
RAPID RICH
01:47:37
thank you to everyone … very interesting. Thanks for your time. Paul, cant wait to see page 46 !
Clara
01:47:42
Thank you so much! I’m inspired!
Paul Jones
01:47:51
it's been a joy!
Phil Lynch
01:47:55
Thanks so much all for a really insightful and entertaining evening.
ianwatson
01:48:07
great evening thank you
Alice T
01:48:12
thank you so much
Alice T
01:48:17
you’re an inspiring bunch of people!
Paul Jones
01:48:19
Mum - just the usual M+S vouchers
Judith-SWALLOW
01:48:26
Thanks - a great evening
Julia
01:48:29
can you include the panels social media accounts in the email please
Jonathan Ervine
01:48:33
Thank you so much to everyone involved in this event, absolutely fascinating!
Ian Walker
01:48:45
Julia: @ianwalker on Twitter for me
Julia
01:49:01
Ian, I follow you already!
Ian Walker
01:49:05
:)